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Okay, E1-5 Beginning complete! It's a pretty good intro, although the video is kind of misleading, with Edgeworth standing in front of the burning embassy going, "Accursed Yatagarasu! Kay, you...!" and not finishing his thought, almost as if they're trying to make you think Kay makes a heel turn...! Man, that might have been interesting, now that I think about it! He also says the "black raven" when it's the white raven and vice-versa when talking about the two cards. The background was the corresponding color, but not the raven itself! I'm just nitpicking there though.

Anyway, investigating the embassy before the fire is fun. You get a random Lotta Hart cameo, and you get Edgeworth and Kay debating on the Steel Samurai vs. the Jammin' Ninja (as well as Edgeworth commenting that it seems like Kay wants to be a ninja more than a thief, which is probably true). The scene where Larry gives Edgeworth the autograph is weird because the obvious question somehow doesn't occur to him, perhaps because he was blinded by Steel Samurai fanboyism. I remember playing this the first time and wondering, "Wait, how does the Steel Samurai know Edgeworth's name?" It's strange that such a clear contradiction slips by him.

Also, fun tidbit relating to what we were discussing earlier: If you examine the flowers next to the Steel Samurai display, they'll actually start talking about the Global Studios mascot. Kay can't remember its name, and Edgeworth chimes in that it's Mrs. Monkey. Then Kay's like, "Oh, that's right. Wow, you have a good memory," prompting Edgeworth to respond, "Heh, never underestimate my powers of recollection." So good.

Anyway, investigating the murder scene is pretty good. It's a neat location. Also, Manny Coachen is supposedly the same age as me (31), but holy crap, his face looks like it's made of rubber and he looks like he's in his 50s! He looked that way at 24 in E1-4, too! Dude must be a vicious chain smoker or something! You get Gumshoe as a partner for this brief segment, and I gotta say that this is probably his best work in the game. He and Edgeworth have the sort of banter they have during 3-5 and the kind I'd been waiting the entire game for. Perhaps the best exchange is when Edgeworth is talking about extraterritorial rights and Gumshoe naturally gets confused. "Extraterrestrial rights? Do you really believe the truth is out there, sir?"

Manny Coachen has the Yatagarasu's Key, and I've been thinking about this the last couple days. Why did Calisto Yew steal this thing to begin with? It was supposedly a big deal that could bring down the smuggling ring, and she gave it to the police. Then she eventually gives it back to the smuggling ring anyway. What's the point? I know she was working for them all along, but still, why go through the effort to steal something you just give right back? Was it just a plot to trap Faraday so she could kill him and get him off the smuggling ring's back? That's the only thing I can think of, honestly. Also, how was this thing supposed to bring down the smuggling ring to begin with? Was it just a ruse? I guess so.

Gotta give some love to Ambassador Palaeno here. Dude is a super great minor character. His animations are so fun, and the conversations with him are entertaining. It's rare to find a character in this series who is so open with you, too.

Two testimonies here, both by Shih-na. She's a really good opponent. It's just a straight head-to-head battle of logic between the two of them, and she doesn't mess around. She just lays out her argument, and it's up to Edgeworth to debunk it. I love her damage animation where her head snaps back and her bangs fly up, too.

Whew, I feel like that was the easy part! The next two segments are going to be beastly.
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Naked Snake: "You can't see my face."

Para-Medic: "No, but I can imagine it."

of course she gets spooked if you call her with the Raiden mask so whatever

pjbasis posted...

So Liquid was cognizant of the players existence.

well yeah he tells you to trust your instincts as a gamer and stuff
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NCAA Contest regular
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SeabassDebeste posted...

I didn't think much of Godot's use of "Trite."

Did greatly enjoy Yew, though.

The malicious misnaming thing is whatever. It's much more offensive in other languages than it is in English, where it's perceived to be childish more than anything else. However, most of the time, Godot is funny when he's supposed to be. As apparently the only person who actually laughs out loud when he plays video games, one of the most egregious sins an AA character can commit is failing to be funny when they're supposed to be. At that point, you become annoying. Yew's gimmick doesn't make me laugh, even though it's supposed to, so she annoys me more than anything else.

Take Mike Meekins as another example. It's clear the writers want him to be funny based on the sheer amount of shticks and gags they give him, and they kept sticking him in games, to boot. However, Meekins is unfunny at just about every level, and that's why he's the worst. At least Yew is only unfunny at one level, and she's somewhat interesting in between the failed humor, too.

Somewhere in the middle is a character like Oldbag. She can be very funny when her jokes hit, but they also miss a high percentage of the time (See: E1-5). As such, she gets a middling ranking from me on my list. On the other hand, bit characters that a lot of people find annoying--Trilo, Brushel, Hotti--I like a lot because their humor usually hits the mark for me, so even though they're meant to be minor comic relief characters, I rank them higher than most people do because they're funny when they're supposed to be.
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Supposedly, there's talk of Trevor Siemien going to the Jets if the Broncos get Romo.
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E1-5 Middle is legitimately great, and it's the only section in AAI1 that rivals stuff from the OT. It's amazing how awesome Edgeworth vs. Shih-na can be when she's not laughing every other line!
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LapisLazuli posted...

I'll take my bumps if that's what you desire.

if you insist
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I think this might be the only time in the series the fourth case of a 5-case game is longer than the third case of that same game.

also technically 1-4 would qualify although it wasn't originally a 5-case game

perhaps put an asterisk on that one
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see that I would understand

although I'm too busy weeping to laugh

Seriously though, despite how annoying the gimmick is in E1-4, it's so ingrained in your brain by that point that they're able to use it to fantastic effect in E1-5.
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Yew's theme is...okay, I guess. I don't care for it. In terms of character themes, Kay's, Badd's, and Lang's are all better.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Honestly don't get why people find her so annoying. Yeah, they do her gimmick a little TOO much

all right then you get it

it'd have been more interesting and entertaining if she wasn't going "OH MAN YOUR WRINKLES ARE BACK SO HILARIOUS" every other press
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Well, Yew admits that it didn't go the way she planned (presumably because she didn't expect Edgeworth to expose her or figure out the trick to the key), but I think she does a good job of taunting Edgeworth about simply handing her the key, hassle-free and no questions asked, despite the fact that he suspected her of being the criminal, at the end.
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Well, Yew slipped up about the key because she's assuming nobody else figured out the secret, so she feels safe in throwing that out there. Then once she convinces Edgeworth to give her the key, she honestly stops giving a crap about defending herself because she got what she came for.
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E1-4 complete! During this last segment, there are four testimonies: One by Badd and three by Yew (one of which is "press for more information" and the other two both get the Presto theme. The second testimony also has the contradiction in the first statement). The final piece of evidence presented is the Yatagarasu's Key. The only piece of evidence you don't use is Faraday's Organizer. Badd is so good during this last part. He almost single-handedly brings the case up a notch. The moment he pulls out the sucker and starts talking seriously about the Yatagarasu is pretty great (and the Yatagarasu theme is also pretty great). Talking about his regrets as a detective and why he continues to wear his trenchcoat filled with bullet holes is a little sad, too.

The showdown with Yew in the courtroom is mostly good fun. The setting gives it a good atmosphere, and breaking Yew's alibi apart is interesting when she's not busy being annoying to talk to. Like I said, I wish E1-4 wouldn't undermine itself by mixing in so many subpar elements because almost every good part comes with a caveat of "well it was mostly good except for this dumb thing that you couldn't avoid or ignore." Even with Badd, you can nitpick about how slow he talks due to that sucker being in his mouth! Anyway, Yew is fairly clever here, especially with how she manages to get Edgeworth to hand her the Key so she can make her escape with it. I did like the callback at the end when she says, "I even gave you such good advice earlier. Don't take your eyes off of a criminal or you're going to regret what happens because of your negligence," which takes on a deeper meaning when you realize she was talking about herself.

Anyway, I wish we had seen more of (or any of) Heel Edgeworth. No calling Yew a bimbo or calling Gumshoe a hopeless amateur? He's not nearly arrogant enough either. Also, Edgeworth at this point (and especially Franziska) shouldn't be giving half a crap about the truth. They talk some about the von Karma "perfect investigation" or "perfect evidence," but they avoid the fact that it has nothing to do with it being based on the truth. The only thing Edgeworth should really care about here is catching killers and making sure they get guilty verdicts. If they actually arrested Gumshoe here, you bet your bottom dollar he'd have gotten him found guilty, whether he believed he did it or not! Edgeworth is not a good guy at this point in his life, no matter how you slice it, and the poor and inconsistent characterization is really the main thing that bothers me about E1-4 and why I won't ever be able to consider it as something more than "kinda good." It detracts from the experience too much because I can't just ignore it or overlook it. It shouldn't even exist in that form. I'd have rather played as Heel Edgeworth anyway. Would've been an interesting change of pace, and you still could have made it work!

Well, that's enough of that. E1-5 is next, so now we'll be taking predictions on where it lands in the length rankings!

E1-4 Beginning playtime: 1:40:09
E1-4 Middle playtime: 1:38:33
E1-4 End playtime: 1:39:44
E1-4 in-game time: 3 hours, 40 minutes
E1-4 total playtime: 4:58:26

3-5 - 9:35:46
2-4 - 9:05:21
1-5 - 8:46:43
4-4 - 6:38:01
3-2 - 6:02:56
4-3 - 5:58:33
3-3 - 5:48:31
2-3 - 5:06:33
1-4 - 4:59:52
4-2 - 4:58:35
E1-4 - 4:58:26
2-2 - 4:47:40
E1-3 - 4:02:16
1-3 - 3:49:35
E1-2 - 3:15:49
1-2 - 2:40:40
4-1 - 2:11:44
3-4 - 1:54:15
E1-1 - 1:44:51
3-1 - 1:43:09
2-1 - 1:15:57
4-0 - 1:09:44
1-1 - 0:33:35

This might be the only case where the in-game time is shorter than the actual playtime!
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LordoftheMorons posted...

I think a lot of the common complaints about the case are kind of alleviated by my playstyle of exhaustively searching for all text (or, rather, a lot of the complaints about the case force people to move closer to that playstyle which doesn't really affect me)

you and I play the exact same way and I have my fair share of complaints about 1-5!
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Can we talk about the use of "journos"? Is that a thing?

oh good I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was terrible
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not sure if I should wish you luck on that or not...!
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he might have been

Edgeworth got it from somewhere
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I don't know if I'd say Gregory isn't gifted. He's considered one of the best ever for a reason.
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Reducing a rating I get

Increasing a rating I don't get, unless everyone's just trying to troll someone of Vlado's caliber
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SmartMuffin posted...

Okay, but there are "troll scores" that go the other way too (giving a game 5 stars when it doesn't deserve it is also trolling, isn't it?)

I don't even understand how this is effective trolling or why anyone would do it

What, so you can give it a higher ranking than a game you don't like and rub it in other people's faces or something?
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Well, nobody has a clue who Winston Payne is. Edgeworth doesn't know who Portsman is either, despite him being next door, but who knows with that one.

I don't know about "massive," but it's the biggest thing in AAI1 so far. Of course, they're primarily setting up the really massive thing in the finale here.

Also, E1-4 Mid more like E1-4 Meh especially its conclusion. I want to like it more than I do but it won't let me.
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Edgeworth is terrible at remembering the name of anything that isn't human. "Mr. Monkey" becomes "Mrs. Monkey" in 1-3. "Psyche-Lock" becomes "Psycho-Lock" in 3-5. "Little Thief" becomes "Little Mr. Thief" in AAI2 somehow. He keeps calling "Ponco" "Panko" in 5-5 despite getting corrected every time he does it.

Mia is supposedly bad at getting people's names right, too, but that didn't really carry over into the English version beyond "Harry Butz." Oh wait, she does call Phoenix "Mr. Wry" when she first meets him in 3-1, too.
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Yeah, Edgeworth still holds the same view about his badge that von Karma taught him long ago. Actually, his feelings about von Karma are kind of interesting because he'll never say a bad word about him when he's brought up, but it's clearly not a topic he likes to discuss anymore. You can see that in E1-3 when Ernest tries talking to Edgeworth about von Karma. Edgeworth concedes that there was probably no one better at prosecuting than Manfred von Karma, but when Ernest insists he is his true successor, Edgeworth quickly gets quiet.

There was one cartoonishly evil von Karma moment I liked in E1-4 though. At one point, von Karma says it's important for Edgeworth to grow into a great prosecutor, "because it wouldn't be interesting otherwise," a clearly malicious bit of foreshadowing about DL-6.
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Miles Edgeworth: "I place little faith in my memory." Straight from his mouth in 1-5!

I'm sure Edgeworth is sentimental about certain things. Just not many things. He's slowly able to admit how much he values his friendship with Phoenix Wright by the time 3-5 rolls around (although not straight to his face, of course). He keeps that King of Prosecutors trophy in his office, too, despite repeatedly insisting he's not fond of it. I think the Steel Samurai action figure is proof that he's able to separate himself from his personal feelings because he keeps it (and the flowers) despite the fact they come from Oldbag! Same for his first trial jacket, too, because by AAI, anything that reminds him of von Karma is probably not "fond memory" territory anymore.

I get what you're saying though. Certain things stick in your memory more than others, and that should be one of them. It's weird that the cravat is what triggers his memory though! However, I do think Edgeworth deliberately suppressed some of his emotions and memories during that time period to help him get by.
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Yeah, Yew's "Objection" is pretty awful. Might be the worst in the series. Probably a tossup between that and Darklaw's.
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Edgeworth forgetting is kind of understandable to me just because of the dark turn his life takes (and really should have already taken by now, but that's beside the point, I suppose). Plus, he's not very sentimental to begin with. I guess you could chalk up Gumshoe's forgetfulness to him just being absent-minded or something. Seven years is a pretty long time to remember someone you only met once when they were a kid.

You're right about them not really doing a good job of driving home that connection between Edgeworth and Kay through their fathers' deaths though. I had totally forgotten about that part until I played through it today, and I don't think it ever gets brought up again.
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I guess, but Zachnorn is the guy I associate with the Wiki more than anyone else.
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even Anagram chuckles at this topic
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Western animation: Probably KaBlam or something, but the look was intentional, probably.
Anime: Usagi Drop, maybe?
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UItimaterializer posted...

Refusing to have me back on The Show because alpha males make him uncomfortable.

shots fired at yoblazer
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Oh man, does anyone even care about that anymore?

SBAllen has browbeaten us so much with how infrequent contests are now that we're happy with anything

a truly devious plot
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X_Dante_X posted...

his desire for an all fictional character contest

this is perhaps his most admirable quality yes
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Oh right, the Guru, too.
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The Show and the X-Stats calculator
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E1-4 Middle complete! It's not too bad for the most part. It just has a few nagging things that weigh it down for me. Franziska has a few good comedic moments, like when Yew makes her angry and she goes for the whip. Edgeworth tells her to think very carefully about who she plans to whip, and then she whips him instead, saying, "There. I chose carefully. I hope you're happy." Edgeworth and Franziska bantering back and forth when you investigate all the different items on the vending machine is pretty fun, too.

Like I said though, this is where the case bogs down in a lot of ways. As soon as Badd tells you that when he brought Gumshoe up to the third floor and Yew met them, saying Faraday dragged Rell into the other lobby and said not to disturb him, it became exceedingly obvious that she had already killed them by that time. At this point, the only real mystery is trying to solve what the gunshot was that both Badd and the Judge claimed to have heard while Gumshoe was on duty.

Speaking of the Judge, there are three testimonies in this segment: Two by the Judge and one by Gumshoe. For some reason, I assumed there were more! I mostly enjoy the Judge's testimonies because it's funny watching him overreact and also act like he's in court. There's even one part where he says, "The court accepts this into evidence," followed by the appropriate sound effect! There are a few great exchanges between him and Edgeworth. "I cannot allow you to make an objection." "I'm very sorry, Your Honor, but I cannot allow you to not allow me to make an objection." "Egads, I've been overruled!" Then Edgeworth has a great one-liner: "I never let an opportunity to shout 'Objection' pass me by!" Of course, the whole "confusing a popped balloon with a gunshot" thing is pretty dumb, but whatever.

Gumshoe lying to "protect" Kay is meant to be endearing and heartwarming, but it falls flat for me personally because it's a profoundly pointless and actively detrimental lie. Also, you're supposed to feel bad for Kay when she begins crying, but it's also kind of hard when the last two times she's shown up, she's sneaking up behind Edgeworth to kick him and hisses at him like a stray cat. That's kind of E1-4's M.O. here. It has some good elements but then it undermines itself by combining them with some really dumb ones.
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It was indeed. Thank you.
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worst OT villain is Morgan Fey
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Well, you and I notably disagree on that one because I don't particularly care for E2-2's or E2-4's culprits. The rest are pretty great though!

PW1 and T&T both make good cases for best cast of culprits though! JFA's isn't bad either aside from Wellington. AJ's...is solid, too, actually, although it cheats by having Kristoph twice (and T&T cheats by having Dahlia twice). DD's is a mixed bag. SoJ's is fine, although it doesn't have any standouts.
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Yeah, Portsman is probably the best culprit overall if you don't give Calisto Yew credit for being Shih-na in E1-5.

although I don't think Alba is as bad as a lot of people seem to
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