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Oh please that was tame compared to how I've played in the past.

A Mafia player should be able to handle way more than that.

I mean everyone wants to bring up me suspecting Ulti but are people just going to ignore him calling me "Perfect Role Stealing Godfather" for like 3 1/2 days when that would've actually applied even better to Kirby than to me

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I knew I scanned guilty and had ulti questioning his scan, don't ever just give up. Blade says he wouldn't let you live but Blade was ready to lynch ulti up until FD was hammered and he'll lie and say he wasn't

If Ulti would've stopped inventing these creative and contradictory ways to call me scum out of nowhere I'd have found him a lot more believable.

I thought there was a good chance Ben was a straight up bus job by Ulti. Then Ben flipped 3P and ???

Saving Ulti on nights 6 and 7 was an easy decision though.

But basically.

Ben just didn't make sense as town and I thought MI was a game-throwing mislynch. I correctly pegged both Red and MI as town on day 5 and they both got lynched anyway zzzz.

I actually thought Ulti was bussing him at the time. When Ben flipped 3P it raised some questions.

PunishedBen posted...

4TH ALIGNMEMT BABY

.... In all seriousness, I had a lot of ways to win and simply missed them all. Like I could have roleblocked Ulti the night he scanned me, I just forgot I had the ability. And on the day I died I was already committed to trying to help the underdogs (Or what I perceived as the underdogs at the time lol)

How would you think town were the underdogs at that point

htaeD posted...

Oh yeah.
Tho Ben was not making it out of that day alive IMO.

I would not have let Ben survive that day. I said it on day 6: Ben was the only player in the game who fit as anti-town with ANY scumteam.

Did Ben actually know whether or not a 3P existed?

Lopen filled 4 1/2 topics by himself with spam about scum recruiters in Bloodborne and he wants to talk about making ridiculous theories huh

I would wager in general 3Ps that know they can't win side with town because it gives them something to do. I shot obvious scum and then gave a cursory summary of my reads in the game that ended up being mostly accurate on day 2 before dying as impossible wincon Indy myself.

Virtually everyone thought Ben was 3P or scum anyway based on his role. He had a role with a near-impossible wincon. I had an indy role in a game Ulti hosted with a near-impossible wincon and openly townsided.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Over the top? I legit had ulti questioning his scan lol

I played along with you at the end of the day "just because" but frankly your outburst before FD hammered felt like you were forcing an unnecessary and unnatural amount of censorship into your posts.

Nope jailing me to a no kill doesn't get me lynched because doctor gives me plausible deniability.

Which is why I always fire a shot as scum with that claim.

By the way I totally called that IGCD was over the top faking it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Without that game this one never happens. It hardened me to not care about emotional arguments.

When the hell did I use emotional arguments in Bloodborne

Like I was scum on a questionable claim and he's fine

Here I'm town doctor with an innocent scan who would've had to be pulling the most elaborate long con in the history of Mafia which goes against how I play as scum and he's still all over me

Like wtf

Also I swear Ulti wasn't anywhere near this absurdly paranoid of me in Bloodborne and all I had there was a late miller claim

But yeah like. The game went for 9 days. As many people died during the day as died during the night.

This is surely never happening in a game again.

Ok yeah that's what I figured.

Also yeah, if I get janitored day 2 while I'm bluffing investigation in response to Corrik that uh... Would've been unpleasant.

Who did you shoot night 6 anyway

Also I brought it up before but you should've sacrificed IGCD to terminate Kirby on day 6 and killed me night 6. You never even need to kill Ulti after that.

FD just summed up exactly why I would've fired all kills as scum at that point and thus never would've allowed IGCD to be roleblocked night 6 in the first place.

But yeah the issue is Ulti kept contradicting himself to invent all these ridiculous scenarios to make me scum and most of them were so absurd it was hard to imagine them actually coming from town.

I still hold that Ulti was way more likely to be in his scumgame than I was to be in mine.

htaeD posted...

Blade did at least manage to townconfirm Ulti finally

Only because of FD's lie. It forced Ulti and Kirby to be town.

I did my best thinking by far past 1am this game.

Also I still hold that I never ever waste that kind of power on Lopen day 1.

Also like we had 3 anti-town left in 17 after day 2.

Everyone was wrong for a long time it's kind of normal.

wallmasterz posted...

yes ironically Blade was literally Lopens play style just with toxicity lmao

Lopen is way worse than I ever was this game.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I will defend nights 1-4 of chaos, those all had the desired effect and the Sbell kill legitimately saved IGCD from being found out immediately.

But yeah, 5, 6, 7 should have been doc, jailer, cop

I just don't understand why you'd ever shoot one of your best mislynch options in Ben

Chaos doesn't describe that

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I also said janitor should have been used on Red/Blade/Death. I threw out the "or it could be used on Lopen 24 hours after blade's post, but we probably shouldn't do that". It certainly did not have the desired effect.

Fun fact:

I said long long ago that the second person to jump on the 24 hour thing was probably scum.

Weren't you second

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Legitimately to cause chaos because we were so far behind. Thats the same reason I lied about my night 4 target to create redirection chaos. It have the effect of monopolizing the conversation that day with the added bonus of making red obsess over it and stay awake all night

But again that's when we needed to flip the switch between doing chaos things and doing smart things.

Too much chaos though.

You can't leave Doctor+JK alive this late in a game. Jailkeeper is already busted as hell at endgame on it's own.

Also Ctes why

Why didn't you say anything about IGCD

The primary reason your claim was so hard to believe was you let that guy run around with a delayed vig claim for 4 days as delayed vig yourself

By the way

Thank you for nuking Lopen day 1.

Ulti and I were at each other's throats most of the game but if Lopen were alive too my god

Also 3P really was just a flavor trap got 'em

ctesjbuvf posted...

Lopen was town vanilla lol.

That's actually what I thought he was until all this crazy stuff came into play so I buy it

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I agree. Even on night 7 I wanted a longer discussion about figuring out who you were going to target. Again I should have been more assertive

Yeah I had that save submitted very quickly.

Either Ulti was scum and was going to shoot me to bring the game to lylo or scum was going to try to shoot him.

My only play was to save him.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Because we needed town questioning the choices in shots. Don't pretend you and Ulti weren't ready to lynch each other the entire game.

You MUST kill Kirby or I night 4 or night 5.

When I wrote my grand theory I completely removed NK from the table.

Very very few people would NK in that situation

So like

Shooting MZero night 4
Shooting Ben night 5
Not having FD fire the kill night 6
Desperation shooting Ulti night 7

Yeah scum deserved to lose with actions like that. Kirby never should've lived long enough to make that roleblock on day 6.

My first impression was MZero was shot directly but I have no idea why the fuck an FD/IGCD team does that.

Ben honestly was an irredeemably bad shot on night 5 and is a "deserve to lose the game" type of decision.

I don't get how a scumteam ever gets to a point where shooting him is even considered an option.

You mean that town had Ulti/Blade/Kirby all alive and all wide open to be shot and scum chose to shoot at a high-value mislynch/indy lynch over any of them. Inexcusable.

htaeD posted...

They shot Ben
Cmon

Who the fuck shoots at one of the easiest lynches in the game

That's even worse than forgetting to even send a night action

I had a feeling it was just going to end because FD's last day was completely lifeless.

Is it weird that I kind of wanted a day 10 just for the sake of a day 10

Also wtf happened night 5

Why did you claim a redirect

That redirect could do absolutely nothing but end up confirming town once only one scum was left

You know

For a long time I thought Doja Cat was referring to some kind of cat meme, not a person.

I'd prefer any team with Kyrie on it to flame out in spectacular fashion.

Uh that's a stop

Or the game just ends either way it works.

Oh and yeah

##Vote: FD

Remove the last possible Indy and get the hard town confirms first. Objectively correct.

But like the only way Kirby is scum is if his role is so broken that scum won the game on day 1 when they janitored Lopen and we've spent 4 weeks in a mechanically unwinnable game since you can never justify lynching him.

Doesn't that sound fun

Kirby321 posted...

Tbf Ulti could do the same if he's actually scum

He can't be. Ulti can only ever be scum if FD also isn't town.

Kirby321 posted...

Hmm... he raises a good point. I'm kinda scared of Godfather Pineapple Vendor more than Godfather Lawyer.

The difference is Chang's ability being 3P is completely nonsensical.

Kirby321 posted...

If you're scum, you should shoot Blade. It would be funny. I'll even block Ulti just to ensure Blade dies.

And then FD pops out an ability that still allows him to win a game and we ban you from Mafia for the biggest throw of all time.