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There's quite a bit of video essays arguing for him. Might have to give a watch to see what these guys are saying.

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But we all know who the real dad is

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ive seen a guy once argue that goku is a good dad because he loves his children (that doesnt automatically make him a good dad)

and that chichi is a bad mom cause she made gohan study instead of train
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Piccolo is more of a cool uncle.
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yusiko posted...
and that chichi is a bad mom cause she made gohan study instead of train
Yeah I'm pretty sure he's still active on the Dragon Ball Board
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As far as anime Dad's go, Goku is pretty high tier. Worst he's done is throw his son in to fights, which is very mild for the atrocities anime fathers commit.

Also I'll second the notion that Piccolo is the cool uncle. He's the reliable relative that's not super social but will literally always back you up when it comes down to it
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Goku's not a great father. I will say that much of it isn't his fault, but at best he's an absentee father. Great fighter, Great hero, not a great father. He's akin to a father who works all the time and never has time with his kids. Even when he is with his kids it's always about work.

I always like the scrubs line "even the best part-time father, is still only part-time."
Crono99 posted...
When you're fighting monsters strong enough to destroy the whole planet I guess parenting rules are a bit different
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Honestly he didnt have a lot of chances to be. I mean up until Raditz he was doing fine, but then other things kept getting in the way.

Spoilers

first he gave his life to save his son from Raditz, but then had to train with a kai to save the earth from vegeta. Then was badly hurt doing that so Gohan had to go get new dragon balls to revive others, but once he was better he rushed to help his son, and had to fight Frieza, and stalled Frieza long enough for them to get away. This got him stuck on an exploding planet, but he found away off only to end up on a planet of telporters so he took the opportunity to learn such a useful skill, and master his new ssj powers. Once he came back he found out about the androids so he and piccolo trained Gohan together, then Cell happened and they spent a few months training even more together, then he died again.

So other than yardrat or however it is spelled and after a Cell he spent a bunch of time with his son, and gave his life multiple times for them.

Maybe not the greatest dad, but honestly I can think of worse.
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Hes a deadbeat dad.
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I see even more people get defensive when someone says Goku is dumber in Dragonball Super and that he's flanderized.

"Nuh uh. Goku in Super is 100% the exact same way he was in the original series"
He's not a malicious dad, but he's still bad at being a dad. Piccolo has always been more of a father figure, at least past Raditz.
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VeggetaX posted...
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Yeah I wouldn't say goku is a terrible father but he ain't great either. He's flawed but with a good heart.
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Even Akira Toriyama argued that Goku was a bad father.

Mistere_Man posted...
Honestly he didnt have a lot of chances to be. I mean up until Raditz he was doing fine, but then other things kept getting in the way.

Spoilers

first he gave his life to save his son from Raditz, but then had to train with a kai to save the earth from vegeta. Then was badly hurt doing that so Gohan had to go get new dragon balls to revive others, but once he was better he rushed to help his son, and had to fight Frieza, and stalled Frieza long enough for them to get away. This got him stuck on an exploding planet, but he found away off only to end up on a planet of telporters so he took the opportunity to learn such a useful skill, and master his new ssj powers. Once he came back he found out about the androids so he and piccolo trained Gohan together, then Cell happened and they spent a few months training even more together, then he died again.

So other than yardrat or however it is spelled and after a Cell he spent a bunch of time with his son, and gave his life multiple times for them.

Maybe not the greatest dad, but honestly I can think of worse.

You forgot the part where he spared Vegeta and initially tried to spare Freeza.
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Lol I prefer that over Goten, who looks exactly like Goku did as a kid. Like damn kids don't have to be that exact
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Name 3 great fathers from animation
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Doesn't he lose Gohan in the woods in the very first episode of DBZ? Kinda sets the tone there from the beginning.
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Memes > Facts. The internet hath decreed Goku is a bad dad, and so shall he forever be.
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sure Goku might be a shit dad but its mostly cause he doesnt know any better...

he's too busy fighting aliens and shit. he never took time to learn how to dad properly. lol
Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
Even Akira Toriyama argued that Goku was a bad father.

You forgot the part where he spared Vegeta and initially tried to spare Freeza.

I was trying to focus on the being a dad to Gohan parts, and things that got in the way of it.
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
sure Goku might be a shit dad but its mostly cause he doesnt know any better...

he's too busy fighting aliens and shit. he never took time to learn how to dad properly. lol
This whole "he's too busy fighting bad guys" doesn't really work when other superhero fathers are able to balance both their fatherly and superhero duties quite well.

And for the record, unlike a lot of superheroes, Goku barely does any actual bad guy fighting. He only fights the main baddie of the arc and that's it. He doesn't go around stopping burglars or the like every day. If we're talking solely Z, Goku never takes any opportunity to actually know his son when he has a chance to. In the entire year and additional week they spent together in the Cell Saga prepping for the Cell Games, Goku learned next to nothing about his son, and when he had a clear chance to make amends (be resurrected by the Dragon Balls after his second death), he skips it and nopes out of his son's life for several years.

"Oh hey look, it's Vegeta, the son of Trunks."
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
sure Goku might be a shit dad but its mostly cause he doesnt know any better...

he's too busy fighting aliens and shit. he never took time to learn how to dad properly. lol

In real life people would still shit on a father if they didn't learn how to dad properly

Hell you get mixed opinions on dad's who are seldom present due to working a lot to make sure they are financially secure and not working pay check to pay Check
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dfranctv posted...
I see even more people get defensive when someone says Goku is dumber in Dragonball Super and that he's flanderized.

"Nuh uh. Goku in Super is 100% the exact same way he was in the original series"
He's portrayed to be dumber but I don't see how that's an issue.
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That's because DragonBall fans are high on nostalgia.

Same reason they see him as a great father is the same reason they see him as a selfless hero.

The man would rather have his family slaughtered if it meant he could have fun fighting someone. He has proven that multiple times, and is more than willing to let shit hit the fan so he can have fun. The excuses for why he intentionally let shit hit the fan so he could have fun are always entertaining.
The_Korey posted...
Memes > Facts. The internet hath decreed Goku is a bad dad, and so shall he forever be.

I mean facts show that he is a bad father, sure not near the worst of bad fathers, but he is still a bad father and really not the best person either, due to his want to fight strong opponents.
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
sure Goku might be a shit dad but its mostly cause he doesnt know any better...

he's too busy fighting aliens and shit. he never took time to learn how to dad properly. lol
That is a terrible excuse. Especially given much of the fights he gets into are due to issues he exacerbated so he could have fun. The excuses for why he just absolutely had to exacerbate things are also always terrible reasons. In fact those reasons his fans give him make him look worse.

Goku hasn't "had time" because he'd rather devote time to himself having fun. He's even willing to put his family in danger intentionally to achieve that.
People go a bit hard on it for a meme at times, but he's objectively not a very great partner or parent. He has a solid bond with them, but he doesn't really live in the same mindspace as them.
dfranctv posted...
I see even more people get defensive when someone says Goku is dumber in Dragonball Super and that he's flanderized.

"Nuh uh. Goku in Super is 100% the exact same way he was in the original series"
Super goku is dumber than DBZA.
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dummy420 posted...
Super goku is dumber than DBZA .

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Turbam posted...
Name 3 great fathers from animation

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Goku isnt a bad dad, but is horrible at making decisions. With Gohan, he honestly did good as an earlier post showed. He was fine till Raditz showed up.

In truth his biggest error was during the cell games which he had Gohan take over after giving cell a setzu bean. he saw an answer, but didnt take account Gohans mentality.

Likewise him sparing vegeta and Freeza I dont see issue with as it is consistent with his character. He never made a point to kill someone, thinking back to dragonball, I believe king piccolo was his only kill (and only when pushed into a deep corner did he do that), and he spared piccolo. He didnt kill Nappa, the ginyu force. Kid Buu I believe was his first time where he admited he have to kill (hope you recarnate as someone good)

edit: I forgot king piccolos kids traborine and drum. First one was revenge for krillin, 2nd was drum to save tien. I dont recall if he killed any red ribbon army members
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Say what you want about Goku being a deadbeat. As far as Saiyans go, at least he was there for Gohan as a kid, unlike the majority of Saiyans.
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texanfan27 posted...
thinking back to dragonball, I believe king piccolo was his only kill (and only when pushed into a deep corner did he do that),
His first kill was in chapter 1.
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texanfan27 posted...
Goku isnt a bad dad, but is horrible at making decisions. With Gohan, he honestly did good as an earlier post showed. He was fine till Raditz showed up.
.....Which makes him a bad dad..... dude was a terrible father a majority of the series.

It wasnt just bad decisions, and honest mistakes. Gokus entire logic is selfishness in his urge and love for fighting. So a majority of the series he chose that above the safety of his family and friends. Time and time again he's done that. DragonBall Super he just cranked up his selfish ways.
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People fucking love Goku, man
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I mean he literally chooses staying dead over being with his family and at the end of dbz to go train for years with some rando he just met.
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Goldice posted...
I mean he literally chooses staying dead over being with his family and at the end of dbz to go train for years with some rando he just met.
Damn it, I really hate to defend Goku but his logic was because he felt his aliveness was the cause of all the bad things happening on earth so he decided to stay dead. IIRC
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