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@Link_HT posted...

Most of you guys are too young to remember this but GT was actually well liked when it came out. Yeah, I know it sounds crazy but it's absolutely true.

Same thing is happening now, plenty of people with absolute dogshit taste saying super is actually good when it has no redeeming qualities at all.

Too young? wtf GT is fairly recent.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

good buu is a stupid character
he is a dumb baby and can't really add much

Can't add much? Bruh Buu is still OP as shit
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Wait, why wasn't this used on Goku back in the Saiyan Saga? Hell, why wasn't Mafuba tried on the Saiyans? So many questions in hindsight

Because they used the Dragon Balls to resurrect him for good. And apparently you don't pay much attention, because that's exactly what they did at the beginning of the Buu saga.

I said Saiyan Saga, not Buu saga. If Mafuba works on anyone it should have worked on the Saiyans.

And they'd be better off just reviving Goku for the day the Saiyans arrived and wishing for something better, which is my point. Would have made it easier and a lot faster than Goku having to take his sweet ass time bypassing Snake Way again.
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Kineth posted...

If you guys don't like Super, why do you keep up with it?

In other news, I like Super.

For shits and giggles. I watch it like a comedy more than anything else. Fucking up consistency one episode at a time. And the reactions from salty fans are the best.

Ah the "it's so bad it's good" logic.

Basically. Plus while not consistent and if it lacks everything else, the action feels mostly true to Z.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Has Frieza been revived more than Goku now?

Technically only twice, but if you count Mecha Frieza as a time it's been three, so kind of?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

wouldn't Cell have to eat 17 and 18 to be strong enough?

that is likely why no Cell

I'd expect him to still be in Perfect Form. That's how most material has presented him in hell (I forget if they showed him in the manga as well).

And if 17 can asspull a power boost to near god levels, then so can Cell
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Wedge Antilles posted...

People keep saying to pick Cell instead but I struggle to see 17 still participating if he does. 17 was hesitant enough as is.

I mean, you have Vegeta who literally hates Frieza's guts and was thrilled to kill him again in RoF, Gohan who was tortured by Frieza, and Krillin who was stabbed then exploded from the inside out by Frieza, and Piccolo who was not only tossed around by Frieza but he has Nail's memories as well who Frieza also trashed.

So yeah, if they can take it, 17 can too.
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Artillatron8 posted...

How are they going to explain frieza coming back to life this time?

Apparently Baba (Roshi's sister) can bring dead people back to the land of the living using a day pass like how she did for Grandpa Gohan.

Wait, why wasn't this used on Goku back in the Saiyan Saga? Hell, why wasn't Mafuba tried on the Saiyans? So many questions in hindsight
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Blue Inigo is a DBS fanboy, so expect some pretentiousness and him taking up for Toei's shit decisions no matter what.
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IF Frieza had to come back, the team should have been:

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Majin Buu
4. Gohan
5. Piccolo
6. Frieza
7. Future Trunks
8. Android 17 with asspull SSJB level power jump
9. Krillin (for muh nostalgia)
10. Cell or Dabura or Goten or Gotenks or anyone who isn't fucking Roshi
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Kineth posted...

If you guys don't like Super, why do you keep up with it?

In other news, I like Super.

For shits and giggles. I watch it like a comedy more than anything else. Fucking up consistency one episode at a time. And the reactions from salty fans are the best.
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https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/861397813036433408/photo/1

...It's Frieza. Crazy, not sure if this is a good or a bad thing, but it's pretty surprising. Should have brought back Cell instead tbh
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I was hoping for Monday.

+1

I forgot I signed up for this game until I got the notification today, but this^^^ lol
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Ampelas posted...

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ZMythos posted...

Trump is 20 years older than his wife

Apparently it's different when it's the male who's older for some arbitrary reason

"Arbitrary reason"

Is there a valid reason I'm unaware of? Or were you just emphasizing that the reason is arbitrary and petty?

Cause it's gross?

Lololol, Gojak, who's admitted to never having been with a woman saying it's gross to go older. Truly a case of beggars being choosers

lmao CHILL bro lol. Straight call out. damn.
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Wait, the lack of Goat invalidates this list. Whew!
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Just get it on PC
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whitelytning posted...

Is it this TragicDonut guy that has the thread on that other site today?

I don't know who MagicDonut is or if that is him. Just re-read the TOS too, I'm not sure how posting a user name on another site that may or may not belong to a user here could possibly be modable so long as it doesn't flame, or contain obscene or some other kind of bad language.

Wow, you must be new to CE. MagicDonut was a legend bruh
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Solar_Crimson posted...

http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Archie_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Issue_257

Just barely beat me. I was about to say TC is talking out of his ass. Sonic's shoes aren't even right:

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/SonicForces-2.jpg
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Source tc? Because it looks like fanart
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Blue_Inigo posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Honestly Smash Bros got so awful that now they might be able to finally compete with it

That's quite the shitpost

Fanboys be fanboys

And ignorant clowns be ignorant clowns

To be fair, you do come across as a Nintendo fanboy, so while you're wrong, he's pretty much right on the mark.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

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barnnn posted...

It's weird that the first game didn't get Cloud, considering FFVII was one of the biggest titles on PS1.

Greedy ass SE kept pushing for Lightning for advertisement purposes. Then she got cut all together once Sony jumped ship early and laid off Superbot.

The whole thing was done for marketing purposes and not because there was any actual creative spark so it doesn't surprise me that they'd leave out Cloud.

As much as I love the game, I can't say that you're wrong. Hopefully this one is different.
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barnnn posted...

It's weird that the first game didn't get Cloud, considering FFVII was one of the biggest titles on PS1.

Greedy ass SE kept pushing for Lightning for advertisement purposes. Then she got cut all together once Sony jumped ship early and laid off Superbot.
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I posted this on the other board:
Terra-enforcer posted...

I legit screamed out loud when reading this. Very few surprise reveals can get me like this. I would give so damn much for this to be real. PLEASE be real.

Apparently the same leaker leakedthe following list:
Chairstood posted...

God of War 4
Spiderman PS4
Resident Evil 7
Red Dead Redemption 2
Crash Bandicoot in Skylanders
Crash Bandicoot PS4 (which we now know as the N-Sane Trilogy)
Playstation Allstars 2
Sly Cooper 5
Devil May Cry 5

6 for 9, and DmC has been heavily rumored. Hype?
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GODTIER posted...

it doesnt count unless you @ them all

You could only @ 10 people in one post. Sounds like a pain in the ass.
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I'm in Georgia. Peace out my California cucks

EDIT: Didn't put together the size of Montreal part when readint the title lol
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when you on CE eryday an' u ain't on the list

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Civil War is overrated as fuck.
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I'll sign up
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Dragonblade01 posted...

VOEZ is a fantastic music game wtf you talkin about?

Not to mention that the Switch version of it is a far better deal than the barebones "free" version on iOS/Android.

The ios version really isn't all that barebones at all. For a game you probably won't play for hours at a time, it's pretty damn good on mobile, which is why I opted out of getting the Switch version (for now at least).
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@the_rowan posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Once more, EVEN BY COMPARISON TO OTHER LAUNCHES SWITCH IS LACKING. Period. There isn't even any arguing this, and to make matters worse, May and June look even shittier. And based on your logic, if games aren't announced two months before release, then that means after the abysmal May where the only two releases are multiple year old ports, June has two games, and July has a whopping ONE GAME being released. So half a year after launch, it still barely has anything to offer. Now you see my point.

Bullshit. Switch had Zelda, Fast RMX, and Voez as definitive versions on day one, plus Binding of Isaac, World of Goo, and a bunch of other ports for people who hadn't played them within the first month. It's got a major first party title coming for each of the next several months. That's already better than the PS4 and One by miles.

For you maybe, hell even I'd agree for myself personally, but you're lying if you think most gamers would take a bunch of small indie games plus Zelda over Assassin's Creed, Injustice, Need for Speed, CoD, Tomb Raider, etc.
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@Darmik posted...

Wii U had the quantity and did that matter? Nope. The ports were worse than consoles people already owned and the exclusives weren't compelling. I'd say it had the worse line-up. Which is proven by the general apathy and low sales of all of these games outside of Nintendoland and NSMBU.

Once again you bring up your incredibly bias opinion and sales again, so moot point. Completely irrelevant to this discussion as well.

Darmik posted...

As I have always said unless you're a hardcore gamer who plays lots of games or you really love a specific game that will last you it's a bad idea to jump in early for a console. Xbox One had a better first year line-up than the PS4 but look at it now. It's basically missing an entire demographic of games that it used to get on the 360.

So you admit it has a pretty bad line up of games right now? And no you're wrong again. We keep going in circles on this shit because you keep ignoring my points. Even in comparison to the other consoles this can be seen as pretty bad. Three notable retail games by month three is incredibly shitty no matter how you slice it. It's not that all console launches are bad, this one is particularly bad by comparison which I've been saying since the beginning.

As I also said above,
Terra-enforcer posted...

to make matters worse, May and June look even shittier. And based on your logic, if games aren't announced two months before release, then that means after the abysmal May where the only two releases are multiple year old ports, June has two games, and July has a whopping ONE GAME being released. So half a year after launch, it still barely has anything to offer. Now you see my point.

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@Darmik posted...

If you think these launches were amazing in comparison all the power to you.

That was neither said, nor even remotely implied. Sounds pretty dumb for you to say that when nothing close to that was stated.

Darmik posted...

I wasn't even trying to make it into some competition. My point was that the first year of a console is generally pretty bad. When it comes to both quality and quantity the Xbox One probably had the best first year line-up this generation so far.

And for the twentieth time (lol), the problem with the Switch more than ever is the lack of games EVEN BY COMPARISON TO OTHER LAUNCHES. Like come on man. You seriously can't be this daft, can you? Sounds like you're just arguing to just argue at this point without a legitimate point to make. This is just like I said, you keep going in circles so much I can just continue quoting myself in response to you because you keep just making excuses and dodging points.

Once more, EVEN BY COMPARISON TO OTHER LAUNCHES SWITCH IS LACKING. Period. There isn't even any arguing this, and to make matters worse, May and June look even shittier. And based on your logic, if games aren't announced two months before release, then that means after the abysmal May where the only two releases are multiple year old ports, June has two games, and July has a whopping ONE GAME being released. So half a year after launch, it still barely has anything to offer. Now you see my point.
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TheGoldenEel posted...

jeez how many switch shill topics are you gonna make

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Darmik posted...

Yeah and? 2 months into the PS4 launch people were still getting disconnected from Battlefield 4 and that was the highlight of the console at this point.

I don't get what the heck it is with you and bringing up completely irrelevant points. Like could you even attempt to stay on topic? You're acting like one of those kids who knows he's wrong and tries to toss blame at someone else or asspull some excuse to divert attention away from him. I don't know how the hell that's even relevant when the argument was about GAMES. You're trying too hard right now.



Darmik posted...

And near enough all of those games were disappointments because they were early/crossgen crap. 2014 was an awful year because of this.

Moot point at best. Re: post above where I said your bias doesn't mean shit and does nothing at all to further your argument whatsoever. Literally EVERYTHING I said in that part of my post that you quoted still stands.

Darmik posted...

Well you know what it's called when you assume. Which definitely would count if you apparently throw $300 down on a console and apparently are unwilling to play the majority of its library.

Completely irrelevant. And a majority of what very little it has to offer. Hence this topic.


Personally, as I stated twice before, I'm fine with what the Switch has to offer as it matches with my personal tastes. Hell, I bought a second Switch, so clearly I'm a fan of the console. But outside of myself, I can clearly see that the console is lacking. I'm not sure if you're just arguing to argue or what, but you seriously look pretty silly if you can't even admit that much. Instead of admitting it you just continue to asspull excuses. This argument keeps going in circles because you're intentionally ignoring my points, continuously backtracking, and dodging whilst bringing up irrelevant bs.

Even the 3DS and PS4 had a lot more to offer, while the Switch does not have much. Period. Not sure why you insist on talking out of your ass as opposed to just admitting that you were wrong when you very clearly are.
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Darmik posted...

I never said they were bad. I just said what it was. AC4 was way better than Killzone.

Did you not even know what you yourself posted? You said it took until mid 2015 for it to be worth anything, so what I said is a response to that as well.

Darmik posted...

It wasn't just me who discounted the launch library for Wii U. Most people did. Zelda and MK8 have done more than anything released in the first year for Wii U.

Your PS4 and Switch comparison isn't making sense anymore. They both are selling/sold great so clearly they both offered something for people. Personally I wouldn't say either were inundated with a great number of quality games and I stick by not having a launch console as your only platform for a year.

We aren't arguing the success of the console. This is concerning what it has to offer for people, and the answer is very clearly "not much." That is my point. The PS4 comparison makes perfect sense. The argument was initially concerning games and the worth of the console, and as I've reiterated almost too many times now, the PS4 has a larger quantity and variety of games, while the Switch is very clearly lacking.

People bought the console for Zelda and Mario, congrats. TC's point still stands. What's next?

Darmik posted...

Some people would expect a game to be announced AND RELEASED within two months? That aren't indie games? Err...

Nintendo has done it multiple times before. So you sound kinda silly playing dumb when literally this very company has done that multiple times before, especially with virtual console which many expected by now as well.
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Darmik posted...

Well he threw it in the garbage apparently.

Terra-enforcer posted...

And what of the people who do buy the console year one such as TC?

Not just TC. Anyone else in his position.

Darmik posted...

Yeah I owned a 3DS which just had Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars for the first few months. Oh wait there was also a N64 port released a couple of months later. That was so bad I ended up selling it and didn't buy a 3DS again until Pokémon Y came out. That was completely my fault for not doing the proper research too.

I owned a PS4 and got it with Killzone: Shadowfall which is easily the worst FPS game I've played in the last 5 years and Assassin's Creed: Black Flag which was a last gen port. Then there was basically nothing for months. It took until mid 2015 for the PS4 to actually be worth anything.

Wii U had a bunch of late ports that no one was interested in because people already played them years before. Having 20 titles doesn't mean crap if people don't want to play them. That's the biggest difference between the Switch launch and the Wii U launch. People actually wanted to buy a platform to play Zelda. People didn't want to buy a Wii U for NSMB, Nintendoland and Batman Arkham City.

It's not a defense for anything. If you want a console at launch you need to do your proper research if it lives up to your standards.

Blame yourself for not looking into the other games that were out at the time. That's both a poor excuse and terrible argument. And if you want to talk down last gen ports, then the Switch has almost nothing at all to offer whatsoever. Maybe one or two indies aren't ports and that's about it. According to you last gen ports are bad, so I don't know why the hell you bring up Zelda.

And the way you frame your argument is hilariously dumb. You elevate the Switch's two or three games, but apparently you can discount all 20 Wii U games "just cuz." Just because YOU didn't like them, that doesn't mean shit and does nothing to further your argument. Same for the PS4. You can't blame a console for your specific tastes not lining up with what it had to offer. At least they offered something for people. This console is undeniably lacking in that aspect for many core gamers.

Darmik posted...

If the only game on Switch that you want to play is Zelda and literally nothing else (whether that's MK8, indie games or ports) why would you even buy it? It's not even like anything was delayed so far either.

Some people could have expected more to be announced, or for games like ARMS to not be released four months after the console released, or they might not have expected straight up game droughts this early on. There's a number of reasons. If anything is a moot point, it's that excuse of yours yet again. You keep deferring to "first year is always bad" when that's straight up a poor argument for too many reasons.
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@Darmik

And what of the people who do buy the console year one such as TC?

Also, people can have realistic expectations and expect more than 3 notable games by the third month. Have YOU never had a console at launch? Obviously they're never breath taking, but expecting at least a few notable titles is pretty bare minimum expectation-wise. Hell, the Wii U had around 20 or 30 retail games at this point. Another big problem with the Switch is the lack of single player focused games. I'm assuming that's one of TC's issues with it, which is a completely viable complaint. There's not much excuse for that either. The quality right now is really high, but the quantity is much lower than it usually is, thus that's a big issue with the console. Even more so than other launch consoles.

Again, you look pretty silly with a lot of your excuses itt. The "general consumer" does not have many games at all to choose from, thus responses like TC's are legitimate.
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@Darmik posted...

Err I never once said this at all.

Darmik posted...

I can see people choosing the Switch over a PS4 thanks to it being portable.

Yes, yes you did.

Darmik posted...

You know TC always makes topics like this about Switch and Zelda right?

But regardless of whether he's trolling or not, that's just your assumption. It also does zero to take away from the principle. I've heard many others in TC's position as well. And even if that weren't the case, it's a pretty poor excuse in general to asspull some excuse for the console lacking games. This is especially lacking, and as I said before you backtracked, it's very telling when you try to list appealing games and half the games you list aren't even out yet. It's almost objectively lacking, and you look pretty silly trying to walk around that fact.

It boggles my mind how some people just can't admit that the console lacks games, when it very clearly does, which can be a problem for some like TC or others in his position.
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Darmik posted...

I doubt many gamers buy a console the first year it releases unless there's major game they want to play on it anyway. So it's all moot point really. First year is always for the die hards and the far majority of the time it isn't filled with a lot of great stuff.

What? It's not a moot point at all. Funny how quickly you went from "most people would probably prefer a Switch over a PS4" to "it's not like people will buy it now anyway." So which is it?

And it's also not a moot point when literally this entire topic was made because TC can't find anything worthwhile to play.
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Darmik posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Darmik posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Darmik posted...

I can see people choosing the Switch over a PS4 thanks to it being portable. I would buy Persona 5 today if it came out on the Switch but I'm waiting until I beat some of my PC and PS4 backlog.

That's about it though and who knows if there'll be enough ports to make that worthwhile.

Unless you just really have a hard on for Nintendo games, I'm not sure there's enough games for the general consumer. Being "portable" doesn't do jack if there's nothing to play on it. And I don't think portability is a real pull for a lot of gamers. Especially non-Nintendo gamers.

Honestly I think portability is a major reason why Switch has been a success and why Mario Kart 8 has sold so well.

Also the 'general consumer' barely buys any games. A lot of people buy a PS4 for GTAV and sports games.

But we aren't talking about the "general consumer" right now. TC and most people on this site aren't casuals who only buy one game every few months.

That's what I was responding too. Most people on this site would already own a PS4, Xbox One or PC already presumably.

Zelda, Mario Kart 8, ARMS, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey if a pretty broadly appealing line-up already. If they add Pokémon Stars and Smash Bros to this that's a crazy first year for mainstream gamers.

But it's very telling that your list is pretty meager and only half of those games are out right now. ARMS isn't even coming out for over a month from now. And if you're referring to people here, most people on this site are gamers, so they'll likely purchase a lot more than "just GTAV" or whatever lol. Hence why TC made this topic. This console is clearly lacking in the games department for a lot of core gamers.

As I said itt, I have plenty to play, but I realize that most of the games I have are indie or niche titles. I doubt many non-Nintendo oriented gamers would drop $300 on a console for two games
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Darmik posted...

I can see people choosing the Switch over a PS4 thanks to it being portable. I would buy Persona 5 today if it came out on the Switch but I'm waiting until I beat some of my PC and PS4 backlog.

That's about it though and who knows if there'll be enough ports to make that worthwhile.

Unless you just really have a hard on for Nintendo games, I'm not sure there's enough games for the general consumer. Being "portable" doesn't do jack if there's nothing to play on it. And I don't think portability is a real pull for a lot of gamers. Especially non-Nintendo gamers.

Honestly I think portability is a major reason why Switch has been a success and why Mario Kart 8 has sold so well.

Also the 'general consumer' barely buys any games. A lot of people buy a PS4 for GTAV and sports games.

But we aren't talking about the "general consumer" right now. TC and most people on this site aren't casuals who only buy one game every few months.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

@Darklit_Minuet posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

ManLink4321 posted...

Get all of the other games available for it.

Such as?

Disgaea 5 is an amazing game that will last you a few hundred hours

That's a port of a PS4 game.

And because it's on the Switch, I no longer have to buy a PS4. So it saved me a few hundred dollars

You're telling me that Disgaea 5 alone was your reason for buying a console, and that you'd rather pay more for a console with much less games just because it has that single game you want? Not buying it.

Disgaea 5 is my reason for not having to buy an inferior console.

Handhelds > consoles, therefore Switch > PS4

joke post im hoping
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Darmik posted...

I can see people choosing the Switch over a PS4 thanks to it being portable. I would buy Persona 5 today if it came out on the Switch but I'm waiting until I beat some of my PC and PS4 backlog.

That's about it though and who knows if there'll be enough ports to make that worthwhile.

Unless you just really have a hard on for Nintendo games, I'm not sure there's enough games for the general consumer. Being "portable" doesn't do jack if there's nothing to play on it. And I don't think portability is a real pull for a lot of gamers. Especially non-Nintendo gamers.
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@Darklit_Minuet posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

ManLink4321 posted...

Get all of the other games available for it.

Such as?

Disgaea 5 is an amazing game that will last you a few hundred hours

That's a port of a PS4 game.

And because it's on the Switch, I no longer have to buy a PS4. So it saved me a few hundred dollars

You're telling me that Disgaea 5 alone was your reason for buying a console, and that you'd rather pay more for a console with much less games just because it has that single game you want? Not buying it.
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I'm personally playing Blaster Master's new DLC (makes the game feel completely different), MK8D online, Dosgaea 5 (imported), Puyo Puyo Tetris, and Binding of Isaac. Plenty to play rn imo
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