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While I am very excited about seeing the finished product for WRP, I am a little skeptical.

Part of what makes wrestling such a unique performance art is that you can't script it.

Well I mean you can, but the entire foundation of the "sport" is working the crowd, and real crowds can't always be predicted that precisely.

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Like Playmakers but wrestling basically?

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It is what it says it is (or rather it WILL BE whenever it finally gets released)

"WRP is a 13-episode seasonal concept built on wrestling storytelling with a complete three act narrative structure. Cutting the cord completely from the modern wrestling industry chronology, it's the launch of a new universe with new characters and new rules. WRP aims to combine modern, relevant themes with compelling in-ring storytelling to create a unique wrestling television experience."

It's kinda what you want, in that it's a Cable Network-style take on wrestling built over a TV season with everything intricately scripted to guide this cast of characters through their story arcs.

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From: ScareChan | #453
How successful do you think an HBO type of wrestling program would be? It would be heavily story driven, but all in ring action would in theory be great due to the fact they could script every portion. (Also there could be some diva on diva action but thats beside the point)

I think if they had some solid wrestling stars and really skilled workers scripting the matches it would be amazing

http://www.wrestlingretributionproject.com/

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From: Lopen | #447
Like where are they actually trying to go with this?

They're trying to set up doubt and confusion about what she'll do as Special Guest Ref.

From: SmartMuffin | #450
Do you think you've watched more episodes than Michael Cole? Than JR? Than Vince McMahon?

I sure as hell remember more episodes than Vince!

But no, I have not seen more episodes than Vince. Let's be on the conservative side and say I've seen 900 of them. Vince has been at every Raw aside from a 2-month span in 1994 where he was busy with the steroid trials, and an extremely sparse handful here and there otherwise.

I'm sure I've seen more than Cole since he was hired in 1996, and I doubt he was a huge fan beforehand. That's over 150 episodes missed right there even if he's seen every episode since he was hired (and with a huge chunk of his career spent on SD, that's no given).

JR is a tough one. Raw had been on the air for 3 months before he was poached from WCW and brought over to WWE, but I dunno if I can count those 3 months as misses. He seems like the type that would keep up. But then you have all the Raws he missed due to Belll's Palsy, and then all the Raws since he got kayfabe fired (minus the handful he was still on). I'm going to surmise that JR has seen more Raws than I have.

One out of three ain't bad.

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Well, I'd have to go back and re-watch everything between WMX and WMXII to be sure, but once I did that I can honestly say I've seen every episode of Raw already.

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I have absolutely nothing to do before Raw.

So come join my "Intercontinental Title Changes" synchtube!

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Damn that Eric Bischoff!

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I still don't get Nash's character motivation.

Step 1.
Win 60 man Battle Royal

Step 2.
Defeat the Undefeated Goldberg to win World Championship

Step 3.
...give Title to Hogan and become underling again.

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To re-unite the splintered nWo factions under one nWo Elite banner.

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JR blogs about things that annoy him:

The inane use of the term "PUSH" from fans who likely don't know what it truly means and feel that "PUSH" is the magic word that cures all ills with why one of their favorites isn't in the spotlight. The overall talent base in the business in general is so thin that I ASSURE you that if athletes distinguish themselves regularly enough that they will be noticed and utilized.

Poor Ryder. :-(

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From: TheCapisBack | #402
GTM posted...

I always thought that if Eddie ever goes to the WWE, he'd just be another Evan Bourne.

Your reaction:

One Week Eddie Edwards shows up as Evan Bourne and no one mentions the difference.

I think this is a legitimate option.

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To his credit though, Elgin is legitimately probably about as strong as Ryback.

It takes some badass strength to pull off some of the stuff he does. His last match he had a guy on the apron in the corner, and he stood on the middle rope in the ring and did a deadlift superplex and I leapt out of my chair.

He big, he strong, but he ain't got no cuts.

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Too bad it was a text message and not social media.

Nash's "Fingerpoke of Doom" is historically the symbol of WCW's fall. He could have paired that with the "Facebook Poke of Doom" to kickstart WWE's downfall. <_<

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They would have blown that off at Summerslam anyway.

Do you REALLY think WWE has that kind of patience? They're kinda forced into it with Rock and Brock and they suck at it.

Bringing Punk back for Summerslam was a minor problem in the grand scheme of things. The bigger issue was turning the Summer of Punk into the "Who texted Kevin Nash?" saga. If they had kept the focus on Punk and Cena and sweeping changes in WWE rippling from Punk's win, then it still works even with Punk only missing a week.

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Again, the problem is SIZE. Elgin is a BEAST in ROH, but take him to WWE and he's suddenly middle of the pack. He's intimidating to guys like Richards who are under 6'0" but stand him to next to Ryback and its a joke.

He would basically be to WWE what Mike Mondo is to ROH, gimmick wise.

Bryan is an exceptional, exceptional case, and if he wasn't literally THE best in-ring worker in the world it might not have happened for him.

Kyle O'Reilly could flourish in the X-Division by bringing a different style and standing out, but I really struggle to see him reaching any higher.

Adam Cole I fully admit could be a megastar. The literal babyface, the outgoing personality, the athleticism, the awesome attitude--IF ROH can hold onto him they might strike gold, but that's a big if.

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LOL just imagine that brutal match from last Sunday with Colt's goofy spots mixed in.

The rumor mill (and Steen in his worked shoots) says that this is pretty much WHY they don't give Colt the Generico treatment: Cornette doesn't like Colt's comedy spots and doesn't think they can work within ROH's WrestlingIsSerious image.

I mean, Generico is a goofy, goofy character but against every ounce of logic in the world he SOMEHOW does drama and grudge feuds very well.

I know Colt has as well in the past but I don't think Colt WANTS to anymore.

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Sure, but the fact that ROH still does book Generico sometimes, while they literally NEVER use Colt, says a lot to me about how they view Generico moving forward versus what role they would want Colt to play if they had him. They're willing to make concessions to keep Generico happy.

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As far as Colt goes I don't think it's so much that they can't afford him, it's more that he doesn't want to be tied down by them. Since they got bought by Sinclair they have made the effort to lock everyone up under contract to where THEY control their outside bookings. Colt is pretty much the one guy on the indies who can look at that and say "No, I can't agree to that" and be better off for it. WWE is the only company he would "sell out" for. He's doing better on his own than he would be doing in ROH, financially, and he can wrestle pretty much wherever he wants.

EDIT: Wow that sounds really contradictory, lol. I mean that they don't have plans for him as a main eventer so they won't pay him main event money. It's not that they CAN'T pay him main event money if they really wanted to though. I would guess he and Davey are both doing just as well as each other right now.

I'm not sure WHAT the deal with Generico is. They do book him from time to time but he also takes bookings in the Gabe feds which is really weird. I have to believe he's a big part of their future but not of their present, so he's got the leverage right now.

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From: Wanglicious | #361
yeah, ROH does have some notable talent still within it that's growing that you didn't mention (Cole, O'Reilly, Eddie, Elgin) but much of that will be picked up too.

Adam Cole is a diamond in the rough to be sure.

The rest are pretty much "ROH guys" who pretty much have a ceiling in the X-Division. If Eddie worked really hard on his charisma I could see him as a borderline IC/US guy.

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He might make a good color commentator if he wanted to go that route.

Hell I'd pay to see him replace Taz.

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And Steen is indie for life unless he can find a role as a manager or in a tag team.

Even when he's in shape he doesn't have "the look."

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From: Rad Link 5 | #353
WWE doesn't usually seem to discriminate too much between "big" and "fat."

With Triple H making the hiring decisions they will.

I believe I've said this before, but one of the major differences between Vince and Triple H is how they view size. They both cream themselves over a big buff guy like Batista, but as a second choice Trips prefers a small toned guy while Vince prefers a big fatso.

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Just to wash some of the bad Madden taste out of my mouth, I will say that the column is still trolling in its purest form: something meant to not be constructive but instead to merely draw the ire of people. It's not about the truthfulness of your words, it's the intent behind how you deliver your message that makes you a heel, and Mark Madden is certainly a real life heel.

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Another Twitter war. This time it's the controversial Mark Madden vs. former cheerleader Mike Mondo over the health of ROH as a company.

Long story short (and I am filling in some massive blanks here because Madden's prose is s***), Madden wrote a column wondering how ROH can survive as a "#3" National promotion when they clearly cannot pass (or even come close to) drawing the same kind of money TNA does, with talent that constantly gets purged. He likened it to ECW getting too big for its britches and basically going national at the worst possible time, since WWE and WCW had already taken all the talent that was worth taking.

A fair point. It's one thing to be small time and accept it. Tour the northeast and midwest, sell out your core markets a few times a year, don't over-extend yourself locking down talent or trying to conquer new land. You can survive and maybe even make a living that way, as CHIKARA is currently proving.

But what ROH is doing now under Sinclair is heavily reminiscent of ECW on TNN. All the charismatic guys are gone, and they're left with "good workers" (ROH) or "Hardcore brawlers" (ECW) who can't make it in WWE or TNA because they lack presence. To ROH's credit, they've lucked out a little with Davey and Steen in that those are two guys WITH presence that can't make it in WWE or TNA for size reasons (and completely different size reasons at that. <_<). ECW in its final years had no one like those two. The rest of the rosters though? Pretty comparable. And yet they're trying to become bigger than ever in scope, when their best days as a product are long gone.

Potentially fatal mistake.

So anyway, Madden points this out and all the ROHbots and even ROH wrestlers (most notably Mondo) jump down his throat about how ROH is awesome and it's the best wrestling on the planet, yada yada lena yada, which is basically a strawman.

Madden: "ROH can't survive financially like this."
ROHbots: "F*** YOU u fat slob ROH rules!"
Madden: "If it rules so much why isn't it making money?"
ROHbots: "What do you know about making money you fat f***?"

and so on and so on.

I hate to side with Madden but I think he wins this one.

Talent beats Hard Work every time.

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Breakfast is ruined

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I vote TLC.

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I just thought it was an appropriate link to bring back.

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http://wrestlingisserious.com/

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What are you supposed to "do" if you're on the higher-functioning end of the autistic spectrum? Would getting an actual professional diagnosis actually lead to anything productive to help cope with the hang-ups?

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Your Aspie score: 134 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 74 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

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And of course Rampage Jackson

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Heath Herring has a more ridiculous haircut than Heath Slater.

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From: TimJab | #322
nobuhiko takada

Any MMA match featuring Takada should be taken with heavy skepticism.

Though if he lost by getting his face kicked in then I guess that answers that.

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From: MartinFF7 | #318
But then the guy presses charges on Del Rio for assault and WWE has egg all over their faces... he can claim his brutality was in self-defence and it wasn't part of the script...

Anyone properly trained in amateur wrestling and jiu-jitsu should be able to manhandle an untrained guy down for a three count without like breaking his arm or busting his face up.

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If Cro Cop runs in and steals Money in the Bank then I say run with it as an angle.

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From: MartinFF7 | #303
What if they refuse to get pinned so there's a real, brutal physical confrontation going on a live episode of Raw (like Jeff Hardy vs. Sting is Hardy was on bath salts instead of whatever he was on)?

Send Del Rio in there to do it and Del Rio will legit kick most regular sized guys' asses.

Now, if it was like Big Show who was trying to pull this stunt, then...umm....

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MARTIN'D

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From: MartinFF7 | #299
Or would they just pretend there's no MITB contract, like, forget the match ever happened and we never see that person on tv again?

"Tyson Kidd died on the way back to his home planet."

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If they are even semi-serious about a Kidd push, he needs a new theme. This old heel theme ain't cutting it:


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From: edwardsdv | #288
Christian on the other hand, there is an interesting character dilemma this presents. Sheamus is the current Randy Orton. Can he really continue being a good guy when presented with his chance to get that title he once coveted so much is RIGHT THERE for the taking. I think its potentially the most interesting winner plot they can run for either match so far.

Agreed. I've always loved the idea of Christian + MitB since it's the physical manifestation of ONE. MORE. MATCH.

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Yeah, I'm not sure if Twitter is the proper forum for handling this.

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From: edwardsdv | #283
I'm saying i take issue with the assertion that he was the most relevant in the last year. He was really relevant for a month and has been the like 3rd or so most relevant guy in his own company.

Yeah but he was more relevant for that one month than anyone has been in years.

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https://twitter.com/TheRealXPac/status/219492156077912064

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X-Pac is currently having a Twitter war with the man who molested him as a child.

...awkward.

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Once Bryan's done with the main event they could actually do a Bryan vs. Kidd feud.

Disciple of Bret vs. Disciple of Shawn.

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Hell, Alex Riley is STILL MEGA OVER just based on that one feud with Miz, even after being on Superstars job duty for 10 months.

It's really the role Miz was born to play!

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Feuding with Kidd right now does Cody no favors, and right now Cody should be higher priority than Kidd.

This is something Miz would be perfect for. His mic skills can get people behind Kidd very easily, and there's no harm in jobbing Miz out.

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Don't forget that it's kayfabe though.

It doesn't matter the card placement. Successful defenses against Styles, Hardy, Storm, Bully, RVD, Sting, and Anderson vs. successful defenses against Cena, Miz, Del Rio, Dolph, Jericho, Bryan, Henry, Kane, and an Elimination Chamber. That's an edge to Punk.

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Going back to "best debut matches," I can't believe I f***ing forgot REY MYSTERIO JR.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ks4p_dean-malenko-vs-rey-mysterio-jr-gab_sport

Instant Superstar.

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