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Just ignore it. Easiest thing there is.

There are only three Alien movies. Alien, Aliens and last year's Alien Romulus

sequels can definitely *undermine* originals, simply by virtue of existing sometimes. but yeah when i think thats going to happen i just dont play the sequel.

Hades and Death Stranding are two near perfect games to me. so perfect, so transcendental that i have zero interest in anything new for the IP. in my mind it cant hit the bar just by virtue of not being a brand new thing

so i just dont play em

*smiles in George Lucas

Sequels are like Nepo Babies. They can bring shame to their families, no matter how famous they are. You think Chet Hanks makes Tom Hanks look good?

Dungeater posted...

sequels can definitely *undermine* originals

I'd say FFX-2 does exactly this

The first two Terminator movies are still great and will be no matter how many lame sequels they make.

Doctor Sleep was a pretty solid sequel.

A_Good_Boy posted...

*smiles in George Lucas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0248pUAteWk

A_Good_Boy posted...

*smiles in George Lucas

Good point, prequels can do the same.

DMC2 pretty huge proof of this for games as well.

Can Fellowship stand alone without Two Trashbags?

That is true........but sometimes the shit vibes will contaminate the IP like a curse, lol.

No star ocean game was as successful after part 3 dropped. Aya brea has yet to star in another game past the 3rd birthday. (If square-enix cannot base a story off of the novel anymore, than aya could be isekai'd into another verse as a new york cop that develops magic powers after the events of 3rd birthday).

Breath of fire no longer got a console game after dragon quarter, and that mobile game they called part 6 dealt the finishing blow to the IP.

Wild arms also did not make it past it's japan-only shitty mobile game. Etc.

The devil may cry IP was lucky to get hideaki itsuno when it did.

Indiana Jones is the best trilogy ever.

People used to shit on Temple of Doom all the time...used to.

This is how I treat The Last of Us and Terminator 2. They never had sequels.

It can be difficult to ignore sequels when they surpass the originals in popularity. Good luck trying to reminisce about or introduce anyone to Baldur's Gate - this was possible a few years ago, but now Baldur's Gate is that game by Larian and the Bioware titles may as well not exist to anyone who hasn't played them by now.

Before that there were a sizable number of people to whom Baldur's Gate = that PS2 action/RPG hybrid and trying to explain to them that Baldur's Gate is actually a completely different game was a futile endeavor.

Honestly, I felt this way and shot this stuff down all the time.

And then The Last Jedi did it to me and yeah, some stuff absolutely can lessen a childhood memory.

Dunno if they're really hot takes, but the Sequel Trilogy and Disney Star Wars in general ended my interest in anything new related to Star Wars, though to be fair, it had already started waning after New Jedi Order; they just fully killed my interest and I've never felt the desire to go back (though I do admit I like to sometimes browse subreddits like Maw Installation and read some in-depth discussions of PT/OT stuff). I heard Andor was actually really good, but after giving shows like Obi-Wan a shot (man, I hated that show, which was really frustrating because I love Obi-Wan), I didn't want to bother. Now that I think about it, literally the only post-Disney Star Wars merchandise I've bought have been a few of the Zahn books.

The Legend of Korra did this to a lesser extent for me, too, though I will say Season 3 was amazing and salvaged it for me (though Season 4 was mediocre and the ending wasn't built up nearly well enough for me to like it). I'm still interested in seeing what the new series will be like, though, so it's not quite as bad for me as Star Wars.

I've felt the opposite.
Tales of Berseria was so damn good, that it made me retroactively like Zestiria a tiny bit more.

Nah, they absolutely can.

People aren't robots. "Just ignore it" doesn't just delete it from memory. If you're a really story-focused person, knowing the sequel takes the story in a really shitty direction can and will absolutely sour the experience for you, even if just a little.

I see stories as a cohesive unit. I can't separate Chrono Trigger from Chrono Cross any more than I can separate the ending of Mass Effect 3 from the rest of Mass Effect 3.

And for me, my absolute biggest pet peeve is when a sequel decides to completely throw out an earned happy ending just to be edgy. I hated when Dark Fate did it, I hated it when Chrono Cross did it, and I refuse to watch Scott Pilgrim Takes Off because dammit, they did it there, too.

SAlYAN posted...

Nah, they absolutely can.

People aren't robots. "Just ignore it" doesn't just delete it from memory. If you're a really story-focused person, knowing the sequel takes the story in a really shitty direction can and will absolutely sour the experience for you, even if just a little.

I see stories as a cohesive unit. I can't separate Chrono Trigger from Chrono Cross any more than I can separate the ending of Mass Effect 3 from the rest of Mass Effect 3.

And for me, my absolute biggest pet peeve is when a sequel decides to completely throw out an earned happy ending just to be edgy. I hated when Dark Fate did it, I hated it when Chrono Cross did it, and I refuse to watch Scott Pilgrim Takes Off because dammit, they did it there, too.

Such drama.

It was so bad that everything in any way related to it is now ruined.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

Such drama.

It was so bad that everything in any way related to it is now ruined.

I get you're intentionally trying to be an abrasive ass, but is it really that foreign a concept?

If I order a three course meal, and for the third course they scrape some roadkill off the street an put it on a plate, that restaurant is getting a 1 star review, a visit from the health department, and nobody's coming back; it doesn't matter how good the appetizer was.

PeteyParker posted...

There are only three Alien movies. Alien, Aliens and last year's Alien Romulus

Predator and Alien have finally had their good late sequel. Im curious if Terminator will be next

SAlYAN posted...

I get you're intentionally trying to be an abrasive ass, but is it really that foreign a concept?

If I order a three course meal, and for the third course they scrape some roadkill off the street an put it on a plate, that restaurant is getting a 1 star review, a visit from the health department, and nobody's coming back; it doesn't matter how good the appetizer was.

I guess that's at least a better perspective than I've seen before.

I dunno how you could look at two published works as analogous to a single meal though.

Justin2Krelian posted...

Predator and Alien have finally had their good late sequel. Im curious if Terminator will be next

I mean, we got Dark Fate which wasn't as good as the first two but was way better than the other sequels we've had. Isn't that basically the same as Alien: Romulus?

I wouldn't put Predator in that category either. The first movie was very good but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece like the other two. Then we had two dogshit sequels, over 20 years. But since the 2018 movie they've all been pretty good.

These are my opinions, of course. You may disagree. But I think a lot of people feel the same way, so...

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

I guess that's at least a better perspective than I've seen before.

I dunno how you could look at two published works as analogous to a single meal though.

I think ghe analogy holds. Irs about whether the experience itself is meant to be standalone or continuous.

If a meal is designed to be enjoyed in three parts, as many often are, they can impact each other, and make each of them better or worse than the sum of their parts. On a small scale, it's easy to see this with wines, where they can often be paired with certain cheeses or desserts to enhance the flavor of both. On a bigger scale, restaurants often will design an appetizer-entree-desert structure, and they often curate those choices to make sure they all create a cohesive meal. I don't know what your tastes are but I'm sure you can imagine some food combinations that, when paired in that structure, woupd make the meal worse. And any single one of those three parts being outright bad may put you off your meal entirely. The three parts of the meal create the single experience.

People like me view the entire story as that single experience, and each puplblished work in that story as the "course." And just like a bad entree might spoil an overall meal, a bad act 2 might spoil the overall story.

If that's not how you see things, that's fine; plenty of people can go to red lobster and just enjoy the biscuits and leave it at that. Easy to argue it's the best part, anyway. Others, like me, intrinsically see the story as a continuous, collective, overarching piece, and there's nothing wrong with that, either.

action52 posted...

I mean, we got Dark Fate which wasn't as good as the first two but was way better than the other sequels we've had. Isn't that basically the same as Alien: Romulus?

I wouldn't put Predator in that category either. The first movie was very good but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece like the other two. Then we had two dogshit sequels, over 20 years. But since the 2018 movie they've all been pretty good.

These are my opinions, of course. You may disagree. But I think a lot of people feel the same way, so...

I haven't sen any of the newer movies mentioned, but the consensus for Romulus seems quite a bit better than Dark Fate, which was fairly controversial

I feel like people "just ignore" Korra. Including the people who made it at this point, all the toys and merchandise are exclusively the first Avatar series.

MuscleRobo posted...

I feel like people "just ignore" Korra. Including the people who made it at this point, all the toys and merchandise are exclusively the first Avatar series.

As it should be.

while Korra definitely does undermine the preceding series, the highs are high enough to look past it for me. the lows (end of s1, all of 2, all of 4) are excruciating