Current Events > Proof Trump manipulated 2024 election?

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I find this video very interesting. Im not some crazy statistic guy so I dont want to say one way or the other. I will say that the evidence he presents seems very convincing to me. Maybe some of yall might have better understanding of statistics and can either confirm or deny his claims. Im really curious what yall think. I always found it crazy that he won EVERY SWING STATE.

https://youtu.be/1nus5JA3Vh4?si=1IAH3KgMgn-okKbu

yeah, the Election Truth Alliance has done a lot of investigating about this. hasn't really gotten much attention though. more shows like David Pakman should have them on.

The question isnt whether he tried or not. Its how much (if any) of the vote came from such, versus how much just came from a lot of people being really stupid and/or hateful, and whether it was enough to tip the scales or just enough to make the win sound bigger than it was.

It was pretty obvious if you paid attention.

Him screaching about election interference from the left was pretty much propaganda to set up accusations aimed at him not being taken seriously.

he had been projecting about rigging the election for literally half a decade.

Is this still that same claim from awhile ago where they don't have any proof other than like "Iunno man, it don't add up, it's weird!"

Do I think the 2024 election was tampered with? No, I do not. I think our system is safe, (aside from the usual GOP voter suppression tactics) and I think there are enough plausible reasons why Trump was reelected, dumb as those reasons are.

Would I fall over in shock if it was discovered that this evil administration, which already tried a coup once, found some way to cheat its way to victory? And that Trump crying about fraud for four full fucking years was the biggest amount of projection possible? Also no.

Heineken14 posted...

Is this still that same claim from awhile ago where they don't have any proof other than like "Iunno man, it don't add up, it's weird!"

more like there were certain aberrant patterns found in some of the 2024 voting tallies that strongly resembled what's referred to as the "Russian Tail" which have occurred in Russian elections that are known to have been manipulated.

ETA is just taking the claims made by 2020's Trump acolytes and trying to rework them to attack Trump for the purpose of grifting money. It's an extremely bullshit thing and while I mostly like Pakman him platforming this guy and this organization is embarassing when the claims, as they never have, explain split ticket voting that undermines the function of the rigging nor the matching of historical vote patterns.

When combined with the correct acknowledgment that figures like Musk and Trump and their most dedicate acolytes are incompetent and skirt by on influence or detail, the premise they can so convincingly rig an election comes into question if there are no obvious signs.

For the Democratic leadership, it is an unleashed partisan dog they can refuse to acknowledge but hope for assist, because it absolves that establishment of its blame in losing an election (or) the decisions that made it potentially unwinnable. Question's of Biden's health and ego can be ignored and thus questions why people followed this can be ignored if only you say, somehow, Arizona was "rigged."

It made sense logistically for Trump to employ this as a defensive strategy but a lack of willing voices and a court system unsympathetic made it thankfully doomed from the outset. I believe his intent was always to retain the Presidency but was simply told by many appointees and judges "No." under immense pressure even he could not discard with the then-existent military leadership.

For some to play this card feels more like a grift than an earnest attempt at anything. Even the most ardent "2020 was stolen" diehards conceded via contradiction they will simply win the next by "overwhelming fake votes," a premise that makes no sense given their explanations of how it was "stolen" in their propaganda fueled worldview.

This solely exists as fringe apologia for the current slate of Democratic leadership and acts an attempt to stay infighting ahead of primaries. Given the current leadership's weakness, it's a whole batch of trash that makes no sense. Even Bush 04 conspiracies, frankly, had more juice to them, and I think those are absurd.

Elections in this country are stolen by vote suppression and partisan court rulings. While it's unlikely Heitkamp was ever winning 2018's senate race, the decision to discard voter rolls on street addresses that didn't apply to native reservations when these votes were key to her victory in 2012 is a blatant act of voter suppression. When Florida's republican government and a conservative Supreme Court sidewind Gore for asking for a recount, it is a partisan electoral decision by the judiciary to falsely elect a president without a proper vote.

You can find no shortage of things things plastered in electoral politics but the precinct data spells it out loud and clear: Harris ran a bad campaign, either because she was not given time to define herself or because Biden's ego made the race short. Elon Musk kiddie scripting retreads of 2020 conspiracies isn't why.

There were a lot of voter drop boxes on fire last election.

Cheaters gonna cheat? No way!

Also, wasn't he saying he had a trick up his sleeve during his campaign. Then bragging about how well Elon Musk knew the voting machines, and some guys "jokingly" admitted to help sabotage them?

Westernwolf4 posted...

Do I think the 2024 election was tampered with? No, I do not. I think our system is safe, (aside from the usual GOP voter suppression tactics) and I think there are enough plausible reasons why Trump was reelected, dumb as those reasons are.

Would I fall over in shock if it was discovered that this evil administration, which already tried a coup once, found some way to cheat its way to victory? And that Trump crying about fraud for four full fucking years was the biggest amount of projection possible? Also no.

What would make me fall over in shock is if Trump and his criminal gang found a way to change vote counts in places like NY and CA.

Westernwolf4 posted...

I think our system is safe, (aside from the usual GOP voter suppression tactics)

That "aside" is doing enough heavy lifting to rival Atlas.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

That "aside" is doing enough heavy lifting to rival Atlas.

The thing I dislike most about the fraudulent vote counts in 2024 conspiracy theory is that it's a distraction from the ways Republicans really steal elections.

EPR-radar posted...

The thing I dislike most about the fraudulent vote counts in 2024 conspiracy theory is that it's a distraction from the ways Republicans really steal elections.

I haven't looked into the details of the conspiracy theory so I don't know if it has any credibility, but is it really so implausible that the Republicans would do both?

If Donald Trump is accusing his enemies of doing something, that is 100% confirmation he's doing it himself. That's the way his brain works, its always projection

Boombam99 posted...

If Donald Trump is accusing his enemies of doing something, that is 100% confirmation he's doing it himself. That's the way his brain works, its always projection

Not just trump, rightwingers in general.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

I haven't looked into the details of the conspiracy theory so I don't know if it has any credibility, but is it really so implausible that the Republicans would do both?

Of course Republicans would like to do both.

But the election of 2024 was a significant rightward shift nationwide, even in places like NY and CA where Republicans aren't in a position to mess with vote totals.

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