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Every single ghost story boils down to wind, shadows, or someones overactive imagination. No ghouls under the bed, no vampires in Transylvania, no swamp creature lurking behind the shed. Just people freaking themselves out for fun. Change my mind.

Humans are superstitious and will fool themselves into thinking something is there to justify it. Comes from our ancestral ape heritage when they had to watch for predators.

Idunno, some people eat cereal without milk. You gonna tell me they're not monsters?

TyVulpine posted...

Humans are superstitious and will fool themselves into thinking something is there to justify it. Comes from our ancestral ape heritage when they had to watch for predators.

Partly that, and partly the natural human inclination to grift.

knightoffire55 posted...

Every single ghost story boils down to wind, shadows, or someones overactive imagination

And also people making shit up. Seems to be a decent grift these days.

There's no need to rude about it or act like you're some superior person just because don't believe in that stuff

Oh yeah? Then explain this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fd2512ea.png

Succubuses and incubuses probably originated from people having a combination of sleep paralysis and a sex dream.

Meh. I don't believe in ghosts and such, but I'd say it's pure arrogance to completely dismiss even the remote possibility.

Prove to me that ghosts dont exist.

Sariana21 posted...

Prove to me that ghosts dont exist.

My only argument is that we now live in a society with a bajillion cameras. Shouldn't we have captured some by now?

FolkenRawr posted...

but I'd say it's pure arrogance to completely dismiss even the remote possibility

Personally I don't see any reasonable basis for believing in ghosts. It seems to be purely an emotional thing, like the hope for an afterlife or existence of the soul. So it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to dismiss the possibility unless/until there is some actual factuals.

For the record I wish I could believe in that stuff still. I used to be into Wicca until I realized that for me it was indeed just for fun. Wished I could have actually believed. I've also resorted to praying to "God" at certain desperate moments. It's impossible for me to believe.

I don't know about ghost and monsters, but there's definitely ghouls. Little green ghouls.

FolkenRawr posted...

Meh. I don't believe in ghosts and such, but I'd say it's pure arrogance to completely dismiss even the remote possibility.

As arrogant as it is to completely dismiss that people can fly with psychic powers if only they believe enough.

Chadawah posted...

I don't know about ghost and monsters, but there's definitely ghouls. Little green ghouls.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1a31eb9f.jpg

VeggetaX posted...

My only argument is that we now live in a society with a bajillion cameras. Shouldn't we have captured some by now?

I mean there are videos of what people claim to be ghosts but since that shit can be staged or manipulated they wouldn't be taken as proof anyhow.

I don't believe in ghosts mind you.

The 'how can you be so arrogant?' argument is a favourite of flat earthers, anti vaxxers, and climate change deniers.

It's a 'my feels are just as valid as your science' thing.

Fictional things are still things.

Sariana21 posted...

Prove to me that ghosts dont exist.

We don't have to. If you contend something fantastical exists, it's upon you to prove it. Not us to disprove it.

Prove to me pigs can't fly.

Akuryu posted...

We don't have to. If you contend something fantastical exists, it's upon you to prove it. Not us to disprove it.

Prove to me pigs can't fly.

This is misguided, in the same vein as the "prove a negative" fallacy that isn't actually a fallacy. It isn't always impossible to prove a negative, and burden of proof exists upon assertion. Internet forums really like to use burden of proof to implicitly assert an opposing statement while dodging burden of proof for themselves.

You'll note in the very quote you use that @sariana21 is not technically asserting that ghosts exist in the same way you are not technically asserting that they definitely do not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvfHz5jwDF8

Zikten posted...

Succubuses and incubuses probably originated from people having a combination of sleep paralysis and a sex dream.

I remember that dude on here who kept saying succubi were real and he's dealt with them or some shit before. Was real weird. lol

Sleep paralysis can be haunting and traumatic for real

Heineken14 posted...

I remember that dude on here who kept saying succubi were real and he's dealt with them or some shit before. Was real weird. lol

Didn't DementedDurian claim they were a succubus?

Grabbed By The Ghoulies

ai123 posted...

Didn't DementedDurian claim they were a succubus?

That might have been it. I just remember him talking about them a lot and that they existed.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Idunno, some people eat cereal without milk. You gonna tell me they're not monsters?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c5f5e497.jpg

Board_hunter567 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvfHz5jwDF8

lol this show really needed some editing. Just watching DK flap his arms around while singing is really unsettling. Werent most of the songs like that? I remember thinking it was weird when i saw it on tv too

Legends about monsters probably originated when human ancestors encountered huge animals (megafauna) like Megatherium, Megalania, the moa etc.

The stories were probably passed down to future generations as monsters all the way to the present day even though most of those huge animals are already extinct.

Evening_Dragon posted...

This is misguided, in the same vein as the "prove a negative" fallacy that isn't actually a fallacy. It isn't always impossible to prove a negative, and burden of proof exists upon assertion. Internet forums really like to use burden of proof to implicitly assert an opposing statement while dodging burden of proof for themselves.

You'll note in the very quote you use that @sariana21 is not technically asserting that ghosts exist in the same way you are not technically asserting that they definitely do not.

I never thought I'd see a post on CE that actually thinks about logic critically. Well done.

TyVulpine posted...

Humans are superstitious and will fool themselves into thinking something is there to justify it. Comes from our ancestral ape heritage when they had to watch for predators.

On the other hand, there have been at least three instances in my life that I cannot rationally explain.
First time I wasn't feeling well and had stayed home from school. I was in the family room laying on the couch watching The Price Is Right. (This was probably back around 1984) I looked up at the ceiling fan in the room and there was a small white figure about 2-3 inches tall that looked to be lifting each leg up and down rapidly, then it looked straight down at me, even though it had no visible facial features, and jumped up to the ceiling and simply disappeared.
The second time, I was living in an apartment with a roommate. My room was opposite the kitchen, and I had gotten up during the night to get something to drink. I turned the light off in the kitchen, so that the only light on was a nightlight in the living room beside my bedroom and opposite the kitchen. A ball of light suddenly appeared in front of my bedroom door, and swung in a downwards arc towards the living room, then stopped and did a 90 degree turn and sped at high speed directly towards the nightlight in the living room and vanished.
The third time, I was at work, alone in the backroom mopping, when I felt something like a fork gently poke me three times in the back on the right side. Several other people that work in that area also have had encounters with something.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

I never thought I'd see a post on CE that actually thinks about logic critically. Well done.

I came to the internet to get into it. Then I found CE.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Internet forums really like to use burden of proof to implicitly assert an opposing statement while dodging burden of proof for themselves.

Are you saying that rejecting an assertion is the same as asserting the negative?

TyVulpine posted...

The second time, I was living in an apartment with a roommate. My room was opposite the kitchen, and I had gotten up during the night to get something to drink. I turned the light off in the kitchen, so that the only light on was a nightlight in the living room beside my bedroom and opposite the kitchen. A ball of light suddenly appeared in front of my bedroom door, and swung in a downwards arc towards the living room, then stopped and did a 90 degree turn and sped at high speed directly towards the nightlight in the living room and vanished.

That one, at least, could have a natural explanation in that you may have encountered ball lightning.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c7c1857e.jpg

He sounds like the judge in ghostbusters 2