Current Events > If Trump refuses to condemn his voter base for all of last night, it'll escalate

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itachi15243
08/13/17 2:49:36 PM
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More and more people will think it's okay. Those on the fence will join in and those who are alt right and maybe even just general Trump supporters will think it's okay. Okay to go March with fucking Nazi's, or maybe become one even. Especially so when the person/people who died last night are glossed over as if their life didn't matter.

Things like this need to be put down before they begin to escalate​ and then spiral out of control.
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TheVipaGTS
08/13/17 2:51:00 PM
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I'm sure many already do. they keep saying shit like "this is why we voted for Trump! TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK GREAT LEADER"....you don't think they're thinking "nice, he didn't call us out...he calls out the MUSLIMS and LIBERALS all the time but not us....HE SUPPORTS US! We're winning..MAGA"...

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BillyKidd
08/13/17 2:51:21 PM
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A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.
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BlackHorse6969
08/13/17 2:51:22 PM
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get ready for Civil War 2. time to kill some naht-zees, bay-bee!
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Antifar
08/13/17 2:52:32 PM
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I don't think he has to go out and say "I denounce my voter base," but he should be clear that White Supremacism of the sort that fueled yesterday's events is toxic, and has no place in our society. His equivocation allows the white supremacists to shape their narrative, to pretend the other side was just as much at fault.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 2:53:45 PM
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AssultTank posted...
I would assume he's tired of condemning the KKK and Nazis after how many times he had to do it during the campaign.

I mean he was starting to sound like a broken record with how often he had to do it.


Trump has never boldly condemned David Duke, the KKK, or the alt-right. You know very well what happened during the campaign. Getting him to say so much as "I disavow" was like prying up fingernails.
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TheVipaGTS
08/13/17 2:55:02 PM
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AssultTank posted...
I mean he was starting to sound like a broken record with how often he had to do it.

He sounds like a broken record when he attacks "fake news" and "amazonwashingtonpost" and "HILLARY"...but he keeps doing that...why is he drawing the line here?
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RebelElite791
08/13/17 2:55:35 PM
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 2:56:36 PM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
AssultTank posted...
I would assume he's tired of condemning the KKK and Nazis after how many times he had to do it during the campaign.

I mean he was starting to sound like a broken record with how often he had to do it.


Trump has never boldly condemned David Duke, the KKK, or the alt-right. You know very well what happened during the campaign. Getting him to say so much as "I disavow" was like prying up fingernails.


That's a load of horseshit. He disavowed THE FAKE endorsement of David Duke. David Duke never endorsed Trump yet liberal media continued to say he did and Trump disavowed that fake news endorsement like 30 fucking times.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 2:57:47 PM
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AssultTank posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
AssultTank posted...
I would assume he's tired of condemning the KKK and Nazis after how many times he had to do it during the campaign.

I mean he was starting to sound like a broken record with how often he had to do it.


Trump has never boldly condemned David Duke, the KKK, or the alt-right. You know very well what happened during the campaign. Getting him to say so much as "I disavow" was like prying up fingernails.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html


You are a conservative. Do you really think this is what your political movement ought to be about? Tip-toeing around denouncing Neo Nazis and the KKK? You know all too well those were flimsy "denunciations" that only happened after many, many weeks of people begging him to say more, and those weeks were full of horse shit excuses on his part. "My earpiece wasn't working, so I didn't hear Jake Tapper say David Duke and KKK three times and I didn't know what he was talking about."

It utterly, utterly baffles me how much moral cowardice there is about this. Stand up for what's right.
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 2:59:31 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeK-f3_7Wv4


Try again.
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TomNook20
08/13/17 3:02:04 PM
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Ignoring the obvious troll topic, he should unequivocally denounce neo nazi groups and call them out for the violence that just occurred. He shit on obama for showing the same trepidation about calling out radical Islamic terrorists, and the right shits on the left for not condemning violent groups like antifa all the time... but then again he complained about obama's golf vacations and we know how that went.
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Tropicalwood
08/13/17 3:02:05 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.

Trump needs to lick Comey's shoe for firing his ass under the advice of the DoJ.
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kronos96
08/13/17 3:03:11 PM
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That's basically most of his fanbase.
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Mr_MacPhisto
08/13/17 3:03:29 PM
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Do trolls not realize how stupid they look when they call Nazis and white supremacists Trump's "voter base"? Get a fucking clue. Trump didn't win election because of racist Alt-right members. He turned Obama blue counties to red, flipping states that gave him the electoral college.

https://www.cnbc.com/heres-a-map-of-the-us-counties-that-flipped-to-trump-from-democrats/

Those are the voters that awarded him the presidency. So unless you want to actually claim that Americans who voted for a black man twice are secretly white supremacists, with facts and statistics to back it up, just shut the fuck up with your flimsy trolling.

Typical CEmocrat flopix
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dotsdfe
08/13/17 3:04:57 PM
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https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/896714418490355714
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twitterfriends
08/13/17 3:05:05 PM
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If he wants to be a true leader he'll stand for what's right, if he wabts to pander to his extreme Nazi base he'll stay the same.
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The Great Muta 22
08/13/17 3:10:03 PM
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TC is right. The literal neo-nazi's who openly have stated they felt Trump's statement didn't attack them and was actually empowering them. You fucks can keep deflecting and denying it all you want, but when you have the white supremacists literally saying that Trumps words are helping them then you're wrong. Period.
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 3:12:14 PM
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AssultTank posted...
You know how I know you didn't read the CNN link?

Maybe a video will help you.


I can keep pulling citations where he denounces the KKK if you want... I have a long list...


I think you need to come to terms with the fact that Donald Trump is not a force for good in this universe. He is a force for ill; a force for certain members of the disgruntled white majority in this country who are terrified of losing its preponderance of power in the face of the increasing Hispanic share of the vote, who lay the blame for job losses at the feet of minorities and immigrants. I've members of my families who think and feel this way, and I think most of us do.

Please don't try to tell me otherwise after I've listened to my own father go on about how there's "a great conspiracy against whites in this country by people trying to pick our pockets and give all our money away to the blacks" -- every time a white anchor has gotten fired from Fox News for sexual harassment this year, he's indulged crackpot conspiracies about how it was one giant frame job to replace the Caucasian faces on the TV with black faces by promoting minorities above whites. If you truly believe those people are a myth, and Donald Trump isn't deliberately appealing to them with this kind of business, then you are blind.

You have the chance, right now, to take back your political party and forge it into something good. Other conservatives like Mitt Romney and Bill Kristol are out there speaking boldly about this, calling on the president to do more. Take a look in the mirror at the person you are, and think about what it is you're really fighting for, and what you want the Republican Party to be.
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FrisbeeDude
08/13/17 3:13:34 PM
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When the guy who runs fucking stormfront praises trump for his bullshit response, you really just need to stop
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 3:15:40 PM
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/896420822780444672


I mean seriously, not that hard to find that he did indeed condemn the violence.
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FrisbeeDude
08/13/17 3:17:52 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/896420822780444672


I mean seriously, not that hard to find that he did indeed condemn the violence.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/white-supremacists-cheer-trumps-response-to-charlottesville-violence-3d0d50196c52/amp/

Everyone saw it for the joke it was
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The Great Muta 22
08/13/17 3:18:13 PM
#26:


BillyKidd posted...
I mean seriously, not that hard to find that he did indeed condemn the violence.


You don't get it
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Glass_Phantom
08/13/17 3:19:24 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/896420822780444672


I mean seriously, not that hard to find that he did indeed condemn the violence.


Yes, he condemned hate -- in general terms. He condemned the violence "on both sides." He said repeatedly, through clenched teeth, and never particularly enthusiastically, "I disavow the KKK."

BELIEVE ME. The KKK got the message. The message they heard was, "We've got our guy in the White House now, and if he can't come out and telegraph his support for us, and he has to rap us lightly across the knuckles every now and then, then that's okay! We understand, and we read his wink-wink nudge-nudge loud and clear."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak.jpg

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Banana_Cyanide
08/13/17 3:23:00 PM
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The violence is going escalate no matter what.

It's inevitable.
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 3:31:19 PM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
BillyKidd posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/896420822780444672


I mean seriously, not that hard to find that he did indeed condemn the violence.


Yes, he condemned hate -- in general terms. He condemned the violence "on both sides." He said repeatedly, through clenched teeth, and never particularly enthusiastically, "I disavow the KKK."

BELIEVE ME. The KKK got the message. The message they heard was, "We've got our guy in the White House now, and if he can't come out and telegraph his support for us, and he has to rap us lightly across the knuckles every now and then, then that's okay! We understand, and we read his wink-wink nudge-nudge loud and clear."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak.jpg

Give me a break.


So, the nazis are doing the same as the liberals. He never said "on both sides". Didn't say it through clenched teeth. Why do you keep lying? Both of those sides are saying he was implying, when the fact is he was saying hate needs to stop, period. You keep looking for something that isn't there and making conclusions based on what you feel.
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Antifar
08/13/17 3:35:02 PM
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There's a sizable gap between the statement of Trump, denouncing violence "from many sides," and even the responses of his fellow Republicans.
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/896483980857532416
https://twitter.com/SenCoryGardner/status/896472477844385792
https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/896509908383911936
https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=64ED6753-345F-4F64-9B64-2D8BDAE952B5

In comparison, Trump's statement is more equivocal, and softer on white supremacists. I think it's worth wondering why that is, particularly given Trump's past comments on "political correctness" and calling our enemies by name.
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dotsdfe
08/13/17 3:39:45 PM
#31:


BillyKidd posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
BillyKidd posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/896420822780444672


I mean seriously, not that hard to find that he did indeed condemn the violence.


Yes, he condemned hate -- in general terms. He condemned the violence "on both sides." He said repeatedly, through clenched teeth, and never particularly enthusiastically, "I disavow the KKK."

BELIEVE ME. The KKK got the message. The message they heard was, "We've got our guy in the White House now, and if he can't come out and telegraph his support for us, and he has to rap us lightly across the knuckles every now and then, then that's okay! We understand, and we read his wink-wink nudge-nudge loud and clear."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak.jpg

Give me a break.


So, the nazis are doing the same as the liberals. He never said "on both sides". Didn't say it through clenched teeth. Why do you keep lying? Both of those sides are saying he was implying, when the fact is he was saying hate needs to stop, period. You keep looking for something that isn't there and making conclusions based on what you feel.


You're right! He never said "on both sides", he said "on many sides". Nice try playing at semantics, though.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-statement-alt-right-protests/index.html

There's the video of his statement if you want to listen to it for yourself.

What he did was the equivalent of a parent walking into a room, seeing their son literally beating their daughter to death with a baseball bat, saying "Hey guys like be nice, okay", and walking away.
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Annihilated
08/13/17 3:46:48 PM
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When it was BLM terrorizing white people last year, Obama didn't disavow them even once and BLM got the message, and liberals were fine with this because it encouraged more anti-white anti-cop hate.
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 3:48:30 PM
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You do know outside of 1 lone guy driving his car into people, both sides got into multiple fist fights, right?
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Webmaster4531
08/13/17 3:50:53 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
You do know outside of 1 lone guy driving his car into people, both sides got into multiple fist fights, right?

You know 1 conservative killed someone?
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 3:55:40 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
You do know outside of 1 lone guy driving his car into people, both sides got into multiple fist fights, right?

You know 1 conservative killed someone?


So it's okay for antifa to hit people with bike locks, as long as they don't actually kill someone? Trump said the hate and violence needs to stop from everyone.
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--kresnik--
08/13/17 3:57:00 PM
#36:


BillyKidd posted...
A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.


This. And stop acting like 100% of his voter base is made up of these nuts.
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Webmaster4531
08/13/17 3:57:32 PM
#37:


BillyKidd posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
You do know outside of 1 lone guy driving his car into people, both sides got into multiple fist fights, right?

You know 1 conservative killed someone?


So it's okay for antifa to hit people with bike locks, as long as they don't actually kill someone? Trump said the hate and violence needs to stop from everyone.

He said many sides. Many is a weasel word that can be interpreted to mean he's just against the non-nazis.
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RebelElite791
08/13/17 3:57:58 PM
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It is both okay and morally justified to hit Nazis yes
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 3:59:38 PM
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oh give me a fucking break. The videos posted show Trump repetitively saying he denounces all hate groups, kkk in particular. How many times does he have to go out and say he wants nothing to do with them before you actually hear him?
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08/13/17 4:00:43 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
It is both okay and morally justified to hit Nazis yes

Same goes for antifa.
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1NfamousACE_2
08/13/17 4:01:02 PM
#41:


BillyKidd posted...
A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.


A) He didn't condemn the Nazi group. He condemned it from both sides
B) Weren't the conservatives saying Obama had to apologize for BLM?
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SpreadManning
08/13/17 4:01:15 PM
#42:


BillyKidd posted...
A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.

Literally this
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Paragon21XX
08/13/17 4:02:23 PM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak.jpg

People only hear what they want to hear. Surprise, surprise.

Case in point: many posters in this topic.
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Webmaster4531
08/13/17 4:02:35 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
oh give me a fucking break. The videos posted show Trump repetitively saying he denounces all hate groups, kkk in particular. How many times does he have to go out and say he wants nothing to do with them before you actually hear him?

I would never believe him. You'd always believe him.
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UnfairRepresent
08/13/17 4:02:37 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
It is both okay and morally justified to hit

No it's not
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 4:04:44 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
oh give me a fucking break. The videos posted show Trump repetitively saying he denounces all hate groups, kkk in particular. How many times does he have to go out and say he wants nothing to do with them before you actually hear him?

I would never believe him. You'd always believe him.


only a sith deals in absolutes
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FrisbeeDude
08/13/17 4:05:41 PM
#47:


Annihilated posted...
When it was BLM terrorizing white people last year, Obama didn't disavow them even once and BLM got the message, and liberals were fine with this because it encouraged more anti-white anti-cop hate.


If BLM and nazis are comparable, you're too far gone
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BillyKidd
08/13/17 4:06:46 PM
#48:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.


A) He didn't condemn the Nazi group. He condemned it from both sides
B) Weren't the conservatives saying Obama had to apologize for BLM?


In his tweet, he generally condemned violence. His speech said many sides, referring to all the violence that occurred in Charlottesville, not the sole car attack.

Did Obama apologize?
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 4:07:09 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
It is both okay and morally justified to hit Nazis yes

Correct. Their violence exists independently of anything else.

If they didn't exist, antifa would never be violent. Antifa exists only to defend us from scum like Nazis.
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gunplagirl
08/13/17 4:08:49 PM
#50:


BillyKidd posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
A) Trump DID condemn the violence.
B) Trump DOES NOT have to go on an apology tour for shit he didn't do.


A) He didn't condemn the Nazi group. He condemned it from both sides
B) Weren't the conservatives saying Obama had to apologize for BLM?


In his tweet, he generally condemned violence. His speech said many sides, referring to all the violence that occurred in Charlottesville, not the sole car attack.

Did Obama apologize?

He said their violence is just as bad

He would never actually condemn nazis or the KKK. He refused to even name them as perpetrators yesterday.
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