Current Events > Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism

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I think our past presidents would not have hesitated to denounce these views (the way many current politicians are) given these circumstances. And in many cases, they'd be doing so through gritted teeth, or outright lying. But Trump's inability to bring himself to condemn it is nothing but cowardice, and I don't think it will pay off as a political decision either, given the reaction from many conservatives.

George W. Bush was a monster. But he also understood that as president he had a responsibility to offer moral clarity in times of turmoil. Obama praised the police following the shooting in Dallas (and many other times besides).

After a conflict between Neo-Nazis who killed a woman, and those who oppose them, Trump has sided with neither.
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The Admiral posted...

"The only way I can ever have a gotcha moment is reposting half a sentence of yours without ever providing the context of the comment."

I'll post the whole thing since it was me you were addressing with that asinine point

The Admiral posted...

Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.

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I stand corrected, Ronald Reagan once said Nazi soldiers were victims every bit as much as Holocaust victims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitburg_controversy
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

"The only way I can ever have a gotcha moment is reposting half a sentence of yours without ever providing the context of the comment."

I'll post the whole thing since it was me you were addressing with that asinine point

The Admiral posted...

Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.

I'm still trying to figure out how the German state owned the means of production. Krupp, IG Farben, Messerschmitt were pretty much all privately owned (along with damn near every other major manufacturing company in the Reich). Just because they manufactured military goods for the government doesn't mean they were state owned. Or do you consider Boeing a state owned company because they build military planes for the government?
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Antifar posted...

I think our past presidents would not have hesitated to denounce these views

What are you on about? Obama was railroaded for 8 years straight for NOT denoucing Islamic violence or BLM violence.

Bush was ridden mercilessly for being dismissive of violence and suffering of black people.

This is a repeating pattern. If you respond you give credance to the question no matter how you answer.

Like if I asked you "Hey Antifar why did you have anal and oral sex with that 510 pound hairy man!?" if you answer anything at all publially, the question has become legitimate. If ignored, it goes away within a week.
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Unfair stop being a contrarian for once in your life.

Jesus, your gimmick might actually be worse than Hoths at this point
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Well not all Muslims or black people have the same views and mindset.

Ah so when other presidents take the pratical dishonest approach over morality, it's fine.

But when Trump takes the pratical dishonest approach over morality, we have to pretend it's a new thing and lie about the past until called on it.

That makes perfect sense

Neo-Nazis are by definition full of hate and spiteful views. There's a pretty large difference there.

IF you say so.

Personally I don't think "It's okay to accept violence if you think another group is less violent!" is much of a defense of anything.

If my family ran around commiting murders I wouldn't buy "Well Charles Manson was worse" as an acceptable justification for not trying to stop and decry them.

Samurontai posted...

Unfair stop being a contrarian for once in your life.

What have I said in this topic that goes against popular opinion?

Oh I see, this is the "Someone smarter than me made me think and I hate that!" defintion of Contarian.

Carry on.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.

Christ. Does he not actually know that Nazi Germany had a free-market economy? The USA is literally a socialist country by these standards.
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sutree posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.

Christ. Does he not actually know that Nazi Germany had a free-market economy? The USA is literally a socialist country by these standards.

Your first mistake was responding to The Admiral.
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Very sad when the Presidents daughter has proven to be more Presidential than the man himself

Solar_Crimson posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Samurontai posted...

The Admiral posted...

"Yeah, but still..."

Have something you want to say Admiral?

So far, nobody has condemned the Republicans who have decided to condemn the Neo Nazi's, just the ones like Trump who refuse to do so.

Yeah, the whole "say what I want you to say or else you're silently supporting these white supremacists."

Amazing that the same people saying this would immediately start crying if you asked them to do same of Muslims for terrorism or black people for gang violence.

But you want people to speak out about Muslims and black people. You even do it yourself. Why are you cool with the President losing his balls when a white supremacy terror attack happens?

@The_Admiral

In your fantasy land, maybe. I don't think black people or black political leaders have any obligation to speak out against or apologize for the absurd amount of homicides committed by black gang members. I do, however, criticize activist groups like BLM for completely ignoring that some of the issues black people have with police are directly related to the disproportionate crime statistics of that group, however.

Muslims are different from these racial groups in that they share a collective ideology that the terrorists use to justify terror attacks. I do think they need to distance themselves from atrocities done in the name of their religion and not allow radicals in their communities to go unreported.

So, like I said before, these people saying "silence is acceptance" are generally hypocrites.
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She kind of has to. She converted to Judaism when she married. Wouldn't look good supporting Neo Nazi.
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