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XIII_rocks
07/02/12 9:32:00 PM
#451:


From: SmartMuffin | #448
That must have been one HELL of a crossbody that Punk and Bryan were going for, because after hitting each other with them, they both stayed down for like three ****ing minutes while AJ set up her table and climbed the turnbuckle.

Yeah, I said this. They should have both been counted out really

Also I seem to like Raws that have a strong focus on one person throughout. I remember the Raw about 2 weeks before TLC where a huge part of it was about Ryder getting his US title shot, and "Oh Radio" played about 4 times (he faced Cena, lost, got a second match with Henry, won, then interfered in Ziggler's match with Sheamus and beat up on him). A lot of tonight was "the AJ show" and it kept me very interested - while still having enough other stuff going on for her to not get too much.

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Lopen
07/02/12 9:35:00 PM
#452:


You know AJ is kinda like the new Zack Ryder in some ways when I think about it.

Once this storyline is over she fades into obscurity for months.

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ScareChan
07/02/12 9:38:00 PM
#453:


How successful do you think an HBO type of wrestling program would be? It would be heavily story driven, but all in ring action would in theory be great due to the fact they could script every portion. (Also there could be some diva on diva action but thats beside the point)

I think if they had some solid wrestling stars and really skilled workers scripting the matches it would be amazing

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 9:40:00 PM
#454:


From: Lopen | #447
Like where are they actually trying to go with this?

They're trying to set up doubt and confusion about what she'll do as Special Guest Ref.

From: SmartMuffin | #450
Do you think you've watched more episodes than Michael Cole? Than JR? Than Vince McMahon?

I sure as hell remember more episodes than Vince!

But no, I have not seen more episodes than Vince. Let's be on the conservative side and say I've seen 900 of them. Vince has been at every Raw aside from a 2-month span in 1994 where he was busy with the steroid trials, and an extremely sparse handful here and there otherwise.

I'm sure I've seen more than Cole since he was hired in 1996, and I doubt he was a huge fan beforehand. That's over 150 episodes missed right there even if he's seen every episode since he was hired (and with a huge chunk of his career spent on SD, that's no given).

JR is a tough one. Raw had been on the air for 3 months before he was poached from WCW and brought over to WWE, but I dunno if I can count those 3 months as misses. He seems like the type that would keep up. But then you have all the Raws he missed due to Belll's Palsy, and then all the Raws since he got kayfabe fired (minus the handful he was still on). I'm going to surmise that JR has seen more Raws than I have.

One out of three ain't bad.

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ninkendo
07/02/12 9:43:00 PM
#455:


but who has spent the most amount of episodes in the Cole Mine?!

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Lopen
07/02/12 9:44:00 PM
#456:


They're trying to set up doubt and confusion about what she'll do as Special Guest Ref.

I mean on the grand scheme of things. Is the entire payout of this storyline "AJ is a special guest ref with a random element to add to the match?"

Like what are they building to? It's like the various Johnny Ace storylines where it seemed to be about building him up more than about the other guys. The net result of this seems to make AJ relevant, but that's not a great thing to use your main event scene on for two months unless she's going to take a major role as a main event manager soon, which would actually be pretty cool to be fair. But I have my doubts that's the point!

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 9:45:00 PM
#457:


From: ScareChan | #453
How successful do you think an HBO type of wrestling program would be? It would be heavily story driven, but all in ring action would in theory be great due to the fact they could script every portion. (Also there could be some diva on diva action but thats beside the point)

I think if they had some solid wrestling stars and really skilled workers scripting the matches it would be amazing


http://www.wrestlingretributionproject.com/

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ScareChan
07/02/12 10:00:00 PM
#458:


From: Jakyl25 | #457
From: ScareChan | #453
How successful do you think an HBO type of wrestling program would be? It would be heavily story driven, but all in ring action would in theory be great due to the fact they could script every portion. (Also there could be some diva on diva action but thats beside the point)

I think if they had some solid wrestling stars and really skilled workers scripting the matches it would be amazing


http://www.wrestlingretributionproject.com/



Not exactly what I was thinking of but definitely piquing my interest. If you are following it could you tell me more about it

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 10:04:00 PM
#459:


It is what it says it is (or rather it WILL BE whenever it finally gets released)

"WRP is a 13-episode seasonal concept built on wrestling storytelling with a complete three act narrative structure. Cutting the cord completely from the modern wrestling industry chronology, it's the launch of a new universe with new characters and new rules. WRP aims to combine modern, relevant themes with compelling in-ring storytelling to create a unique wrestling television experience."

It's kinda what you want, in that it's a Cable Network-style take on wrestling built over a TV season with everything intricately scripted to guide this cast of characters through their story arcs.

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ScareChan
07/02/12 10:05:00 PM
#460:


Oh well then when its released if you could give me a headsup.

My mental image is more like a gritty version of Randy Orton in the back threatining some dude he doesnt like and then by the end of the episode they duke it out.

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Rad Link 5
07/02/12 10:06:00 PM
#461:


If that means the story will have actual character development and closure, then I am interested.

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 10:06:00 PM
#462:


Like Playmakers but wrestling basically?

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Rad Link 5
07/02/12 10:06:00 PM
#463:


From: Lopen | #452
You know AJ is kinda like the new Zack Ryder in some ways when I think about it.

Once this storyline is over she fades into obscurity for months.

No way! Everyone has crowned her the Cena of the Divas division!

She's going to lose matches to Trish Stratus and Kharma higher up on the card than the Diva's Championship!

Also AJ IS YOUR NEW QUEEN DIVA after pinning Vickie tonight. Hail AJ.

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ScareChan
07/02/12 10:10:00 PM
#464:


I don't know what Playmakers is.

But I am pretty sure that there would have to be at least one Candace Michelle sexes up Trish Stratus scene per episode or equivalant >_>

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Rad Link 5
07/02/12 10:12:00 PM
#465:


From: ScareChan | #464
But I am pretty sure that there would have to be at least one Candace Michelle sexes up Trish Stratus scene per episode or equivalant >_>

This sounds like Babes of Sin City with a budget.

Crap, I missed an opportunity to make another NWWL joke. Gotta remember to keep hyping that up.

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 10:18:00 PM
#466:


While I am very excited about seeing the finished product for WRP, I am a little skeptical.

Part of what makes wrestling such a unique performance art is that you can't script it.

Well I mean you can, but the entire foundation of the "sport" is working the crowd, and real crowds can't always be predicted that precisely.

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Lopen
07/02/12 10:31:00 PM
#467:


The main thing that has me skeptical of that is whether they're going to make it feel like a wrestling show, or make it feel like a show about wrestling. I don't even mean that I think they're going to like, have "shoots" and stuff and treat the business like a business with excess backstage crap. I just mean that even if it takes the approach that the show itself is "real" is it going to feel like a wrestling show? Even beyond the basic crowd stuff, is the format going to be closer to a wrestling show or a drama with wrestling matches thrown in.

Like an an example:

Wrestling show starts with guys having a dispute backstage, authority figure making match (or the match being booked/hyped beforehand if you don't want an authority), that's the main event, then the guys take shots at each other over the course of the show, and the match happens.
Drama show with wrestling starts with guys having having a dispute backstage, constantly taking shots at each other over the course of the show, and then they build the rivalry, and then towards the end of the show after some pushing from their friends they head to the ring to resolve this LIKE MEN and the match finishes up the episode.

Like one feels like a story with wrestling as the way for resolution, whereas the other one legit is structured like a wrestling show. I'm sure there are better ways to describe this and the second example could theoretically happen on a wrestling show but uh... I think you guys know what I mean?

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ScareChan
07/02/12 10:33:00 PM
#468:


Well in my vision I imagine the key visual difference is just higher production quality. Matches would take place in front of real crowds, but it would be more like pieces from the same two guys having the same match like 3 or 4 different times to get the cleanest one. like if they filmed every house show and made the perfect match.

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 10:40:00 PM
#469:


Here's some supplemental material for the WRP universe ("universe" in the comic book sense of the term, not WWE Universe <_<) they've just started releasing. Doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual WRP show directly, and it's a completely different tone style-wise, but it's fleshing out the world a bit.

"The Underground" Episode 1


"The Underground" Episode 2



Who knew Nick Jackson was a better actor than Matt Jackson? I can't say I would have called that.

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JaKyL25
07/02/12 10:49:00 PM
#470:


Yeah, they've said that if they were to do a season two it would definitely be set in the same universe but would probably feature a completely different cast of characters.

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Lopen
07/02/12 10:50:00 PM
#471:


Well if they fixed the ZOOM IN ZOOM IN ZOOM IN camera and the one man "is this a video game" announce team that could be okay. Maybe.

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Rad Link 5
07/02/12 10:59:00 PM
#472:


Editing matches and crowd reactions goes a long way towards killing my interest in wrestling (it's a big part of the reason I just can't care about SmackDown a lot of the time). The one thing that interests me about that WRP is the idea that they can tell a story with a clearly defined beginning, middle, and end, and not have to worry about maintaining the universe beyond that.

Also I'm curious what they will/would do when/if someone gets injured.

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Rad Link 5
07/02/12 11:21:00 PM
#473:


I don't suppose anyone here has the chat log from the Raw last year where Punk gave his shoot promo, do they? Or any of the logs from the PPV/go-home Raw?

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07/02/12 11:52:00 PM
#474:


I think I was the one who gave them 2 points in the last Jakyl awards >_>;

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XIII_rocks
07/03/12 3:24:00 AM
#475:


Rad Link 5 posted...
I don't suppose anyone here has the chat log from the Raw last year where Punk gave his shoot promo, do they? Or any of the logs from the PPV/go-home Raw?


I do, yeah.

My b8watchesraw chat log got so big it took me about 15 minutes to open it, so I copy-pasted them into 4 or 5 separate wordpad files and deleted it. But I have everything since like May of last year, bar a few weeks where I didn't use my own laptop and used meebo instead.

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JaKyL25
07/03/12 8:24:00 AM
#476:


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Jericho's new Twitter avatar, replacing his eyeroll from last week.

I think he really IS just going out there and trying to hit one funny facial expression per show for his own bemusement.

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SmartMuffin
07/03/12 8:30:00 AM
#477:


From: Lopen | #456
They're trying to set up doubt and confusion about what she'll do as Special Guest Ref.

I mean on the grand scheme of things. Is the entire payout of this storyline "AJ is a special guest ref with a random element to add to the match?"

Like what are they building to? It's like the various Johnny Ace storylines where it seemed to be about building him up more than about the other guys. The net result of this seems to make AJ relevant, but that's not a great thing to use your main event scene on for two months unless she's going to take a major role as a main event manager soon, which would actually be pretty cool to be fair. But I have my doubts that's the point!


Totally with you on this. As much as I loved the AJ thing at first, it seems to be going nowhere and getting WAY too many resources devoted to it with no real end goal in sight.

Also, I'm getting a little sick of YES! as well. *ducks*

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WarThaNemesis2
07/03/12 8:32:00 AM
#478:


Honestly, AJ is the only thing I pay attention to when it comes to Raw, so if they're determined to make the show slowly 3 hours of AJ they might success in getting me to watch again.

I am now accepting donations to the "Care about X's segments so he/she'll get more screen time" Fund.

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/03/12 8:37:00 AM
#479:


I just realized Kidd got a jobber entrance yesterday... and won.

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DeathChicken
07/03/12 8:42:00 AM
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FFDragon
07/03/12 8:44:00 AM
#481:


Things I care about on RAW

1. AJ
2. Heath Slater

what the **** is going on in this bizarro world

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/03/12 8:45:00 AM
#482:


You should be caring about Chris Jericho!

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FFDragon
07/03/12 8:46:00 AM
#483:


He's just here to be jobber to the stars and make funny faces. And get in catchphrase-offs with DBD.

Which admittedly is a pretty good deal. He can be number 3.

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DeathChicken
07/03/12 8:46:00 AM
#484:


I had a crazy idea watching last night that one of these times, Doink should come out for his usual jobbin', but then it turns out it's Matt Bourne under there and he starts kicking everyone's ass. It would play right into his Evil Doink character

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Kinglicious
07/03/12 8:51:00 AM
#485:


Evan Bourne: Master of clowning

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SmartMuffin
07/03/12 8:55:00 AM
#486:


Next week, Heath Slater is going to be in the ring giving a promo about how he's so great, he takes people souls.

Then The Undertaker comes out.

Then Heath Slater wins via roll-up.

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JaKyL25
07/03/12 8:57:00 AM
#487:


Someone on PWB had the idea for Slater to come out and say:

"Every week I come out here and every week some old legend comes out to beat me up. Vader, Sid, DDP...I mean who's next!?"

And then he IMMEDIATELY realizes his fatal mistake.

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Achromatic
07/03/12 8:57:00 AM
#488:


From: Jakyl25 | #487
Someone on PWB had the idea for Slater to come out and say:

"Every week I come out here and every week some old legend comes out to beat me up. Vader, Sid, DDP...I mean who's next!?"

And then he IMMEDIATELY realizes his fatal mistake.


Haha, that is great.

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SmartMuffin
07/03/12 8:57:00 AM
#489:


nonononononono, I meant to say WHO'S FIRST

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TheCapisBack
07/03/12 8:58:00 AM
#490:


SmartMuffin posted...
From: Lopen | #456
They're trying to set up doubt and confusion about what she'll do as Special Guest Ref.

I mean on the grand scheme of things. Is the entire payout of this storyline "AJ is a special guest ref with a random element to add to the match?"

Like what are they building to? It's like the various Johnny Ace storylines where it seemed to be about building him up more than about the other guys. The net result of this seems to make AJ relevant, but that's not a great thing to use your main event scene on for two months unless she's going to take a major role as a main event manager soon, which would actually be pretty cool to be fair. But I have my doubts that's the point!


Totally with you on this. As much as I loved the AJ thing at first, it seems to be going nowhere and getting WAY too many resources devoted to it with no real end goal in sight.

Also, I'm getting a little sick of YES! as well. *ducks*


The WWE? Running something into the ground? Surely you jest!

The final segment last night actually featured them running two decent ideas into the ground simultaneously. That's talent!

For my money, The ONLY thing last night worth seeing was the Heath Slater segment and maybe the opening segment. That was okay too.

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TheCapisBack
07/03/12 9:00:00 AM
#491:


Jakyl25 posted...
Someone on PWB had the idea for Slater to come out and say:

"Every week I come out here and every week some old legend comes out to beat me up. Vader, Sid, DDP...I mean who's next!?"

And then he IMMEDIATELY realizes his fatal mistake.


Then he laughs when nothing happens for a minute.

THEN Goldbergs music hits. OR just someone completely different. Just teasing Goldberg is moment enough.

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JaKyL25
07/03/12 9:02:00 AM
#492:


"I'm Heath Slater and I'm the best superstar on the roster. PROVE ME WRONG!"

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JaKyL25
07/03/12 9:06:00 AM
#493:


The top two trends on Twitter right now:
#FakeWWERumors
#JohnCenaInspiredUsInSoManyWays

Somewhat related to each other.

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WarThaNemesis2
07/03/12 9:07:00 AM
#494:


Jakyl25 posted...
The top two trends on Twitter right now:
#FakeWWERumors
#JohnCenaInspiredUsInSoManyWays

Somewhat related to each other.


Twitter now shows trends by default based on what you like. Neither of those are trending worldwide.

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JaKyL25
07/03/12 9:09:00 AM
#495:


Oh that's silly. Changed it back to Worldwide.

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JaKyL25
07/03/12 9:13:00 AM
#496:


- As was reported yesterday, WWE tried to get Bruno Sammartino to agree to be inducted into next year's WWE Hall of Fame as a headliner, only to have Sammartino's people issue a statement denying it once news broke.

According to reports, Triple H actually called Sammartino to convince him to accept the offer. Sammartino has serious and long-standing issues with Vince McMahon so Triple H contacted him and told him not to worry about Vince, and to think about his legacy and educating today's audience about his career instead. Bruno was said to be "not impressed."

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter



How dare he blow off Triple H!

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FFDragon
07/03/12 9:15:00 AM
#497:


Bruno/HHH at Wrestlemania.

Book it.

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TheCapisBack
07/03/12 9:15:00 AM
#498:


Jakyl25 posted...
- As was reported yesterday, WWE tried to get Bruno Sammartino to agree to be inducted into next year's WWE Hall of Fame as a headliner, only to have Sammartino's people issue a statement denying it once news broke.

According to reports, Triple H actually called Sammartino to convince him to accept the offer. Sammartino has serious and long-standing issues with Vince McMahon so Triple H contacted him and told him not to worry about Vince, and to think about his legacy and educating today's audience about his career instead. Bruno was said to be "not impressed."

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter



How dare he blow off Triple H!


I've heard bruno talk about this before. I really cant imagine he ever goes into the Hall of fame willingly.

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WarThaNemesis2
07/03/12 9:15:00 AM
#499:


Bruno will never stop owning. He's going to get that WWE Hall of Fame building one day.

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DeathChicken
07/03/12 9:16:00 AM
#500:


Next week, Ryback squashes an old guy named Bruto Mammarstino

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