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ssb_yunglink2 posted...

wheres 50 cent

50 is a troll, there's a difference

Southernfatman posted...

Where's Silky Johnson?

He's the one who created the monument

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/58f9b7d2.jpg

In a lot of ways, this is even worse than the Pusha T diss. The Story of Adidon was a great diss track, but not necessarily meant as hype music or for radio play.

This song on the other hand? It got people dancing in the club to Drake repeatedly being called a pedophile. Drake might actually have to stay quiet for a bit.

gamepimp12 posted...

I only started shit posting when I realized I was arguing with people who werent qualified to have this conversation on the first place.

ive given anyone who gave an intelligent response a legit answer

More like you realized your takes were awful and are trying to save face

The U.S. really is setting itself up for people to start seeking vigilante justice, because we sure as fuck ain't getting it from the system

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Em All was just an edgy hipster group of tryhards. Tyler's whole gimmick was shock factor, rapping about shit like murdering other celebrities and raping women; just reeked of a wannabe Eminem. Then he became Internet famous, softened his image, and just disappeared. 2012 was a pretty crappy year for music, honestly. Frank Ocean is overrated, too; mediocre at best.

> "Disappeared"
> Won a Grammy in 2019 and two nominations in 2021

Lmfao

I have to imagine the inevitable next violation is what will do him in.

In fact, his next Truth Social is probably gonna be him bringing up that CORRUPT Judge Merchan wants to throw him in jail

ninjaman44 posted...

This unfortunately. I used to love star wars a lot, but pretty much every new entry feels like just another product off the conveyor belt. There's no point to any of it other than keeping the franchise going.

Star Wars would benefit from tackling a whole different era for a while. We don't need to see more Skywalker Saga shit because the story is basically over.

The Acolyte is nice because it (seemingly) has nothing to do with the Skywalker Saga. Just a whole new slew of characters that they're free to do what they please with. I'd also love to see Star Wars go into the distant future, long after the Skywalker stuff is done.

gamepimp12 posted...

But again, thats wrong.

EDIT:: even if you think Joe budden isnt a great rapper hes clearly a better rapper than mac and Tyler

100% Im not a fan of most of modern drakes music, I listen hoping to catch the few times he actually RAPS, but everything else is stuff Ill just hear out when ever.

but the people questioning his rapping skill and not his effort, just arent qualified to have this convo.

and dont get me wrong his effort is a HUGE PROBLEM

Well, you don't get points for "theoretically" being a better rapper. Drake hasn't evolved much at all while all of his peers are elevating themselves.

gamepimp12 posted...

So what Im getting out of this topic is yall havent heard early drake or his modern deep cuts

Hes first 2 mixtapes are pre 2008.

when I say he rapped like Joe budden and phonte I was not exaggerating

Joe Budden is not that great lol

gamepimp12 posted...

okay thought you where talking about them as whole artist cause I was like no way you believe that

But neither of them are better technical rappers than drake though.

Like dont get me wrong Drake hardly tries nowadays, hes rather make turn up music than actually rap. Which pisses me off because I know drake as a rap nerd.

but we cant have come out of this Kendrick beef and think drake cant rap, he chooses not to quite often, and thats a valid criticism against him.

but he saying he cant rap like at all ?!?

Nobody's saying he can't rap at all. But again, he's just mediocre. Like, his rapping is passable enough to not ruin whatever track he's on, but it's not like people listen to Drake for his wordplay, flow, lyricism, storytelling, etc.,

And for the most part, Drake ain't rapping about shit. Even with the Meek Mill shit, he didn't win because he was a better rapper, but because he had the bigger hit.

gamepimp12 posted...

its the fact you implied the Tyler the creator or Mac would survive in a pre Kanye rap era. But drake wouldnt.

Off of pure skill? Absolutely.

Whether or not you want to argue about their personas fitting the image of hip-hop at that time is a whole separate thing that's irrelevant to my point.

Drake's Twitter meme bars would not hold up at that time. The only reason he gets away with it now is, again, because he makes turn up music for non-rap fans.

I'm not insulting him for that, but he's never been a respected figure in the hip-hop community.

gamepimp12 posted...

we cant be for real right now.

Yes we are lol. Lupe is probably one of the most unmatched lyricists of all-time, he just don't get the credit because his music isn't made for the radio

Oh yeah and JID smokes Drake too lol

gamepimp12 posted...

even then guys like Mac, and lupe, and Tyler also wouldnt of survived ?

They absolutely would have. At least off the strength of their skill and talent.

Lupe in particular has had whole college courses analyzing his lyrics.

Drake can't outrap a single rapper I mentioned. Except maybe Mac Miller just because he'd be too laid back about it.

gamepimp12 posted...

But hes got a 15 year career as a top rapper

No, he has a 15 year career of making palatable and commercially successful "turn up" music. He's never been anywhere near being a top rapper unless commercial success is your only metric.

Drake's career wouldn't have even survived if he came out during the early 2000s.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Also btw I cant get over tc listing Andre 3k but not Big Boi

Honestly, if we go through all the iconic rap groups, we could be here all night naming better rappers than Drake lol

Srk700 posted...

You don't have to dislike him to think he shouldn't be high on the list. Like I personally don't think commercial success should really matter, especially because you have some guys like Drake that branched off into other genres that helped make them as big as they are commercially. Which muddies up the list since your essentially counting their stuff from other genres into their rap rankings.

It's also worth pointing out that Drake's rise to fame directly correlates with mainstream rap music just completely shifting into glorified pop music.

Like I said, Drake's core audience isn't even hardcore rap fans.

gamepimp12 posted...

EVEN if you take away anything of drakes that has questionable writing on.

hes mixtapes put him on a higher tier of lyrics, rapper than someone like nelly

like lets be real here.

Why are we talking about Nelly though

gamepimp12 posted...

its really weird to act like drake is a bad rapper especially after his showing recently ?

Drake is mid as a rapper bro. And we don't even know if he writes his own shit.

Like, Drake's target audience isn't even actual hip-hop fans. That's how far removed he is from the other rappers I mentioned.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Q-Tip
Earl Sweatshirt
Danny Brown
JPEGMAFIA
Killer Mike
El-P
Dr. Dre
Black Thought
Del the Funky Homosapien
Beastie Boys

Idk if I'd put Dre on there since he uses ghostwriters IIRC, but I agree with everyone else

gamepimp12 posted...

most of those guys dont have the commercial success or the influence to be on this list.

I don't care about commercial success tbh. It doesn't make you the better rapper.

Like I said, Drake has hits, but he's pop rap. He's empty calories to the rap industry. I don't think it'd even be fair to compare him to someone like KRS-One on that metric because Drake was intentionally made to be marketable and palatable.

gamepimp12 posted...

Name 20 rappers then.

Jayz
Nas
Biggie
Tupac
Rakim
Em
DMX
Kendrick
Kanye
Cole
Ice cube
Snoop
andre 3000
scar face
Lil Wayne
50 Cent

At this point were arguing stuff like LLcoolJ, and Nelly and shit like that

Any of the major names in Wu-Tang Clan, Redman, Lupe Fiasco, MF DOOM, Ludacris, KRS-One, Common, Mos Def, Tyler, the Creator, Mac Miller are all some rappers I'd put above Drake.

And I'd put LL Cool J above him too

Drake has hits, but he's incredibly mediocre as an actual rapper and my opinion of him is even lower if he uses ghostwriters

gamepimp12 posted...

There is no way drake isnt a top 20 rapper or all time, like no question.

Just over all, talent, songs, contribution to the game etc

Ain't no fucking way Drake is Top 20 "no question"

gamepimp12 posted...

Youre somehow a bigger outsider than drake is.

And you guys its confirmed drake leaked Kendrick some false info, like its a fact.

as far as we know its just the song cover for meet the Grahams

and the 11 year old daughter, drake at one time thought he had a daughter that would be 11 at this time but it wasnt his and he found that out pretty early on.

If Drake leaked false info, then that makes him extra corny. Especially with how weak this response is

I4NRulez posted...

uhhh what lol

Tyler was beefing with DJ Kahlid a few years ago lol

I should have said "nobody relevant"

Plus, every real hip-hop fan knows rap beefs are when we get the most exciting music

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah if drake just stayed as the overly emotional sensitive dude then i dont think hed be in this situation rn. But he tried to act tough and has dissed an absurd amount of people through the years, and now has an army of people ready to bury him.

Many rappers have successful careers without dissing or being dissed at all, but Drake wanted beef and now he has it in spades

That's always been his problem and Kendrick called it out.

Drake always wanted respect from the rap community. He was always low-key insecure that he was seen as a "pop rapper" with a core audience of women so he overcompensates with this tough guy persona that gets him into trouble.

It's like he's trying to avoid being another Ja Rule.

David1988 posted...

is Drake having a 11 year old daughter true or false? If false then Kendrick should do fact checking as Drake said in the song

Nobody knows for sure, but the album cover for Certified Lover Boy certainly isn't helping the allegations:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6cbe55bb.png

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

well, yeah? Rap is their livelihood. Pride and reputation are huge in this scene. One of the reasons so many harder rappers hate drake is because he acts like he came from the streets and didnt.

A lot of dudes literally rapped themselves off the streets. Of course its serious when it comes to protecting your reputation and trying to ruin the guy whos dissing you

The thing is Drake would have a lot more respect if he just didn't pretend to be someone he's not.

Like Tyler the Creator is a fucking weirdo (in a good way) and nobody bothers him.

lilORANG posted...

I guess I was picturing 8 mile style freestyle battles. Not this lame shit

This is always how rap beef has been.

You might just want to sit this one out.

gamepimp12 posted...

The only fake info thats currently been leaked was

Drakes daughter

and the meet the grahams cover photos.

If that's the case, then fair.

But even still, leaking fake info to win a rap beef still deserves an L. Drake would have been better off just not doing that and then accusing Kendrick of hitting his wife.

Especially when your next response is just you waving the white flag. The only way this EVER turns in Drake's favor is if it turns out Kendrick is deliberately lying about it all.

CommonStar posted...

is drake really just going on his timeline and putting tweets he likes into his track because that's what this sounds like.

it also makes no sense for him to plant stuff only to get nuked and then have no adequate response.

The idea of Drake planting fake pedophile allegations on himself is laughably ridiculous and if that were true, it'd still be a massive L on his part

lilORANG posted...

So are these losers literally just waiting for a track to drop and then getting to writing a response as quickly as they can?

Wtf do you think rap beef is?

Srk700 posted...

I don't get it. Is saying Kendrick only cares about the pedi stuff because "he was molested as a kid" supposed to be some kind of diss? Especially when Kendrick never even actually claimed he was molested,.

It's him completely misinterpreting what he said on Mr. Morale.

Kendrick said his mother had been molested by a family member and she thought Kendrick was too (but he wasn't).

Sober how?

I only drink modestly every few months or so.

That Snoop I'm on all day

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah Drakes last album that I consider good back to front is probably If youre reading this its too late, which was 2015. Every album hes made after More Life I just straight up dislike.

I do think its silly that people pretend Drake has never made good music though. Drakes songs, even at his his best, arent often the deepest, but theres some real quality there and you can play it and enjoy it with friends.

Kendricks music is obviously much deeper and introspective of a lot of the time, but im also not necessarily gonna be bumping a lot of TPAB or Mr Morale songs in the car with my friends to have fun with it.

I think theres a place for both of them in hiphop.

My main issue with Drake is he always felt inauthentic to me. I don't mind him making dance and club hits and shit, but I don't need him to be rapping about his "goons" or whatever. I give Cole a lot of respect because even though he's street-adjacent, he never tries to present the image that he's a gangster

His subject matter also seems extremely limited and I feel like he's been rapping about the same shit since he started. At some point, it just gets repetitive.

Yawn_Master2 posted...

Kendrick is trashing Drake so bad. Has Drake responded since Not Like Us or whatever?

Don't think so. Only thing he's said about the disses all weekend was saying he'd quit rapping if someone finds his hidden daughter.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Well sure it could be. Still less teeth. We know Kendrick is unfaithful and definitely has skeletons in his closet.

But he's also said he's killed people in some of his songs and it doesn't appear he's ever actually taken anyone's life.

It's also worth pointing out that Drake's allegations are a lot more vague. Even if the wife-beater stuff is "technically" true, we don't know when it happened, the full context behind it or the severity.

YoungMutual posted...

I know next to nothing about rap, which of them is a pos and which isn't? Who's winning and who's losing?

I'd say Kendrick has the clear W at this point. I don't think there's much of a response Drake can give to beat Meet the Grahams, unless he can prove Kendrick is lying

David1988 posted...

damn. crazy timeline. so one is a wife beater and the other is a pedophile?

"Allegedly". The thing about this though is that Drake has already had sus behavior with underaged girls before in the past, including kissing one on the lips on stage at one of his concerts years ago, and having back and forth text communications with both Billie Eillish and Millie Bobby Brown well before they were of age. He also went public about dating a then-18 year old, but they had apparently been dating for 2 years prior to that point, meaning she was 16 when they hooked up. I heard the AoC in Canada is 16 though, which is probably why not that many people talked about it.

The Kendrick wife-beater allegations have much less teeth, but Kendrick did air out his marital problems and issues with infidelity on his Mr. Morale album.

As for the sex trafficking stuff, Drake does have someone on his label who was previously charged with human trafficking and assaulting a woman.

NoxObscuras posted...

This entire post is accurate, but I want to clarify something about how this all started. J Cole said the big 3 were him, Drake and Kendrick. But in the same song, Drake said that the GOAT's were just him and Cole (leaving out Kendrick). So it was a really roundabout way of Drake saying he doesn't acknowledge Kendrick as one of the greats, without directly naming him. And that's why Kendrick made a diss track in response. Because Drake was trying to be sneaky with his diss.

And yeah, according to DJ Akademiks, Drake reached out to Kendrick to be on First Person Shooter with them, but Kendrick declined.

Thank you for adding that context

lilORANG posted...

Is being in the big 3 a bad thing?

Not necessarily, but Kendrick already didn't like Drake and found it weird that he would do a song mentioning him.

FWIW, Kendrick and Cole have no real personal issues with each other, and in all likelihood, Kendrick probably pulled Cole aside and told him to stay out of it. Kendrick does say that the original "Like That" verse was only supposed to be friendly rap competition, until Drake took it a step further by mentioning his family

Also another thing I forgot to mention: Drake allegedly tried to get "Like That" removed from radio play, with Metro Boomin posting receipts. And 2pac's estate called a cease and desist on "Taylor Made Freestyle" for using Pac's voice to attack Kendrick, which Drake accuses Kendrick of being responsible for

Basic rundown:

- Drake and Cole do "First Person Shooter" together, with Cole name dropping Kendrick as part of rap's "Big 3". Kendrick and Drake already had pre-existing tension from Kendrick's Control verse, so Kendrick wasn't fucking with it (apparently Drake also reached out to him for a verse)

- Kendrick drops a verse on "Like That" with Future and Metro Boomin, talking about how there's No Big 3, it's just him, and Cole and Drake are his competition. Cole drops a diss track but later removes it and apologizes to Kendrick, which many are speculating he did because he realized how intense the beef was about to get

- Drake drops two diss tracks as a response, where he says that Kendrick's fiance was sleeping with his bodyguards. He also does some lame ass shit where he uses AI to mock Kendrick in 2Pac and Snoop's voices on "Taylor Made Freestyle"

- Kendrick drops "euphoria", saying he hates Drake and sees him as a misogynistic culture vulture who lies on and manipulates people and warns him not to speak on his family. Also calls him out for the AI bullshit and for having a bunch of ghostwriters

- Kendrick drops another track "6:16 in LA" as a final warning, telling Drake that someone in OVO works for Kendrick and has dirt on Drake and that a lot of people in OVO want to see Drake get taken down

- Drake drops "Family Matters" claiming that Kendrick beats his wife, that one of his kids is really his best friend's and that he doesn't actually care about his community like he claims to

- Kendrick drops "Meet the Grahams" 30 minutes after, where he claims that Drake not only has an 11 year old daughter that he doesn't take care of and is trying to hide, but that he and others in his camp are pedophiles and that Drake and his clique are engaged in sex trafficking. The cover art to the diss was also a picture taken in Drake's house featuring items from Drake's father's suitcase

- Drake posts an IG story denying that he has a daughter

- Kendrick drops another track yesterday doubling down on the pedophile allegations

And that's where we're at now. Also worth pointing out that many other rap artists have come out and dissed Drake, including Future + Metro Boomin, The Weeknd, Rick Ross, Kanye West and A$AP Rocky

Where are the "think about the children!" GOPers at when shit like this is said by their own officials?

This is Trunks versus Mecha-Frieza

Even if Drake somehow managed to win this, he would never be Top 5. Kendrick is already a shoe-in.