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But at this point with Ulti confirmed it makes FD the objectively correct lynch before Chang anyway.

Scum can't win so you remove the Indy possibility.

You don't allow the only potential Indy left in the game to go unblocked.

Like after losing their roleblocker and rolecop to a terrible player on day 1 almost every night of the game has gone about as badly as possible for the scumteam.

They never recovered from losing that broken role.

I mean jail keeping Ulti was still a bad decision. It just ended up being on the only night of the entire game we have a redirection claim that we still lack an explanation for.

Scum has gotten hellishly unlucky this game.

So yeah with Ulti and Kirby essentially confirming each other town just through the claimed existence of that night 4 redirect, a Chang lynch probably does just end the game.

It seems like such an odd thing for FD to make up out of the blue, but if it is still going he's the obvious roleblock.

So yeah that questionable night 4 redirect sure is paying dividends.

Kirby roleblocking Ulti that night was being called a punt but it actually turned out to be completely disastrous for scum.

Ulti claimed roleblocked early on that day and is somehow even more confirmed town than Kirby is.

Like Kirby is at a .01% chance but Ulti actually is at 0% because of Kirby.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I guess he never officially said the word?

I said Lawyer before anyone else, as far as I remember

Actually this can go further and I'm not sure how we've overlooked this for so long today. FD as town or Indy has no motive to lie about the redirect. The last scum has this power.

I'm confirmed town and don't have this power.

Kirby cannot have used this power unless his role is completely broken if he does

Ulti cannot have used this power because he was roleblocked

FD has is the one who claimed the redirect to begin with.

It is actually impossible for Ulti to be scum if FD is town.

It is extremely unlikely Kirby is scum if FD is town.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Yes, so if Chang is scum then his role sure as hell isn't called "lawyer"

Did he ever actually claim lawyer or any specific role name

And yes, Knightz was a roleblocker and a rolecop, but he couldn't target people separately. He blocked and scanned the same person.

I had a town cop like that in TMNT actually.

And since no host worth anything would ever allow a scum role that ridiculous, any non scum flip from FD actually does town confirm Kirby.

Like if that role exists just ban Lea from hosting.

I just realized something minor but something nonetheless.

The only way Kirby can be scum is if godfather scum backup and Lopen was JK.

But FD being town would assure a redirect occured on a night where Ulti was blocked.

This means on an FD town flip the only way Kirby could be scum is if he was godfather backup bus driver and was allowed to both block and bus drive on the same night.

Oh the Evil Jeff thing

Kingdom Hearts 33 1/3 comes next

Leslie Nielsen holographic guest star

Well the Canucks at least put up a fight late. You know Ulti why would IGCD be "shocked" you scanned him when he would've had to fear you enough to shoot at you cold btw

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Everyone's asleep now I guess. Cool.
Cool cool cool.

Anyways if it's Chang today then cool, but his flavor feels like an awful fit now that IGCD flipped.

Why

Man the Canucks totally flopped over I didn't mind sitting here because hockey but this game sucks

I'm only agreeing to wait that long if it comes with the stipulation that the night phase is going to be like 30 minutes tops.

Welp there goes the chance to hammer anyway.

The only thing nagging at me is that tiny little possibility that FD could still be 3P but there shouldn't be any 3P with a meaningful wincon that could disrupt us.

Kirby let's be real

Is anyone here happy

I can, I'm just pondering if I have any reason not to.

Also if night 5 really is "scum forgot to submit an action" just lol.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Alright well Im going to sleep.

If you guys kill Chang and the game doesnt end, you have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry.

If the game does end, I am taking the mother of all victory laps when I wake up.

(typo)

Bro I've been the one saying Chang isn't confirmed town since day 2 wtf victory lap.

changmas posted...

he's also the only player involved in the "red got the cannister not ctes" that hasn't flipped town fwiw, if he lied about that intentionally to create confusion

That claimed redirection is the only way I could make night 5 make any sense at all though. Scum shooting at Death, shooting at Ben, and intentionally NKing are all completely moronic actions.

I'd actually be more willing to believe that scum completely forgot to submit an action.

It really is odd though how much Chang kept nudging people to suspect FD when he just uh... Doesn't seem to himself?

I will say though on the note on FD, there is exactly one thing he has done this game that hasn't set right with me.

That hammer on IGCD came out of absolutely nowhere.

Eh I get it. Everyone but FD is here. If he's dead and game isn't over we could all send in night actions immediately and maybe get day 10 up tonight instead of tomorrow.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lets kill FD while hes at his movie and end then. Because if Kirby or Blade are scum then this game doesnt count anyway and youre here to submit night actions.

You know how I am. If I were scum and something egregiously wrong occurred for some reason, I'd end it myself.

The other thing is that FD would be... Godfather Pineapple Vendor who made up a bus drive to get us to chase a driver who also no killed night 5 because ???

Which seems absurdly weak compared to the rest of the roles scum has shown.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I cant wrap my head around FD or Kirby being scum. Thats the problem. Its not even that I think youre scum, theyre just more town than you are.

I dont get why youre not just trying to kill FD today though if youre town.

If Kirby is scum I would like Lea to just end the game right now in a scum victory instead of making us wait through two entire night phases just to lose to the most overpowered team to ever exist.

changmas posted...

Corrik just...does that though

He claimed a roleblock on the doctor on a night where no one died

Like seriously wtf dude

By the way Ulti, why clear FD based on lack of reaction to a scan when the last scum is almost certainly godfather.

Though it sounds like FD is doing something no evil character is known for doing anyway?

I mean Corrik was caught blatantly lying on day 2 you can't even say that would've been a bad decision.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Occulams Razor says Lopen was scum.

Actually. Kirby. We should probably roleblock and scan FD. I have no doubt he scans innocent, but hey.

Uh

Scum Janitored scum day 1 awesome play

UltimaterializerX posted...

If the game doesnt end today and by some miracle FD actually is scum, he could theoretically no kill to force a mislynch on me. But we worry about that tomorrow.

I want Kirby to roleblock me. Fully put this out in the open.

FD being scum should be completely unreconcilable with how night 5 ended up. I really want to know wtf happened on night 5.

Little do we know it actually is 3-1-1 and the scumteam was this superpowered absurdly undermanned team and is already out of the game and we're just dealing with an Indy.

Kirby321 posted...

Oh fair point I forgot about the bus drive. I can pre-announce my target if everyone thinks that's a good idea.

You have to pre-announce your target, yes. Although, if Ulti is town the only explanation is I saved him night 7.

Like this can drag to day 11 but the only way scum wins with no Indy around is if Kirby is scum and this is the most busted team possibly in B8 history.

Or scum has yet another ridiculous power to pull out of it's ass to go with having two unblockable EKs.

So yeah if town loses we just lynch Lea.

changmas posted...

Mislynch me

Kirby PRE-ANNOUNCES HIS TARGET (this will be important later)

4 players remaining. Kirby is blocking FD or Ulti. Blade protects Kirby.

If Blade dies -> it's the person Kirby didn't block. If Kirby dies -> It's the person Kirby didn't block and they are a bus driver (see he pre-announced his target so you know who to kill in this scenario).

If no one dies -> lynch the person Kirby blocked. If the game doesn't end, Kirby blocks the other person and you lynch that person the following day.

You just called this factually incorrect when I said it wtf

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We lynch ctes and Lea after the game if something got screwed up with the gambler shot lol. But yeah as long as Kirby actually jails correctly this things is locked up.

And now it's movie time

Yeah if I weren't town here I would correct that myself.

You know I would.

changmas posted...

oh wait there's a guaranteed win as long as kirby and blade aren't scum or 3p

Literal confirmed town

But yeah like.

There's a very high chance MZero set this entire stretch of no kills into motion so thanks MZero.

Basically we have an OP scumteam ho lost their roleblocker and has been getting maimed by the limited power town has to counter them or they just keep no killing.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And you're effectively my POE if only because what else is left? I know it's not me and I don't think it's the cop or jailer. But I can't being myself to understand how blade want just eliminated ages ago.

Is it so someone else can point at it and say "obviously I'm still alive, scum can't kill me because there's a doctor"? Or is it so I'll suspect that's the case when it isn't?

I believe scum tried night 4 and was blocked by MZero. IGCD got roleblocked night 6, and scum tried to shoot Ulti before he scanned IGCD on night 7.

Night 5 is the one night where there's no great explanation.

changmas posted...

I mean, it would explain how angry IGCD got lmao like 'how could you do this to me'

Like this "how could you do this to me" being genuine.

This is never the IGCD reaction to that scenario.

changmas posted...

Yeah, Ulti would never go off script

IGCD still wouldn't react in that specific manner. IGCD is a sheep.

The only argument is IGCD was reacting so aggressively it was fake.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

3? Ctes was self inflicted and we got a confirmation out of it so not sure if you were counting that one.

Scum had 2 EKs and nothing about IGCDs flip mentioned anything about not being allowed to kill the same night an EK was used. I know that was being considered as a possible explanation.

An EK is still an EK. Three town have died during the day phase.

We've had as many town die during the day as we have at night and it's day 9.

changmas posted...

I mean, it would explain how angry IGCD got lmao like 'how could you do this to me'

No, because it would be a setup from the beginning.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If this happened then Kirby just wins. I can kind of understand giving scum a backup for knightz role, but it would have to be limited use, right? And being a godfather backup with that role feels game breaking.

This scumteam is already rather disgustingly overpowered so if they have that too then Knightz throwing away his superpowered role was the only way town even had a chance.

Assuming the game is still going in any case.

changmas posted...

this is factually wrong btw. scum always no kills tonight and forces the stalemate.

There is no stalemate.

One of Ulti/FD gets lynched, and the other gets blocked again that night.