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The fact that 61 people are going to end up with a perfect battle bracket is a testament to how horrible this contest has been.

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Well, it was fun while it lasted. Got up to #27 before Ryu/Ken betrayed me.

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LeonhartFour posted...
From: Greyfeld | #044
If you think that the '09 games contest is any indication of rivalry strength
And I don't!

Gee, I never thought of it like that! Your arguments confound me, good sir!

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lol if it means anything, I'm number 1 on the site for banked points :P I decided to bank on Kirby/Sonic..

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If you think that the '09 games contest is any indication of rivalry strength, we might be looking at a the trainers pulling at least a 60-40 over the fighters. It's kinda hard to tell one way or the other, but RBY is just so incredibly popular, and if we consider nintendofaqs and rpgfaqs, any faith I had in the fighters before their round two match is pretty much dead at this point.

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LeonhartFour posted...
I was objecting to the idea that most people would think that was an intelligent idea.

More intelligent than the botch-job they pulled in the attempt to make an actual coherent storyline.

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LeonhartFour posted...
From: Greyfeld | #249
But most of us don't believe that the writers were intelligent enough to pull off something that subtle and interesting.

It's more likely that the writers were just morons.
"Most of us"

right

Excuse me, "most of us don't believe that to be true." And "a subset of those players believe the writers weren't intelligent enough to pull off something that subtle and interesting."

Is that tactful enough for you, Leon?

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Haguile posted...
How would I make a knowledgeable joke when I know so little about ff8 I literally thought Rinoa was like Yuna in personality until I started this playthrough?

But yeah, I honestly had no idea that was an actual theory.

Yeah, the idea is that everything that came after that point is "a dream of what could have been," or "visions from ultimecia of an alternate future" or some such. It's supposed to explain away the fact that there's a lot of character stupidity and plot leaps/inconsistencies. But most of us don't believe that the writers were intelligent enough to pull off something that subtle and interesting.

It's more likely that the writers were just morons.

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I can't believe I missed this contest. I totally loved this one last year.

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kaonashi1 posted...
Right-- in a few cases I'm listing bettors by what I understand to be their main accounts. If I'm in error (or if you wish to be listed specifically by the account you're betting under), please inform me and I'll make the change.

lol I'm not blackmagejawa, I just quoted something he said in my sig.

sorry for the confusion ^_^

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Out of curiosity, is there a reason my name isn't on the list?

I mean, I know I've done horribly, but I didn't see anything that said that only certain people were going to be listed.

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masterplum posted...
are you going to be posting updates of people's money?

Yeah, I was kinda wondering where this was going to be listed.

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ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Greyfeld | #380
Good for you. What's your point?
You may not think that the ability to attract high quality women is a valuable asset, but it is.

Your idea of high quality and my idea of high quality obviously differ greatly.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
Your type of "getting women" is superfluous and unnecessary in my world.

You sure about that? I can get women both as hook-ups and long-term, and they tend to be lookers.

Good for you. What's your point?

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
I don't need to be dominant to feel in-control. I have plenty control over my own actions, that I don't feel the desire to control others'. That's the type of confidence that I stick by, and nothing will change that.

You don't have control over getting women, obviously!

Your type of "getting women" is superfluous and unnecessary in my world.

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neonreaper posted...
so he was sad that someone died and you dumped him I SEE

Obviously, being legitimately sad makes you beta *eyeroll*

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
Question: instead of "faking it 'til you making it," why not just actually become alpha? This is what I've never understood about the other side; I personally enjoy being socially dominant and in-control, and I have no reservations using and exploiting people for this purpose.

I don't need to be dominant to feel in-control. I have plenty control over my own actions, that I don't feel the desire to control others'. That's the type of confidence that I stick by, and nothing will change that.

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wg64Z posted...
Huh, guess that makes you a failure then.

Sure dude, think whatever you want.

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wg64Z posted...
The only one looking like an idiot is you.

So would you say that those relationships were all FAILURES?

Absolutely.

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wg64Z posted...
I wouldn't date a girl that was attracted to me because I acted like a jerkhole, anyway. So this is irrelevant.


So what is your plan? The first chick you start dating will be your wife?

And by the way, you would.

Not that it's any of your business, but I've had my share of relationships. I was actually the one that instigated the breakup of my last relationship.

I know for a fact that I don't have to be a jerk to get attention from women, so your attempts at putting words in my mouth only serves to make you look like more of an idiot than you already currently do.

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ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Greyfeld | #200
"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.
False. It's proven to help sustain lasting relationships as well. You think that girl you attracted by being an alpha is going to stick around after you show her your doughy beta center? Think again.

I wouldn't date a girl that was attracted to me because I acted like a jerkhole, anyway. So this is irrelevant.

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SantaRPG posted...
wg and jaffar do you guys find it odd that in a topic about being defensive you guys are lashing out with the most personal attacks in this arguement (except for greysfield but let's ignore that)

To be fair, I'm trying to avoid personal attacks, and staying on topic. But they make it difficult. I have a rather short temper.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
I mean hes agreed with me in this topic at least 3 times, and then thinks im some idiot? Not sure what the hell is going on with ya man. You seem like u enjoy spirited debates, so props (a lot of b8 doesnt it seems these days). But you also come across as very smug underneath.

I treat personal attacks in a disproportionate-response style: if you insult me, I'll insult you ten times worse. Don't take it personally.

And I'm the most arrogant person probably alive on the planet Earth today. Not even kidding.

Gee, I couldn't tell.

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wg64Z posted...

Honestly I don't care if you don't find her attractive, to me she's the most beautiful woman in the world.

>.< Santa, I hate you now. You lucky *******.


Sorry, NOW it all makes sense. You might as well pack it in, Bosh

Yeah, let's pack it in, these guys like cute, nerdy girls. They'll never be shallow and sex-crazed individuals who only like barbie-dolls like us!!

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lol I just found the edit button xD

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SantaRPG posted...


Honestly I don't care if you don't find her attractive, to me she's the most beautiful woman in the world.

>.< Santa, I hate you now. You lucky *******.

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LeonhartFour posted...
From: Greyfeld | #283
because I don't have that program where I can edit my posts
Editing posts is a standard GameFAQs feature!

There's no "edit" thingy on my page anywhere >.> Or at least, I haven't seen one.

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wg64Z posted...
You know what I meant, Leon.

You can sugarcoat it however you want, but unless you actually said to yourself, "I only need a girlfriend for X number of weeks/months/years, then I can dump her because she'll no longer be useful to me," then you are no more special than the rest of us who have experienced failed relationships.

So what you're saying is people can never change their minds halfway through a relationship? What if I'm deeply in love with someone for a few years then suddenly I have a resounding "meh" feeling towards them. Did it fail then? No, we just grew apart. I'm starting to think you don't want any kind of relationship at all, because you seem deadset on making no effort to finding one.

Thank you for totally putting words in my mouth.

My point is that that situation could have happened no matter how the two people found each other. Regardless of your method, it still ended up as a failed relationship. Which means that your "method" isn't inherently better than mine.

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Greyfeld posted...
SantaRPG posted...
Greyfeld posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

this is the weirdest statement. Two adults can date. Have a good time, and then realize they can't work out in the long run and part ways while still enjoying their time together. If you asked me to erase all my past relationships, I'm sure I wouldn't be in the one I had now.

That's not really what I meant. I just meant that one person's happiness isn't greater than another's, just because he's had more relationships in his lifetime.

And I'm quoting myself here, because I don't have that program where I can edit my posts, but I forgot to add:

Also, even if you've had more long-term relationships than I've had (just saying "if" that were true), it doesn't matter, because all of yours have failed as well (using the universal "you" here), meaning that your way isn't necessarily better than mine.

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SantaRPG posted...
Greyfeld posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

this is the weirdest statement. Two adults can date. Have a good time, and then realize they can't work out in the long run and part ways while still enjoying their time together. If you asked me to erase all my past relationships, I'm sure I wouldn't be in the one I had now.

That's not really what I meant. I just meant that one person's happiness isn't greater than another's, just because he's had more relationships in his lifetime.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

When a hook-up ends, did it "fail"? No; I got what I wanted out of it, namely sex. Similarly, when a long-term relationship ends, it hasn't "failed," because I got what I wanted out of it, namely emotional support and a meaningful relationship for an extended period.

To pretend that all relationships aim at marriage is an outdated ideal.

Not everybody has to end up married. But if you entered the relationship without the express forethought of when you were going to end it, then yes, the relationship failed. You can sugarcoat it however you want, but unless you actually said to yourself, "I only need a girlfriend for X number of weeks/months/years, then I can dump her because she'll no longer be useful to me," then you are no more special than the rest of us who have experienced failed relationships.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
I would argue that it's shallow to change who you are just to get women.

Difference of opinion; fine. My opinion happens to get me both more women and more stable, long-term relationships. But I'm not better than you for employing a more fruitful method to women, just to be clear. I'd encourage you to change your mind, however, once you realize that you're done being a stubborn mule.

If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
Tying this in to what I said above, you've established that improving your courtship skills constitutes "changing yourself" instead of "improving yourself." Again, going back to what I said earlier- which you still haven't bothered to respond to- that's fine; just don't expect many women along the way. And again, what makes your principles so great? Are they really worth sacrificing a potentially blissful union? Are you that shallow?

I would argue that it's shallow to change who you are just to get women.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
What are you talking about? For this entire discussion, you've rallied against the idea of changing your approach to women as "disingenuous." If you want to retreat on that, by all means.

I can still maintain a respectful approach to women and better myself as a person. I can become a better me and not turn into a manipulative, sex-centric douchebag.

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wg64Z posted...
I just did. Really though, be open and honest with new women about your web browser and psp. It's better off to be with someone who takes you for who you are then someone who doesn't right?

Yeah, and while you're at it, why doesn't he share whether he goes righty or lefty as well.

Seriously, you have no concept of moderation. It's either one extreme or the other with you.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
If you're a serial killer, getting women is probably the least of your concerns.

Fair enough. Let's tone down the example then: say you've got some freaky-ass hobby; collecting toenails, torturing insects, etc. What then?

Ultimately, however, this is all irrelevant for the most part. If you really believe that staying "true to yourself" is the most important thing, then have at it, champ. Just don't expect too many women along the way.

Self-improvement and being yourself aren't mutually exclusive.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
I used to feel this way, but time and maturity made me realize how wrong I was. This is a product of the everyone-wins generation, and the fallacy is identified as follows: you might not be perfect as you are. Maybe you *should* be changing yourself to fit the mold. Maybe there's nothing at all wrong with a girl who likes her man to be socially well-adjusted and strong. Perhaps, by clinging tight to your principles, you run the risk of losing out on the love of your life, for the sole reason that you're too lazy or inconsiderate to make basic social adjustments.

Did you just try to tell me that wanting a relationship with somebody who appreciates me for who I am as a person is entitlement??

I've already said that I have no problem with confidence in a social situation. But I sure as hell am not going to change my personality to win over some chick. I'd rather be alone than with somebody who only liked me for who I pretended to be. Screw that noise.

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wg64Z posted...

I'm all for challenges. I just don't put p**** high on my "must have" list. Therefore, I'm not willing to sacrifice my moral center to attain it. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or any of that other crap, I simply prefer to remain who I am. And woman who would throw herself at me because of my fake personality would be boring to me.


So how many women are throwing themselves at you right now?

See, this is my problem. If I said no women are throwing themselves at me right now,what would you say? "It's because you're too beta," right?

What you need to understand is that some of us don't base our self-esteem or life decisions on how much sex we can potentially score at any given time. I've had the occasional opportunity to get some NSA sex, and after the first couple times trying it, I decided that it wasn't something I enjoyed. So, you can take that however the **** you want to.

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wg64Z posted...
"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.

That is so, so not what I was implying. Having a bit of a jerk side DOES help yes, and you'd be foolish to not believe it. But wow, you are truly incapable of taking any kind of helpfull advice aren't you?

Also I bet a vast majority of this board would kill for some "easy sex" whether they want to admit it or not.

I don't know you, and I didn't ask for your advice. So there's no incentive for me to accept what you perceive as constructive criticism.

In any case, I have no problem acting confident, so that's absolutely beside the point.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
It's taking a term and twisting it to describe a phenomenon that's already been well-known for years.

That's what "stipulating" means, yeah. Speaking of "twisting a term," you're making redefining seem like something evil or opportunistic. People do it literally all the time. For example, the word "life" means very different things in religion versus science. Stipulation; learn it, love it.

It's called "If you're confident and treat gullible women like crap, they'll want to sleep with you." All this alpha/beta nonsense is just smoke and mirrors to make it sound more deep and interesting than it really is.

No one's making it seem complicated. It's beautiful in its simplicity, maybe. The problem is that, for most guys, being a consistent alpha is difficult, and if you're anything like me, you love a good challenge.

I'm all for challenges. I just don't put p**** high on my "must have" list. Therefore, I'm not willing to sacrifice my moral center to attain it. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or any of that other crap, I simply prefer to remain who I am. And woman who would throw herself at me because of my fake personality would be boring to me.

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wg64Z posted...
Wow work picked up and I missed out on a lot of good chances to reply.

But what it basically sounds like is that you are all refusing to believe high quality women like a guy who is conisdered alpha. Small niche audience? Give me a break, man...

This all stems back to the original post. People are just not willing at ALL to take any critisism. I am legitimately trying to help you guys out and give you some insight, but clearly I'm a moron and that PERFECT GIRL is out there waiting for you.

"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
Have you heard the term "stipulate" before? Maybe "operationalize"? The words alpha and beta are used in a somewhat unique way when referring to social interaction; that's all there is to it. You're getting upset at people redefining a word to suit a specific context. Calm down.

And again, all I'm doing is telling you the facts of how women operate. The only one with a superiority complex here is you.

It's taking a term and twisting it to describe a phenomenon that's already been well-known for years. It's called "If you're confident and treat gullible women like crap, they'll want to sleep with you." All this alpha/beta nonsense is just smoke and mirrors to make it sound more deep and interesting than it really is.

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And for the record, I don't feel I'm superior to anybody. I don't think my best friend is in the right when he constantly picks up girls that are 7's and 8's, despite already having a girlfriend; but it's his life, and he's welcome to live it however he wants.

Similarly, I would hope that all you "alpha" morons would have the same decency for those of us who choose to relate to women in our own way. But obviously that's not the case.

But I really shouldn't be surprised. The type of person who feeds off this garbage is the exact same type of person who doesn't have respect for other people.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
Speaking of the problems with alpha/beta talk, this is one of them right here. I happen to have a different viewpoint on dating, so that automatically makes me beta? Come on now, really?

It's not a matter of opinion: there are alpha attitudes, and then there are beta attitudes. If you want to dispute which works better, then go right ahead; they are what they are, however.

And the thing is, no amount of logic will ever win this debate, because the people arguing it don't care about logic. They care about feeling superior. And there's this misguided notion that somehow, getting easily-manipulated women to sleep with you makes you superior.

This is entirely about logic- namely, empirical logic. There are patterns of behavior that women predictably fall into, and being able to exploit these gives you power over the opposite gender. This can be used for free sex, sure, but also to acquire a long-term relationship or a lifelong partner. Everything involves game.

Do you even know what alpha/beta means? Alpha is supposed to be the "leader," the "strongest of the pack." The "dominant male." Betas are supposed to be the "second in command," equally powerful, only subordinate to the Alpha (and ready to become Alpha, should something happen to the current Alpha).

In reality, the term Beta has nothing to do with being weak or submissive. He's the man behind the man in charge, the advisor, the vice-president, the First Lieutenant. He's the person that keeps **** going when the leader falls.

That's why this alpha/beta talk is complete garbage. It's a term coined by some lonely individual who's grown so tired of chasing loose women that he's actually created a blog on the subject, to attract other people to his ridiculous cause. This terminology is a way to make you feel superior, despite the fact that all you're really doing is supporting the idea that men and women should manipulate each other and fornicate repeatedly, and anybody who isn't doing the same is somehow inferior to you.

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KingButz posted...
And just to toss in my 2 cents, it's undeniable that most women are attracted to confident, powerful men. It's the same way that most guys are attracted to girls with a blemish-free face and a nice rack/ass. You can argue there are exceptions, but believe me I wouldn't want a girl that wasn't attracted to my confidence.

I don't think any of us are denying the need for confidence. But I'm not into playing head games, and I refuse to date girls who are.

I'll say this again, doormats are bad. But this ros- whatever guy's idea of "alpha" and "beta" has nothing to do with being confident, and everything to do with playing games to score easily-manipulated women.

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KingButz posted...
From: BoshStrikesBack | #160
A guy will get those college aged girls until he turns in his mid to late 30s and then he becomes a "creeper" by even the immature 18 to 22 year old crowd. Yep. Its true. Sorry bro.

The ****? College girls love attractive, suave older guys. The ones calling them "creepers" tend to be the guys who are getting their prey stolen out from under them.
Just look at Barney Stinson. Mid-thirties and still banging college girls

LOL I was just thinking of him.

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ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Greyfeld | #153
lol yeah, I'm sure that'll be rewarding and fulfilling. 40 y/o dude still going to dive bars to hit on girls half his age. Yeah, that won't be creepy or weird at all.
So much documented evidence of 40 year olds with game pulling college girls that it's not funny.

But feel free to continue burying your head in the sand and believing that you'll somehow out-grow your beta tendencies.

Speaking of the problems with alpha/beta talk, this is one of them right here. I happen to have a different viewpoint on dating, so that automatically makes me beta? Come on now, really?

And the thing is, no amount of logic will ever win this debate, because the people arguing it don't care about logic. They care about feeling superior. And there's this misguided notion that somehow, getting easily-manipulated women to sleep with you makes you superior.

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ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Metal_DK | #149
So ya, that tatted up guy at the bar will still get those college aged girls
You mean the most attractive women? The ones I was talking about in the first place?

I know. :)

lol yeah, I'm sure that'll be rewarding and fulfilling. 40 y/o dude still going to dive bars to hit on girls half his age. Yeah, that won't be creepy or weird at all.

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wg64Z posted...
this hasn't been brought up because it has nothing to do with being an alpha or beta.

I'm sorry but that right there is the most Beta thing I've read in this thread yet. Are you kidding me?

There is a huge gap between trying to be as attractive as possible and not being a slob.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

How can keeping yourself well-groomed be attributed solely to alpha behavior?

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Metal_DK posted...
it may not have to do entirely with the everybody wins mentality, but to say it has "absolutely zilch" is beyond ridiculous.

And the everybody wins mentality does exist. Again, look at SC2's big change a few months ago.

I mean that your specific example has absolutely nothing to do with that supposed mentality. I've been in that exact same situation in the past (one B on a straight-A report card, and dad jumps on my case for the B), and I didn't think "but I'm supposed to win!!" I thought "But... everything else was straight A's... that's not fair. I was happy because I got good grades, and he can't even say something nice about it."

When you genuinely do well, and get crushed regardless, it has nothing to do with feeling you should win. It has to do with being given the recognition you deserve for your effort. When a child does well and the effort isn't recognized, it tends to create psychological issues that cause them to act out. The "Well, I'm going to get yelled at either way," mentality is really common in these situations.

Like I said before, having emotions and emotional needs isn't the same thing as needing to be coddled.

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