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| Topic | Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism |
| Antifar 08/13/17 3:57:40 PM #53 | I stand corrected, Ronald Reagan once said Nazi soldiers were victims every bit as much as Holocaust victims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitburg_controversy --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism |
| Antifar 08/13/17 3:48:21 PM #51 | I think our past presidents would not have hesitated to denounce these views (the way many current politicians are) given these circumstances. And in many cases, they'd be doing so through gritted teeth, or outright lying. But Trump's inability to bring himself to condemn it is nothing but cowardice, and I don't think it will pay off as a political decision either, given the reaction from many conservatives. George W. Bush was a monster. But he also understood that as president he had a responsibility to offer moral clarity in times of turmoil. Obama praised the police following the shooting in Dallas (and many other times besides). After a conflict between Neo-Nazis who killed a woman, and those who oppose them, Trump has sided with neither. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism |
| Antifar 08/13/17 3:38:06 PM #46 | UnfairRepresent posted... Trump denoucing Nazis won't benefit him at all and will just make the naysayers louder, meanwhile in a week the same naysayers will move on to the next thing to be mad about Should presidents respond to incidents like this through cold political calculus, or should they speak from a moral position? --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | If Trump refuses to condemn his voter base for all of last night, it'll escalate |
| Antifar 08/13/17 3:35:02 PM #30 | There's a sizable gap between the statement of Trump, denouncing violence "from many sides," and even the responses of his fellow Republicans. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/896483980857532416 https://twitter.com/SenCoryGardner/status/896472477844385792 https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/896509908383911936 https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=64ED6753-345F-4F64-9B64-2D8BDAE952B5 In comparison, Trump's statement is more equivocal, and softer on white supremacists. I think it's worth wondering why that is, particularly given Trump's past comments on "political correctness" and calling our enemies by name. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | If Trump refuses to condemn his voter base for all of last night, it'll escalate |
| Antifar 08/13/17 2:52:32 PM #6 | I don't think he has to go out and say "I denounce my voter base," but he should be clear that White Supremacism of the sort that fueled yesterday's events is toxic, and has no place in our society. His equivocation allows the white supremacists to shape their narrative, to pretend the other side was just as much at fault. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Senior WH official: "what about the leftist mob? Just as violent" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 2:46:11 PM #58 | The leftist mob yesterday was not "just as violent" as the Nazis they were protesting. To claim otherwise is to obscure truth in the service of a political point. It's the very political correctness I would expect conservatives to decry. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Senior WH official: "what about the leftist mob? Just as violent" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 2:23:01 PM #28 | There is no reason to believe "the leftist mob" was "just as violent" yesterday. Attempts to equivocate between white supremacists who killed a woman, and those resisting them, are bullshit. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Senior WH official: "what about the leftist mob? Just as violent" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 2:16:59 PM #14 | Tropicalwood posted... Didn't Antifa mow down a bunch of Antifa so he could pin it on conservatives yesterday. Not everything you read on 4chan is true. The driver is a registered Republican whose FB is loaded with Pepe memes. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism |
| Antifar 08/13/17 2:02:55 PM #7 | Blue_Dream87 posted... Isn't she Jewish or married a Jewish dude? Her husband, Jared Kushner, is Jewish, and I believe she converted after their marriage. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Senior WH official: "what about the leftist mob? Just as violent" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 2:01:55 PM #4 | I've got Stephen Miller in this one --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump literally can't just say "Racism is bad" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 11:07:39 AM #38 | PoopMcgee420 posted... The KKK voted for a black man blinking guy dot gif --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump literally can't just say "Racism is bad" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 10:10:13 AM #17 | PoopMcgee420 posted... Source https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/charlottesville-protest-trump-condemns-violence-many-sides The Republican senator Cory Gardner of Colorado tweeted: “Mr President – we must call evil by its name. These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism.” This was echoed by Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah who lost a brother in the second world war. “We should call evil by its name. My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home,” said Hatch on Twitter. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump literally can't just say "Racism is bad" |
| Antifar 08/13/17 10:08:29 AM #15 | A president's response to something like this shouldn't be focus-grouped to win approval; it should be a moral response as a representative of the nation. If Trump is unwilling to call out white supremacism because of how it might look to his voters, what is that but political correctness? --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | in all seriousness, why are key members of the confederate side praised? |
| Antifar 08/13/17 12:27:04 AM #3 | As white supremacists retook power in the South in the late 19th century, there was a conscious effort to paint the Civil War from the southern perspective as a "lost cause," a noble effort against long odds in defense of state's rights and the "Southern way of life." This was occurring even while the war was fresh in people's minds, and often coming from the same people who had openly declared the central nature of slavery to the South and the conflict. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | The victim in Charlottesville was 32-year-old Heather Heyer |
| Antifar 08/13/17 12:07:22 AM #1 | Rest in peace. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump is giving comfort and support to actual neo-nazis |
| Antifar 08/12/17 11:32:28 PM #39 | Monday posted... Fuck outta here. Making a statement like "Trump is giving comfort and support to actual neo-nazis" is blatant shitposting It's also correct. Trump, by not focusing his ire on those who deserve it, by playing this "many sides" bullshit, is helping the neo-Nazis in question. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump is giving comfort and support to actual neo-nazis |
| Antifar 08/12/17 11:05:12 PM #27 | Ammonitida posted... When I said "killer", I didn't just mean Micah, but the whole thing. Both sides. He in no way condemned both sides with his statement. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump is giving comfort and support to actual neo-nazis |
| Antifar 08/12/17 10:58:50 PM #22 | Ammonitida posted... ou mean like when Obama condemned the anti-police bigotry of the left after the Micah Johnson massacre during a BLM rally? Obama condemned both the killer and abusive policing ("both sides"). Your memory doesn't serve you well http://time.com/4398185/barack-obama-remarks-dallas-police-shooting/ We still don't know all the facts. What we do know is that there has been a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement. Police in Dallas were on duty, doing their jobs, keeping people safe during peaceful protests. These law enforcement officers were targeted, and nearly a dozen officers were shot. Five were killed. Other officers and at least one civilian were wounded -- some are in serious condition, and we are praying for their recovery. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Imagine learning about the Holocaust and nazis in middle school |
| Antifar 08/12/17 10:55:04 PM #10 | I had a friend in high school who was one of those kids that draws Swastikas on things and makes Holocaust jokes. Looking back, it was, uh, not great behavior, but we never quite figured out how seriously he took it. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Imagine learning about the Holocaust and nazis in middle school |
| Antifar 08/12/17 10:47:57 PM #4 | AlternativeFAQS posted... >implying people who end up nazis paid attention in school Man, like Richard Spencer has a law degree. I'm not saying the dude's smart, but he and his followers aren't solely inbred yokels. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Why are the alt right protesting anyway? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 10:22:51 PM #28 | The Admiral posted... I do understand why they'd feel marginalized after the identity politics rhetoric of the last election. Given that their side won that election, I do not understand. You can't shake a stick without hitting a major media outlet profiling rural, white, working class Trump voters. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Which Sherlock episode did you like the best? |
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| Topic | Why are the alt right protesting anyway? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 10:11:16 PM #24 | How would you define/describe your politics, Amon? Seems that would be the best way to avoid misinterpretations. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | If mcgregor wins, is it the death of boxing? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 10:08:52 PM #6 | Boxing is dead. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump did condemn the attack, don't let the deranged alt left twist it |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:54:57 PM #132 | tommybel89 posted... Anti-fascists (aka commy campus losers) on the other hand have been attacking right wingers for months on end and are funded by the deep state. This sentence doesn't even have internal consistency. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Millenials are so soft today. Back in the day people their age fought Nazis! |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:51:57 PM #5 | WW2 soldier: "God, I sure hope my grandchildren have the chance to bleed out from a shrapnel wound in the French mud" --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Lexington, Ky. mayor announces removal of Confederate statues |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:43:23 PM #27 | Note: Kentucky was basically Confederate in name only. They never even seceded. mattnd2007 posted... No. It is important to preserve history. Even the bad. Otherwise you aren't telling the whole story. But we don't do that. These statues are not an honest telling of history. They popped up across the south decades after the Civil War as part of a concerted effort to whitewash the legacy of the Confederacy. Why the fuck does (for example) New Orleans have a statue of Robert E. Lee (a Virginian), but nothing of the sort for its 1811 Slave Revolt, or its 1892 general strike? Not because the monument makers were committed to preserving history, but just the opposite. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | How worried should we be as a society about what took place in Charlottesville? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:34:16 PM #2 | I generally agree with you, TC. The far right is given far more attention than its numbers deserve. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Lexington, Ky. mayor announces removal of Confederate statues |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:32:13 PM #15 | smoliske posted... you can't spell Antifar without Antifa 1. Correct. 2. My name references an old inside joke among my friends, and it was only years later when I learned of Antifa's existence (here on CE!) 3. I do support Antifa --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Lexington, Ky. mayor announces removal of Confederate statues |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:29:40 PM #7 | SomeLikeItHoth posted... This is pure PR bull shit. If he cared he would just remove them. What is the point of announcing these kind of things to the public? You want him to just have construction crews come haul it away in the middle of the night or something? --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Lexington, Ky. mayor announces removal of Confederate statues |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:25:53 PM #1 | http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346360-lexington-mayor-announces-removal-of-confederate-statues-in#.WY-ojc4GKoQ.twitter The mayor of Lexington, Kentucky is accelerating his plans to remove Confederate statues from key locations in the city due to violence spurred by white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va. on Saturday. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | So; race riots, looming nuclear strike. How's your Saturday going? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:11:51 PM #22 | Watching soccer. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Why did the incident in Charlottesville gather so much media attention? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 9:02:42 PM #58 | Fair enough --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Why did the incident in Charlottesville gather so much media attention? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:51:53 PM #55 | Kazi1212 posted... Any group of people who advocate for violence I would put out of left/right or liberal/conservative dichotomy entirely and call them radicals. Are you including war as violence, or excluding it to avoid the awkward situation of declaring all of mainstream politics to be radical? --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Why did the incident in Charlottesville gather so much media attention? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:50:27 PM #54 | Contemporary socialists and communists certainly were not celebrating Hitler's rise. But I'm sure Mal knows more about the tenets of socialism than the socialists. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | McCain calls protesters neo-nazis |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:45:09 PM #13 | ChromaticAngel posted... I thought Unite the Right was a thing where Richard Spencer and a few others were going to do some soap box convention shit. Well, yes. But the removal of the Lee statue is why they focused on Charlottesville. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Why did the incident in Charlottesville gather so much media attention? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:40:33 PM #49 | It's not every day a bunch of folks gather around a Confederate statue with torches chanting "blood and soil." The events of last night primed coverage for today. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | if only America had someone like Angela Merkel to lead us in times like these |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:29:32 PM #7 | If only America was imposing austerity on Greece. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Why are the alt right protesting anyway? |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:22:49 PM #5 | This specific rally was in response to a Robert E. Lee statue being removed from, uh, Emancipation Park. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | c/d "the left"/"lefists" is a meaningless term now |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:14:24 PM #13 | Back to the original point: the conflation of "all politics to the left of John Kasich" with "leftism" is hugely disappointing and more should be done to note that "hey, there are significant differences here. Barack Obama is not a leftist. Noam Chomsky is not a liberal." --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | c/d "the left"/"lefists" is a meaningless term now |
| Antifar 08/12/17 8:03:44 PM #8 | NinjaBreakfast posted... why "leftists". The left/right distinction dates back to the French national assembly way back in the 1800s. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump did condemn the attack, don't let the deranged alt left twist it |
| Antifar 08/12/17 7:29:38 PM #68 | The alt-left is not a thing, btw. No one calls themselves that. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Trump offers condolences to dead cops; not women struck by a car |
| Antifar 08/12/17 7:27:08 PM #16 | ManBeast462 posted... Antifa run down by an Antifa member But that's not what happened. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Police helicopter stalls in air, crashes patrolling Charlottesville |
| Antifar 08/12/17 7:26:33 PM #1 | http://www.cbsnews.com/news/helicopter-crashes-near-charlottesville/ A Virginia State Police helicopter crashed Saturday in Albermale County, Virginia, near the city of Charlottesville, where a violent white nationalist rally was taking place. --- kin to all that throbs |
| Topic | Car plows in counter-protesters at Unite the Right rally |
| Antifar 08/12/17 3:41:33 PM #39 | One dead, reportedly an IWW member. RIP. --- kin to all that throbs |
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