Moments in fiction where you agreed with a villain or they had a good point?

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dfranctv
04/19/2024
11:36 AM
#1
Has there ever been a time in a movie/game/TV show where a villain said something that basically made you go "...I mean, they're not wrong"? Putting aside their own evil actions of course.
Were_Wyrm
04/19/2024
11:38 AM
#2
Every time the horror monster kills teenagers after having premarital sex.
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masterpug53
04/19/2024
11:39 AM
#3
Any well-written villain will do that, tbh. They use legitimate grievances as a way to galvanize the masses into a cult-like following for their own horrible ends.

Caesar from New Vegas immediately springs to mind.
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rexcrk
04/19/2024
11:40 AM
#4
Infinity W- *gets shot*

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Seaman_Prime
04/19/2024
11:53 AM
#6
Delita
Guide
04/19/2024
11:55 AM
#7
The babe that beat the shit out of Mark in Invincible s2 was right about humanity .

Her solution wasn't entirely right itself, but her description and admonishment of Mark were right.
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Beveren_Rabbit
04/19/2024
11:55 AM
#8
Lilo and Stitch. they were literally just trying to protect the universe from a dangerous experiment.
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LeCh0nk
04/19/2024
11:57 AM
#9
Magneto, based on his experiences and what we see about other mutant's experiences, has a point.
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FL81
04/19/2024
11:58 AM
#10
every one of the main antagonists from The Legend of Korra
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RetuenOfDevsman
04/19/2024
12:00 PM
#11
Plenty of villains have a point.

They just shouldn't be trying to take over the world or kill superheroes or resurrect ancient evils and stuff just because they're mad about it.
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cjsdowg
04/19/2024
12:11 PM
#12
Killmonger. Like people wrongly claims that he just wanted to randomly off people. Now he expressly said he wanted to take out oppressors. To top that off he was the rightful king. He won that and had the blood. Then he is toppled by a western Coup the nation fall apart tlduebto bad leadership.

John Walker he killed a terrorist that just murdered his friend. Objectively Becky and Sam starting a race riot and letting out a mass murder was worst.

Many times robots besides skynet. In the matrix the humans were wrong every step of the way. In mass effect th Qs tried to genocide the Geth. I make sure they die out every game. Because they have the choice to live in peace and they say no.
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Irony
04/19/2024
12:18 PM
#13
Knights of the Old Republic 2
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NoxObscuras
04/19/2024
12:19 PM
#14
Honestly a lot of villains have a good point or good reasoning for the most part. It's only a problem when the solution they arrive at involves killing tons of people.

Like Killmonger (Black Panther) for example. He wanted to use Wakanda's technology to help black people all over the world. Which I think is a great goal. But the problem is that his "help" involved killing tons of non-black people, instead of finding a more peaceful approach like T'Challa wanted.

Or Darth Traya in KotOR 2. She wanted to stop the endless cycle of galactic wars. Which is definitely a good thing, but her solution to basically kill everyone by destroying the force.
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ROBANN_88
04/19/2024
12:19 PM
#15
if he hadn't turned out to be doing it to manipulate the masses for selfish reasons, Amon in Legend of Korra would have had a point about non-benders being second class citizens
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Jupiter
04/19/2024
12:27 PM
#16
The final antagonist of Persona 5 Royal isn't a villain at all and definitely has good points.
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Link_of_time
04/19/2024
12:43 PM
#17
cjsdowg posted...
Killmonger. Like people wrongly claims that he just wanted to randomly off people. Now he expressly said he wanted to take out oppressors. To top that off he was the rightful king. He won that and had the blood. Then he is toppled by a western Coup the nation fall apart tlduebto bad leadership.
Nah, Killmonger was just angry. He didn't actually care about doing right by anyone. His only motivation was vengeance. Nothing and no one mattered other than enacting vengeance for a life he felt he was owed. The second someone posed as an obstacle to that vengeance he eliminated them.

Fable
04/19/2024
12:47 PM
#18
Wish before bro went crazy using the no-no magic. Also that movie was ai trash.
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Luxiere
04/19/2024
12:48 PM
#19
The American justice system failed Simon Phoenix and he was programmed to escape instead of being properly rehabilitated.

The American government had every right to track down and destroy Johnny Five. Sentient AI on the loose with directed energy beam tech.

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Ratchetrockon
04/19/2024
12:48 PM
#20
Purple Tentacle in Day of the Tentacle

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PurpleOutsider
04/19/2024
12:54 PM
#21
Luxiere posted...
The American justice system failed Simon Phoenix and he was programmed to escape instead of being properly rehabilitated.
Cocteau let him out to get rid of Denis Leary and he still didn't do it.

Also, the rehab thing wasn't very good. Spartan was exactly how he was before, except he wanted to knit. Phoenix would still be a crazed killer, except he would want to sing Oscar Meyer Weiner karaoke or whatever.
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mystic_belmont
04/19/2024
12:56 PM
#22
Suits season 5 at the end of the trial.
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Ryven
04/19/2024
12:58 PM
#23
Whenever this discussion comes up, i think of General Hummel from The Rock
'We're not gonna make it, are we? People i mean.'
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PurpleOutsider
04/19/2024
01:00 PM
#24
Ryven posted...
Whenever this discussion comes up, i think of General Hummel from The Rock
He's mainly just naive since he didn't bother to check if all his accomplices were on the same page. Most people would just say "no" to holding a city for ransom. If you say "yes", you're probably willing to go through with it.
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BDSMKane
04/19/2024
01:04 PM
#26
A lot of good ones listed already. At least ones who had a good point:
Watchmen
Kingsmen
Im positive theres more, but theyre evading me.
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RchHomieQuanChi
04/19/2024
01:06 PM
#27
Outside of some of the ones mentioned in this topic (ESPECIALLY Magneto and Killmonger), Count Dooku had a point about how incredibly corrupt the Republic had become and how the Jedi had lost their way.

Of course, where he goes wrong is aligning with Palpatine.
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MorganTJ
04/19/2024
01:14 PM
#28
BDSMKane posted...
A lot of good ones listed already. At least ones who had a good point:
Watchmen
Kingsmen
Im positive theres more, but theyre evading me.
Wondering which Kingsmen villain you mean. There isnt really a good way to interpret all middle/lower class people must die.
BombermanGold
04/19/2024
01:18 PM
#29
28 posts so far and no mention of Senator Armstrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMpuUUV2HeE

He's got some points there, yes...but in the end, his plan amounts to a kind of anarchic Darwinism.
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TyVulpine
04/19/2024
01:18 PM
#30
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PartRaptor
04/19/2024
01:20 PM
#31
Not as big as some of the other examples in this topic, but I think this is pretty funny. I mean, he's not exactly wrong that Jack Fenton is nothing short of an idiot.

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TMOG
04/19/2024
01:23 PM
#32
Stargirl season 1
TyVulpine
04/19/2024
01:23 PM
#33
I would say Alec Trevelyan from GoldenEye. Lienz Cossacks that worked against the Russians in WWII expected Britain to grant them asylum. Instead, they got handed over back to Russia and were shot.
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Evolician
04/19/2024
01:24 PM
#34
Freeza was right tbh. Saiyans are filthy monkeys.
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BDSMKane
04/19/2024
01:30 PM
#35
MorganTJ posted...
Wondering which Kingsmen villain you mean. There isnt really a good way to interpret all middle/lower class people must die.
Youre right, there isnt. The good point was that were a negative impact on our environment. The method however? Absolutely abhorrent.

Same goes for Watchmen really. The method was abhorrent, but the goal was worthy; world peace, uniting against a common enemy.
No matter our origin, we are all one family, we all share one planet, and we all need to feel loved and accepted. We are more alike than different.
BDSMKane
04/19/2024
01:45 PM
#36
Thought of more who had a point:
Gone Baby Gone
Inside Man
Im struggling to come up with any from video games I've personally played (and beaten). I hadnt thought of it before, but the villains in the video games have all been more clear cut, and insane.
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InTheEyesOfFire
04/19/2024
05:03 PM
#37
The Puppetmaster in GitS. All he wanted was to just live.
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Kradek
04/19/2024
05:09 PM
#38
I consider Killmonger to be fairly justified in his contempt for Wakanda and the leadership that let black populations around the world suffer while they chilled in their technological paradise.
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sabin017
04/19/2024
05:15 PM
#39
There was an episode of Dial M for Monkey that had a lava monster rage because people were being too noisy. All he was roaring was things like "Please quiet down!"
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bigtiggie23
04/19/2024
05:46 PM
#40
Psycho Mantis in MGS when he tells Snake that all he sees when he reads people's minds is the desire to pass one's seed and it makes him sick. Next time you are at a place like Walmart picture the majority of people there thinking about doing it and see how your stomach feels.
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Cemith
04/19/2024
05:48 PM
#41
Jupiter posted...
The final antagonist of Persona 5 Royal isn't a villain at all and definitely has good points.

I love the Royal antag so much. The vanilla boss fight was just a JRPG shibboleth but then HE shows up and suddenly the narrative became interesting again.
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MrKapowski
04/19/2024
05:49 PM
#42
Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen
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stevo6452
04/19/2024
05:56 PM
#43
Cypher in The Matrix
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008Zulu
04/19/2024
06:01 PM
#44
Magneto from X-Men. He was right that humans and mutants can't live together peacefully.
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Hayame_Zero
04/19/2024
06:01 PM
#45
The main villain in Big Hero 6 was not only in the right, but it almost seemed to be trying to get you sympathize with the conglomerate he was attacking as much as it was him.
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Trumble
04/19/2024
06:03 PM
#46
Dunno if I'd go as far as agree, but I could see where Seymour (FFX) was coming from, given the nature of Spira.
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