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which is why you're building a psychological profile on a girl from incomplete, second-hand information. gotcha!

We never have complete information about a person- not even ourselves. Still, the information the TC gave is more than enough to form a reasonable guess about who this person is. And of course there's always the small chance that she's really all that! I'm just recommending he keeps his feet on the ground; as someone who's been in similar situations before, a bit of caution can't hurt.

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Christ WVI, what's going on? It's all good man, relax.

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Episode 1: Mare in the Moon Pt. 1

In the beginning... there was Trollestia.

As the first episode of the series, Mare in the Moon Pt. 1 reeks of exposition. Though necessary for developing the story, the mythology of Equestria is delivered heavy-handedly and comes across as a bit cheeseball; thankfully, this corniness dies down until part two! The introductions of the main cast are brief, but effective, and we get small snapshots into each character with surprising depth. Funny enough, the two ponies that made the strongest impression the first time around- Rainbow Dash and Applejack- ended up being my two least favorite of the mane cast. Thankfully, Pinkie is as awesome here as she always is!

It's interesting going back to the first episode, now knowing more about the characters, and recognizing hints about how they'd develop. Spike, for example, is already smitten with Moondance; Celestia is already tricking ponies in order to teach them lessons; Pinkie Pie is already completely off her rocker, as demonstrated by her freakout when she first sees Twilight; and the list goes on. And of course, pony puns galore! Interesting observation: at one point, Spike says "Rude, much?" Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I believe that's something you only say on the internet. Maybe some unintentional foreshadowing about the unexpected colt following! All in all, a solid first episode.

Bosh's Rating: 3 Bro-hooves out of 5

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I want to respond to this seriously, but I just can't see myself wasting the effort. So instead I'll just say: Not all girls are the same.

And not all girls are precious, special little snowflakes. Like it or not, women- and people in general, for that matter- follow clear, predictable patterns. No guarantees, but certainly probabilities. You're free to dismiss my comment as nonsense, but you'll also be dismissing the disciplines of sociology, psychology, and behavioral economics in their entirety. It doesn't have to be complicated: people are simple.

That said, I'm not trying to be pessimistic; just realistic.

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So vegetarians, what say you to the empirically proven, peer-reviewed work of Jagadish Chandra Bose, who in the early 1900s discovered that plants do, in fact, respond to external stimuli and show similar responses to being wounded as animals? I'm just saying, plants feel pain just like animals do and you should feel like a jerk for eating them.

Curious about this. Aversion/inclination is found even in single-celled amoeba, but the difference between that and pain/pleasure is sentience, no? How does the research on plants account for that?

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You've already gotten plenty of encouragement, so let me give you a word of caution. Ask yourself: why is this girl so eager to meet someone she only knows online? I'm sure you're a great guy, but it's rare for "the perfect girl" to willingly meet up with someone she knows so little about. Most likely, she's got serious insecurity problems. That horny comment in particular is a red flag. Most great girls are hesitant to date even guys they know well personally, so I'm led to believe that she's likely clingy, desperate, depressed, and/or rebounding from a previous relationship.

Still, no reason you can't have a good time; just go in with reasonable expectations. Best of luck.

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Began watching this series around a week ago, absolutely plowed through it like SMuffin plows through reasonable political opinions, and now find myself in a situation of pony withdrawal. Like most bronies, I can attest to how I never thought I'd find myself here, but here I am nonetheless.

In honor of this new addiction, I'll be watching through the series again! Expect in-depth write-ups, ratings, humorous insights, and all things alpha male. And while I'm doing that, use this topic as a way to throw in your own views (or criticize mine!).

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it's not about a fringe possibility of being raped, or a fear of karma. it's a realization that people besides me are living creatures and can feel pain/have desires/whatever. most people call that empathy.

Having an empathetic impulse is not the same as having a moral obligation. One is just a blind feeling, the other a rational justification for the "rightness" of a behavior. Still waiting for a reason why animals deserve special treatment just because they "feel pain."

Glad you agree.

Ha! There was more to my point than that, but I like your style.

Farm animals are now an artifact of the past in our human history. We continue to use farm animals for food sources because people like the taste, or they don't want to get nutrients from other sources.

You didn't answer my original question: if a pound of meats is more costly to produce than a pound of plants, why did we become omnivores in the first place? The answer your argument seems to miss is that has a ton more fat, protein, etc. for cheap compared to plants, things that are essential to survive (especially short-term, which is why cavemen ancestors loved animal bone marrow); most importantly, meat has more calories!

In other words, a vegetarian diet is more time-consuming, more costly, is disproportionately difficult for the lower classes, and removes a tremendous pleasure- eating meat- from the human pallette.

Now, here's a question for you from a physics angle, rather than a biology one. As you should know, matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. How do you explain a cow having more meat in pounds than what you give it in feed?

Simple: plants have plenty of things we don't need short-ten, whereas meat is rich in fats and calories. Animal flesh gives people instant access to lots of key nutrients that plants don't, at least not without a ton of time and disposable income to spare.

How about if someone goes and throws a bunch of newborn kittens off a building for fun? If that person feels like they enjoyed it more than the animals that suffered to bring that enjoyment, is it then moral?

I already mentioned this: it's in society's best interest to curb this type of behavior, as it leads to violent acts against other people more often tha not. But no, nothing is "intrinsically" immoral with killing cats- or anything, for that matter. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a moral relativist who values human life first. If you want to keep the morality argument going, give me a basis for the morality of saving animals beyon emotional appeals.

You should consciously make every effort you can to reduce the suffering of others, whether it is humans or animals.

Typical utilitarian argument, but unfortunately I am not a utilitarian, nor do I see any reason to become one. Why should I concern myself with "total pain/pleasure"? Why not just human pain/pleasure?

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lol the older brother likes mlp more than his younger sister. says a lot about the show!

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I do not know how your sentience affects whether you can accept pain. There is no proof that you can feel pain that I can see. You could just be no different from a machine. Therefore, I should be able to eat you.

This is true: if you don't value human life, then you're free to try and eat me, much like since I don't value animal life, I eat animals. You'll be facing jail time, however, since more people agree with me!

this is where my rape analogy is useful again. I don't have to be worried about something happening to me to realize that it would suck. I don't want to be raped. I don't want to be eaten. I don't want my throat slit. I won't do it to anything else!

But your reasoning falls apart. I'm a tall, fairly strong guy, so if I applied your reasoning about animals to rape, it'd look something like this: "I don't rape girls because I wouldn't want to be raped!" Ridiculous- I run no realistic chance of getting raped. I don't rape women because I care about women and the suffering of people in general, not because of some fringe possibility that I get raped too.

They don't have to be expensive, though. Like I said, if people would feed people instead of feeding cows to feed people, we would be feeding more people.

Yeah, this is simply false. The feed needed to raise cattle is much less than the pounds upon pounds of meet you get- not to mention milk and other animal products. It's a simple inductive claim: if raising animals provided a negative net food result, then we wouldn't have raised animals in the first place.

I'm bored. I am going to go and kill someone on the street that nobody cares about, and who doesn't really have much of a desire to live. His or her suffering might be less than the pleasure derived from me killing him or her. Does this make it moral?

I wouldn't say so; then again, I value human life. If you don't particularly care about homeless people (or jail time), then there's nothing stopping you.

At this moment, my body is killing lots of harmful bacteria, and that is required for me to live. Not all life is worth the same to me. My life is more valuable to me than yours.

Glad you recognize this.

Still, I wouldn't kill and eat you if there's some other way to nourish myself. It is the same thing with animals. I have the ability to eat plants rather than animals, so I do. If I were in some situation where I had to eat animals or nothing at all, I would eat animals. If I were in a situation where I had to eat you or die, I would eat you.

Alright, so *why not*? You've already established that not all life is worth the same; where do you draw the line? I personally draw a clear line between people and animals- what about you?

There is no hope for me to convince you of anything.

I'm sorry if my consistency is frustrating you!

The same thing would happen if I ate nothing but celery for months.

So I'm not sure if you're trying to demonstrate your ignorance, or anything, but cannibalistic tribes don't only eat people.

Vegetarian diets are cheaper, at least in my experience.

Not if you consider the amount of time you need to invest!

Why are you guys even still arguing. It's a losing argument on both sides.

Uh, what? I'm pretty sure my side is winning!

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"read plato"

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I'm not suggesting that we do that. What I am saying is that we don't need to eat our animal friends, or consider them property. We needed to do that a long time ago, and I can admit that. But look at us now. We have the resources to make a choice about food. Why not take the moral highground?

While it's possible to not eat meat and survive, not everyone has access to this luxury: vegetarian diets are expensive, and poorer people would be hit hardest. Even if everyone in the world had an abundance of grains/fruits/vegetables, I'd still maintain that the human pleasure derived from eating animals is worth more than the animal suffering derived from being processed and eaten.

Perhaps. I just have respect for all forms of life on this planet, and I would like to see suffering be at the minimum amount possible.

So many questions. You value "all life": what about cell life? What about microscopic life? Is all life worth the same? How would I go about choosing between, say, saving a dog and saving a person? I get that you're trying to be "noble" and "moral," but it comes across more as confused, opaque reasoning.

Here's a question for you: Do you think that people working/volunteering for organizations for animals are wasting time because they are not doing anything specifically for humans, but more for animals?

For the most part. Then again, they also provide access to companion animals that are far cheaper than the pedigreed selection at most major pet stores.

That generally happens when you eat other people in your tribe faster than they can repopulate, yes.

That's not right. Even if the number of people eaten was limited to the point where the population would continue growing, the tribe would still be wiped out from health complications.

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No one really contends that animals can't feel pain and that's all that is required for us to sympathize. I wouldn't want anything to slit my throat and hang me upside down so that I choke on my own blood while I die, so I won't do that to anything else and won't support anyone who does!

Why should we be concerned with the pain of animals? "I wouldn't want that to happen to me!" is a pointless argument, since- surprise!- that's not going to happen to you. Furthermore, we have no idea how the lower sentience of animals affects how they receive pain. Maybe Descartes was right, and animals are no different than machines; those "screams of pain" sounds they make are no different that a clock alarm. And coming back to my major point here, even if animals were as sensitive to pain as people- hell, even if they were more sensitive to pain- why care? Shouldn't we, as human beings, be concerned with our fellow man?

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****ing tag

show is awesome, 2 > 3 > 1 but all seasons are awesome

season 2 finale will rock your mind

season 4 starts soon, just so you know!

possibly the best show other than The Wire (which wins forever)

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But from a strictly cultural standpoint "eh". I guess you do what you want, but that's disgusting.

Although there are probably laws against cannibalism too even if its a human that 'died naturally'.

Morality aside, cannibalism has nasty, nasty health side-effects. I don't know the specifics, but complications arising from cannibalism are the reason why those tribes you hear about who hate people no longer exist: they died out.

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I meant that they're legally recognized as property.

like slaves!

Or like tables! ^_^

They shouldn't be.

Why not, exactly? Because they're alive? Then we'll have to include bacteria and plants in the mix. Because they're sentient? Maybe, but our understanding of animal cognition (much like neurobiology as a whole) is in its infancy, so this might not be a relevant factor. Even if it were, why value animal well-being over human well-being?

There is just no convincing you, is there?

It's just a matter of perspective. I value human life infinitely more than I value animal life; you seem to value animal life at least similarly to human life, if not equally. I'm not going to provide you a "reason" for why I cherish human life first- I just do. And I expect your affinity for animals is just as arbitrary, no?

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Also...

I would say something, but it might be deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator.

lol

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Okay, pets are not property. "Pets" should not be considered "pets." They are companion animals, not pets.

I meant that they're legally recognized as property.

And honestly, I am surprised that so many meat eaters are willing to eat meat, but not if they would do something like kill an animal themselves. Why not kill and eat a kitten if you like meat so much? Oh, and they eat cats in other countries, so don't try saying "because it is a domesticated animal."

If I had to for survival, I'd probably eat a cat, yeah. Then again, certain animals are also great as companions: whether it's a fish, snake, or whatever, so long as the person decides to make it his pet, then he deserves a legal right to own that animal without someone else using/eating it. Works just like any other type of private property.

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that is why we have empathy for other people.

Yeah. And just because a few people *do* have empathy for animals doesn't mean they *should* have empathy for animals.

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The baby-killing argument is funny. Do I want to live in a society where eating babies is condoned? Nope: I value human life, and in the trade-off between baby meat and baby life, I gladly side with the second choice. However, do I want to live in a society where eating animals is condoned? You bet your ass: they're delicious, non-sentient, and the cheap production of meat benefits human society at large. Once again, I value *human* life, so the suffering of animals for our own benefit is only natural.

Of course, this doesn't apply to pets, as pets are a type of property. Nor does it apply to certain stray animals, as studies have shown that people who personally abuse ownerless animals tend to become violent in adulthood- and we don't want that.

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So what you are saying is that any average Joe six-pack should be able to waltz into a store and buy his own piece of murder for his enjoyment?

Murder is loosely defined as "one human purposefully killing another." Humans. Not animals.

Yeah, humane meat would make it more expensive, but it is also humane. You know what might also be a good idea to lower food prices? Using that new type of meat in Japan that is made from proteins in feces. Or we could always do the Soylent Green thing. It's not always a good idea to make things cheaper while bringing suffering on others.

Question: why is the suffering of animals more of a concern than the well-being of humans? Even if it's just for the sake of saving a few bucks, I'd gladly throw some baby chicks down a grinder. It's like really, who the **** cares? Maybe in some distant future where all human problems have been settled first, then we can talk about animal rights.

Not 'just as bad' but not without guilt either. The comparison is pretty clear. If someone kills one person and another kills ten, does the person who only killed one have a right to suppose he is better because he killed fewer? Are they not both still criminals?

Well sure, self-righteous vegans are wrong about this one; then again, they're wrong about everything. For the average person who tries to reduce their meat intake in a reasonable way so as to limit animal suffering, however, the argument doesn't hold up- and that's most vegetarians.

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Please. While S3&K's special stages were good, they became very repetitive over time. Sonic 1 still wins in that department!

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and what do you propose as an alternative mr. topic creator?

vegetarianism?

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

not as victimless as you might think!

Oh please; Maddox is awesome, but hilariously inaccurate from time to time. Here's the argument he actually makes in that article:

A vegetarian diet still ends up killing some animals. Trying to save animals from suffering is only worth it if you can save every animal, which is clearly impossible. Therefore, vegetarianism is just as bad as eating a meat-only diet.

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If you care about animals, then more power to you- just don't go around making comments like "If you eat animals, you deserve to be eaten yourself." It's not that simple. Improving conditions for factory farming means that prices also increase, and this negatively impacts consumers, particularly in the lower-classes. In my mind, the suffering of pigs is certainly worth it in order to cut prices and increase the amount of available food. **** animals.

Aside: isn't it funny how supposed animal lovers are almost always misanthropic?

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Normative statements cannot be wrong or right. They have no physical basis by which to be confirmed true or false. They merely reflect what an individual feels about the world.

To agree that normative statements can be right or wrong, is incorrect.

In other words, morality is relative. deep bro

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But then again, I liked FFXIII to begin with, so whatever.

Still waiting for you to give a bad opinion. Hot streak right here

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this song is how you got so good at mkwii isn't it

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The way blue looks like is not open to interpretation unless you're color blind, so it's a fact.

lol

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To be clear, you can consistently argue that all opinions are subjective, but this requires some pretty radical claims. For example, try accepting the following: "It's my opinion that A is both A and not-A (in other words, lol law of non-contradiction)."

Basically, opinions about things can be wrong so long as there's some external reality corresponding to them.

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Not sure what the "I think" in the topic title is all about, seeing as he told you outright! You should definitely talk to him; just be sensitive.

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Agree.

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Fire Emblem 7
Terranigma
Star Ocean
Vagrant Story
Charles Barkley Shut Up & Jam

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D, Fire Emblem 4/5.

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This topic needs to stay alive... FOREVERRR



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Remember, not guilty doesn't mean innocent. You can say "not guilty" and still think there's no other suspect.

deep bro

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As long as there's some sort of reasonable doubt as to whether or not she killed her daughter, you can't convict.

I always chuckle at this sort of judicial naivete.

Anyway, congrats to expert analyst Ulti for once again demonstrating that we have far too much faith in our own affairs. Joke ruling, joke trial.

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The original will help tremendously in getting accustomed to the universe and mythos, but watch it in the condensed movie trilogy version; trust me, it's better. And it's still long. But it sets you up for Zeta nicely.

Wiki's being unclear about which movies constitute the "condensed trilogy." Does it start with Char's Counterattack?

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Gurren la- (sees you watched it) ...<nod of approval>

Indeed, friend, ****ing indeed.

So thanks a lot for the suggestions! Always open for more, but I feel it's best to start with Higurashi. And since I have a slight affinity for mechanime (at least thanks to TTGL), is this "Mobile Suit Gundam Zeta" show a good one too?

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Sorry, I should've asked this in the OP, but could I get a very brief summary with each suggestion? I'm afraid of going to Wikipedia out of spoilers. Thanks!

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I would hardly consider myself an "anime guy," but I've thoroughly enjoyed DBZ (and Kai), Death Note, and- most recently- Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (which is probably my favorite of the bunch). Seeing as nothing will ever, ever match up with the raw scope and sheer epicness of that finale, I'm hoping some other anime can at least match up with the show as far as plot goes. Bordering on the convoluted is fine, so long as it doesn't take things too far!

Also, I have no interest in anything related to Lelouch. Suggestions?

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^Yep, that's the one! And you know, if you're hoping to make some epic battle sequence, it might be best to wait until S2 gets underway so you have more material to work with.

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^ I really need to get around to fixing that vid with the blurriness lmao

Oh wow, you made that? Still a great vid, but if you touched up the blurriness a bit, it'd be even better!

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Good list! I'd probably put the Griffon episode at the bottom and raise the "Mare in the Moon" duo, if only for the awesome Gurren Lagann remix they produced.

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Alright, serious response time. The word "objectivism" has a ton of different meanings. It could refer to political objectivism, which is Randian philosophy, or it could refer to metaphysical objectivism, which is a scholarly way of saying "the universe is rationally/divinely ordered." Then there's the simpler option: that all things, including definitions, have objective answers. This one's funny in lieu of the TC's question, hardy har

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I totally made this topic like two months ago! Giving the nod to World now as I did then, and as I likely always will. Tighter level design of 3 can't surpass the sheer scope of World (plus Yoshi).

Although 64 remains the best Mario title.

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I have successfully converted a friend to ponies



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Oh, you guys get it? TC's doing like a thing

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all day.....every day

See sig; I approve. :D

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That said, Coke Zero and Diet Coke are terrible. That aspartame will kill you.

lol

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You watch a show meant for little girls and then you turn around and say something about "beta males"? Dude? That ship's already sailed, with you and the rest of us on it.

Sarcasm, brony, sarcasm.

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