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Too soon
Voted toriyama
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why do we have to pit them against each other? this is stupid.
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Had to google the one guy, knew who Toriyama was. Easy decision.
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Had to google the one guy, knew who Toriyama was. Easy decision.

That's a you problem. Miyazaki makes the highest grossing anime films of all time

Everyone knows Spirited Away lol
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I watched spirited away, grave of the firefly, and totoro in school for culture class (1st to 5th grade).

Did y'all watch those in school too?
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His 2001 film Spirited Away became the highest-grossing film in Japanese history, winning the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and is frequently ranked among the greatest films of the 21st century. Miyazaki's later filmsHowl's Moving Castle (2004), Ponyo (2008), and The Wind Rises (2013)also enjoyed critical and commercial success. Following the release of The Wind Rises, Miyazaki announced his retirement from feature films, though he later returned to write and direct his twelfth feature film The Boy and the Heron (2023), for which he won his second Academy Award for Best Animated Feature.

Who the fuck doesn't know Miyazaki lol
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Miyazaki is directly responsible for the Disney Renaissance. That's how influential his work is.
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Had to google the one guy, knew who Toriyama was. Easy decision.
I am aware of Hayao Miyazaki's works like, Princess Mononoke, but I didn't know him by name either.

Either way, I voted Akira Toriyama. I mean, Dragon Ball is just a huge IP.

Incredible posted...
His 2001 film Spirited Away became the highest-grossing film in Japanese history, winning the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and is frequently ranked among the greatest films of the 21st century. Miyazaki's later filmsHowl's Moving Castle (2004), Ponyo (2008), and The Wind Rises (2013)also enjoyed critical and commercial success. Following the release of The Wind Rises, Miyazaki announced his retirement from feature films, though he later returned to write and direct his twelfth feature film The Boy and the Heron (2023), for which he won his second Academy Award for Best Animated Feature.

Who the fuck doesn't know Miyazaki lol
Expecting people to know the creator of every supposed famous work is a terrible take. Had to look his name up as well.

Also, I didn't know Spirited Away was considered that important. Didn't find it particularly good. Enjoyed several of his other works more.
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both are absolute legends.

but im going with Toriyama since i grew up with Dragon Ball...
Both are Legends. But Toriyama is simply too big with what he's created.
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Miyazaki is a great artist and animator. His storytelling is either genius or really weird and undercooked.

Toriyama is basically the reason Japan became big in the west (along with Pokemon) and shaped an entire genre. His storytelling was also really fun and kind of innovative for the time, or. You know.

Both are pretty much at the top of their class.
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While both are pillars, I'd say Toriyama is leagues taller. It also doesn't help that Miyazaki is not particularly beloved as a person.
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Multiple Miyazaki films in the top ten.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Miyazaki is directly responsible for the Disney Renaissance. That's how influential his work is.

Is he really? I'd like to know more about that

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Toriyama is more iconic just because his work is/was more accessible, especially in Latin America, and the west.

Both are legends tho.
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pauIie posted...
why do we have to pit them against each other? this is stupid.
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Sorozone posted...
Toriyama is more iconic just because his work is/was more accessible, especially in Latin America, and the west.

Both are legends tho.

That's not what accessible means.
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Incredible posted...
That's not what accessible means.

More people had TV's than access to a movie theatre, or the electronics to watch a movie on VHS or DVD.

Yes it was more accessible, stop being a clown.
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Incredible posted...
That's not what accessible means.
Yes it is.
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pauIie posted...
why do we have to pit them against each other? this is stupid.

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Prefer Miyazaki, but Toriyama is for sure more iconic
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Sorozone posted...
More people had TV's than access to a movie theatre, or the electronics to watch a movie on VHS or DVD

"You can't watch movies on TV"

Also, that's not what accessible means.

Sorozone posted...
stop being a clown.


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Incredible posted...
"You can't watch movies on TV"

Also, that's not what accessible means.


Not what I said.

Keep moving the goalposts Scotty.
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This topic was really done in bad spirit...
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Sorozone posted...
Not what I said.

You said that Miyazaki's movies aren't as accessible because people didn't have easy access to theaters or home video, implying that they can't just watch it on TV.
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Incredible posted...
You said that Miyazaki's movies aren't as accessible because people didn't have easy access to theaters or home video, implying that they can't just watch it on TV.

Yeah, and how often were Miyazaki movies playing on TV compared to that of Dragonball?

C'mon use your brain.
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Sorozone posted...
C'mon use your brain.

You're the one arguing that airing more on TV equals being more iconic.
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Incredible posted...
You're the one arguing that airing more on TV equals being more iconic.

No I'm not. C'mon Scotty. You don't need to embarrass yourself. I mean maybe you have a humiliation fetish.

My argument is that Toriyama's work is more accessible because televisions are more widely used, and in households compared to people going to the movies. Which in turn makes him more iconic because his work is more likely to be seen.

And this isn't even taking into account his video game work, or even his own manga.
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Sorozone posted...
My argument is that Toriyama's work is more accessible because televisions are more widely used, and in households compared to people going to the movies. Which in turn makes him more iconic because his work is more likely to be seen.

A television show isn't more iconic than a movie just because it's "more likely to be seen", no.

Sorozone posted...
You don't need to embarrass yourself. I mean maybe you have a humiliation fetish.


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pauIie posted...
why do we have to pit them against each other? this is stupid.

Why do we have polls ever
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Incredible posted...
A television show isn't more iconic than a movie just because it's "more likely to be seen", no.

Scotty. What did you ask? "Whose work is more iconic"

You named two of the biggest names in the Japanese industry.

All things being equal, the more iconic work is the one seen by more. So the one that is going to garner more veneration-the definition of being an icon-is the one being seen by more people.

I don't even know why I'm arguing this with you.
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Both men have been highly influential, I refuse to pick one over the other since both made great strides for anime and both have become known worldwide.
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Sorozone posted...
All things being equal, the more iconic work is the one seen by more.

That's not how it works.
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Toyiyama is beating Miyazaki 2 to 1 in the poll so far. (40 vs 20 votes). I guess we have our answer.
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Dragonball is bad, whereas Miyazaki movies are very, very good and appeal to a wider audience than pre-pubescent boys.
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I didn't vote while I like Dragon Quest I never watched Dragon Ball and I wasn't sure who the other guy was.

Sorry I do play a lot of Japanese games but I guess I am just not into the culture as much as I could be.
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Easiest Toriyama vote of my life.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Easiest Toriyama vote of my life.
Seeing as the poll closed before you posted I would say it would be a pretty hard vote.
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ellis123 posted...
Seeing as the poll closed before you posted I would say it would be a pretty hard vote.

That was a good gotcha.
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Kamil posted...
That was a good gotcha.
I was more making it as a joke. ~.~
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ellis123 posted...
Seeing as the poll closed before you posted I would say it would be a pretty hard vote.
Didn't even realize it was closed. Consider my post a mail in ballot, then.
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Charged151 posted...
Toyiyama is beating Miyazaki 2 to 1 in the poll so far. (40 vs 20 votes).

No shit. He just passed away.
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hitokoriX posted...
Is he really? I'd like to know more about that

The tl;dr is Disney had been wanting to quit the animation business for a while after great mouse detective flopped. They were considering an exit for good but two things changed their mind. Studio Ghibli entering the scene was one of them. The other was An American Tail.

That inspired them to give it one more go and that movie was Little Mermaid.

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