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Mal_Fet
UnfairRepresent posted...
Look, as much as I'd love to continue delineating over possible statistical effects of gun control that ostensibly worked in other countries with far different populations and histories, it's 4:30 in the morning and I have math homework to do. So in my place, I will post this video of a guy only slightly less insufferable than me responding to many of the arguments you guys have been putting forward, including mass shootings, with more statistical data. Have fun
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell
Mal_Fet posted...UnfairRepresent posted...In the context of Mass Shootings, especially in an epididemic that is unique to one single nation. I strongly disagree.
I reject your notion that a correlation between America (arguably the greatest country in the world) and lower homicide/suicide rates than some other nations proves that gun-control doesn't work and wouldn't help stop mass shootings.
A correlation doesn't imply causation. Mass shootings in Australia were already rare before the gun ban, which means fewer mass shootings afterward is pretty statistically insignificant.
And by thew way, the homicide rate in Australia dropped at a slower rate than America's did in the time after their gun ban. Shall we take that to mean a gun ban will result in slower homicide rate decline? It's a correlation, after all.
I'd note every correlation but not view it as causation.
That's logic 101.
The key thing is I feel like you're ignoring that this is a problem that is literally unique to America purely because you feel that it reflects poorly on values that you like.
That's where the rest of the world comes in. Not on whether or not guns are good or bad or whether or not suicides rates will be in flux. But on the fact no one apart from the US has this problem where the population is in fear and knows that every few months or so some nut (who is always male) is going to massacre a bunch of kids for no good reason.
And the logic of "Maybe we should have efforts to make it hard for that nut to get guns." does not seem unreasonable. Especially after it was successful elsewhere. Going "Well if we make those efforts people will starting killing themselves in droves." however is unreasonable.
Look, as much as I'd love to continue delineating over possible statistical effects of gun control that ostensibly worked in other countries with far different populations and histories, it's 4:30 in the morning and I have math homework to do. So in my place, I will post this video of a guy only slightly less insufferable than me responding to many of the arguments you guys have been putting forward, including mass shootings, with more statistical data. Have fun
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell
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