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mybbqrules 09/11/25 3:10:25 PM #101:	Westernwolf4 posted... Respectfully: There was no plan that could have been put in place that would be effective with MAGA controlling every branch of government. It was up to the voters to put a check, any check, on Trump. We blew it. I voted for Harris. What's this "we" shit. Dio posted... You blame protest voters for everything. You seem to think if every protest voter suddenly voted we would win when that's very obviously not the case. The amount of protest voters was negligible. More Democrats just sat out because they were lazy and apathetic and don't actually care that much. Except for the whole "protest voters on this very site were handwaving for Trump and blaming dems for everything while also claiming to TOTALLY be dems for realsies, you guys" part. Plus, they're still doing it *NOW, after they've already been proven completely wrong in the first 6 months of Trump's term. Plus plus, the Dearborn Dipshits have outright stated that THEY* got Trump elected, seems to me that Humble's statement is rather accurate. And lastly, it's not like they were running interference for Trump online then NOT doing the exact same thing in their real lives. If they convinced even one person to not vote Harris, they helped Trump. Period. --- Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. You know it, I know it, and he knows it. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:986373899] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Westernwolf4 posted... </cite><quote>Respectfully: There was no plan that could have been put in place that would be effective with MAGA controlling every branch of government.It was up to the voters to put a check, any check, on Trump. We blew it.</quote>I voted for Harris. What's this "we" shit.Dio posted... </cite><quote>You blame protest voters for everything. You seem to think if every protest voter suddenly voted we would win when that's very obviously not the case. The amount of protest voters was negligible. More Democrats just sat out because they were lazy and apathetic and don't actually care that much.</quote>Except for the whole "protest voters on this very site were handwaving for Trump and blaming dems for everything while also claiming to TOTALLY be dems for realsies, you guys" part. Plus, they're still doing it NOW, after they've already been proven completely wrong in the first 6 months of Trump's term. Plus plus, the Dearborn Dipshits have outright stated that THEY got Trump elected, seems to me that Humble's statement is rather accurate.And lastly, it's not like they were running interference for Trump online then NOT doing the exact same thing in their real lives. If they convinced even one person to not vote Harris, they helped Trump. Period.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 09/11/25 3:11:54 PM #102:	Reminder that if Harris or Biden were shot, the response from the right would not be the same at all. --- Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. You know it, I know it, and he knows it. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:986373912] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Reminder that if Harris or Biden were shot, the response from the right would not be the same at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westernwolf4 09/11/25 3:16:18 PM #103:	mybbqrules posted... I voted for Harris. What is this we shit. I voted for Harris too. Obviously. But we are all part of an electorate that made the wrong choice. I think I have been pretty clear about who I believe is responsible for this state of affairs on this forum in post after post. It isnt Harris voters certainly. But we collectively failed in our objective, since a bad faith entity masquerading as a political party now controls every part of the federal government. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. <cite>Westernwolf4 posted [p:986373965] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>mybbqrules posted... </cite>I voted for Harris. What is this we shit.I voted for Harris too. Obviously. But we are all part of an electorate that made the wrong choice.I think I have been pretty clear about who I believe is responsible for this state of affairs on this forum in post after post. It isnt Harris voters certainly. But we collectively failed in our objective, since a bad faith entity masquerading as a political party now controls every part of the federal government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thanatos_the_Great 09/11/25 3:17:58 PM #104:	LightSnake posted... Oh wow god forbid we assign some portion of blame to the people screaming "Do what we want or lose" after a loss. It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. The Democrats ignored it. And they, and the whole country, are now facing the consequences of that. --- Re-open board 261. <cite>Thanatos_the_Great posted [p:986373985] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Oh wow god forbid we assign some portion of blame to the people screaming "Do what we want or lose" after a loss.</quote>It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. The Democrats ignored it. And they, and the whole country, are now facing the consequences of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/11/25 3:19:32 PM #105:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. CoGs and their attempts at altering reality never cease to be amusing. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:986373996] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>It wasn't a threat, it was a warning.</quote>CoGs and their attempts at altering reality never cease to be amusing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff_AKA_Snoopy 09/11/25 3:20:33 PM #106:	I still say a Walz/Harris ticket with Walz being the POTUS nomination would have won. --- Lindsay - Jan 13, 1990 - July 17, 2023 Thank you for fighting the fight for so long for me. <cite>Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted [p:986374008] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>I still say a Walz/Harris ticket with Walz being the POTUS nomination would have won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 09/11/25 3:21:11 PM #107:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. The Democrats ignored it. And they, and the whole country, are now facing the consequences of that. Oh, have we swapped from "quit being mean to us we don't have any power " back to "shoulda listened to us, now look" again? I can never keep track of if y'all are impotent victims or omnipotent oracles, it keeps switching. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:986374013] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. The Democrats ignored it. And they, and the whole country, are now facing the consequences of that.</quote>Oh, have we swapped from "quit being mean to us we don't have any power " back to "shoulda listened to us, now look" again?I can never keep track of if y'all are impotent victims or omnipotent oracles, it keeps switching.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 09/11/25 3:21:50 PM #108:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. The Democrats ignored it. And they, and the whole country, are now facing the consequences of that. It was 100 percent a threat. Don't even try to gaslight us on this --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:986374021] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>It wasn't a threat, it was a warning. The Democrats ignored it. And they, and the whole country, are now facing the consequences of that.</quote>It was 100 percent a threat. Don't even try to gaslight us on this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gikos 09/11/25 3:24:11 PM #109:	Enclave posted... It's just frustrating, I thought these sorts mostly got suspended and no longer had CE access but this Charlie Kirk assassination has just brought them back out of the woodwork. A_Good_Boy posted... They've been keeping their head down for the most part. They come out of the woodwork during the crazy political stuff then get banned and run to reddit to complain about how unfairly they're treated. pretty much they were always here. just hiding and using alts to not lose their access on CE the few accounts they have --- "You can pretend to be serious; you can't pretend to be witty." - Sacha Guitry (1885-1957) <cite>gikos posted [p:986374042] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Enclave posted... </cite><quote>It's just frustrating, I thought these sorts mostly got suspended and no longer had CE access but this Charlie Kirk assassination has just brought them back out of the woodwork.</quote>A_Good_Boy posted... </cite><quote>They've been keeping their head down for the most part. They come out of the woodwork during the crazy political stuff then get banned and run to reddit to complain about how unfairly they're treated.</quote>pretty much they were always here. just hiding and using alts to not lose their access on CE the few accounts they have</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GS4Life 09/11/25 3:24:35 PM #110:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... While she's correct, it's also true that even a comatose Biden would be a better option than Trump --- -Grove Street 4 Life- Hey Bayley! Oh! Ah! I wanna know! <cite>GS4Life posted [p:986374045] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite><quote>While she's correct, it's also true that even a comatose Biden would be a better option than Trump</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 09/11/25 3:31:22 PM #111:	Its pretty ridiculous to accept that complaint from the one person who most benefitted from Biden being ejected from the ticket only after it was too late to do anything else. Either she was a huge a part of the problem or she was shamelessly exploiting it. --- Moustache twirling villain https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:986374112] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Its pretty ridiculous to accept that complaint from the one person who most benefitted from Biden being ejected from the ticket only after it was too late to do anything else.Either she was a huge a part of the problem or she was shamelessly exploiting it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 09/11/25 4:18:10 PM #112:	Oh look, Thanatos the non-american CoG is in here doing what all CoG does: blame democrats for everything while ignoring Trump. Classic CoG! --- Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. You know it, I know it, and he knows it. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:986374527] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Oh look, Thanatos the non-american CoG is in here doing what all CoG does: blame democrats for everything while ignoring Trump.Classic CoG!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer2111 09/12/25 12:11:16 AM #113:	Accolon posted... Dude's a chud with weapons grade bad takes. Just ignore him. Why are you guys like this? I pointed out that overwhelmingly most of society isnt into the more extreme progressive policies. Thats all. Its not a matter of what I personally do or dont support. You cant be so in your own bubble that you believe that the majority of the population is actually for these things? They simply arent, thats a fact. --- There is no time in history where the people censoring speech were the good guys <cite>Slayer2111 posted [p:986378858] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Dude's a chud with weapons grade bad takes. Just ignore him.</quote>Why are you guys like this? I pointed out that overwhelmingly most of society isnt into the more extreme progressive policies. Thats all. Its not a matter of what I personally do or dont support. You cant be so in your own bubble that you believe that the majority of the population is actually for these things? They simply arent, thats a fact. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smiffwilm 09/12/25 12:14:30 AM #114:	Slayer2111 posted... Why are you guys like this? I pointed out that overwhelmingly most of society isnt into the more extreme progressive policies. Thats all. Its not a matter of what I personally do or dont support. You cant be so in your own bubble that you believe that the majority of the population is actually for these things? They simply arent, thats a fact. Well, since you said this, I have to ask: Source? Like you said, it's "a fact". So there should be some sources for it, surely? --- My Mario Maker 2 ID is 6RG-5XK-JCG <cite>Smiffwilm posted [p:986378880] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Slayer2111 posted... </cite><quote>Why are you guys like this? I pointed out that overwhelmingly most of society isnt into the more extreme progressive policies. Thats all. Its not a matter of what I personally do or dont support. You cant be so in your own bubble that you believe that the majority of the population is actually for these things? They simply arent, thats a fact.</quote>Well, since you said this, I have to ask: Source?Like you said, it's "a fact". So there should be some sources for it, surely?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/12/25 12:14:31 AM #115:	Slayer2111 posted... Why are you guys like this? I pointed out that overwhelmingly most of society isnt into the more extreme progressive policies. Thats all. Its not a matter of what I personally do or dont support. You cant be so in your own bubble that you believe that the majority of the population is actually for these things? They simply arent, thats a fact. The instant you use the term "both sides" either explicitly or by implication then you lose literally everyone who's not a conservative chud. If you want your messages to be taken seriously then learn how to communicate to your audience. Or don't. Whatever. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:986378881] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Slayer2111 posted... </cite><quote>Why are you guys like this? I pointed out that overwhelmingly most of society isnt into the more extreme progressive policies. Thats all. Its not a matter of what I personally do or dont support. You cant be so in your own bubble that you believe that the majority of the population is actually for these things? They simply arent, thats a fact.</quote>The instant you use the term "both sides" either explicitly or by implication then you lose literally everyone who's not a conservative chud. If you want your messages to be taken seriously then learn how to communicate to your audience. Or don't. Whatever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanaya413 09/12/25 12:15:17 AM #116:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... While she's correct, it's also true that even a comatose Biden would be a better option than Trump --- Legend of Legaia is the best game ever Legend of Dragoon is the other best game ever <cite>Kanaya413 posted [p:986378885] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite><quote>While she's correct, it's also true that even a comatose Biden would be a better option than Trump</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/12/25 12:18:37 AM #117:	Trans women being women isn't a "extreme" take. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986378913] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Trans women being women isn't a "extreme" take.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer2111 09/12/25 12:23:59 AM #118:	https://nypost.com/2025/01/19/us-news/nyt-poll-finds-majority-of-democrats-oppose-transgender-athletes-in-womens-sports/ theres one source. The New York Times did a poll. Heres a completely different poll that addresses both topics https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/ i cant believe that anybody finds this even a little surprising. Trump won the election. We are discussing reasons why. This is among the reasons why. People are scared and ignorant about ideas they dont understand or that challenge their worldview and will vote for what they find safe. It probably effected shit to some degree. --- There is no time in history where the people censoring speech were the good guys <cite>Slayer2111 posted [p:986378939] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>https://nypost.com/2025/01/19/us-news/nyt-poll-finds-majority-of-democrats-oppose-transgender-athletes-in-womens-sports/theres one source. The New York Times did a poll. Heres a completely different poll that addresses both topicshttps://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/i cant believe that anybody finds this even a little surprising. Trump won the election. We are discussing reasons why. This is among the reasons why. People are scared and ignorant about ideas they dont understand or that challenge their worldview and will vote for what they find safe. It probably effected shit to some degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer2111 09/12/25 12:25:44 AM #119:	Umbreon posted... Trans women being women isn't a "extreme" take. Ok, listen, try to understand what Im saying. I am not personally saying its an extreme take. Im saying that many many people do. You know thats true. Im not saying, at all, that its a good thing that many many people do, but many people do. It were talking about how that translates to an election, and were being just realisticthose same people vote. It affects things. Thats all Im trying to say, holy shit. You guys are really like insisting on turning this into me bashing people and that is not at all my intention. I feel like Im being very reasonable and respectful and havent said a single bad thing about anybody and Im certainly not anti-trans. Im just looking at the situation and how people feel and how that might have translated in the election, thats all. --- There is no time in history where the people censoring speech were the good guys <cite>Slayer2111 posted [p:986378947] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite><quote>Trans women being women isn't a "extreme" take.</quote>Ok, listen, try to understand what Im saying. I am not personally saying its an extreme take. Im saying that many many people do. You know thats true. Im not saying, at all, that its a good thing that many many people do, but many people do. It were talking about how that translates to an election, and were being just realisticthose same people vote. It affects things. Thats all Im trying to say, holy shit.You guys are really like insisting on turning this into me bashing people and that is not at all my intention. I feel like Im being very reasonable and respectful and havent said a single bad thing about anybody and Im certainly not anti-trans. Im just looking at the situation and how people feel and how that might have translated in the election, thats all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/12/25 12:30:02 AM #120:	Slayer2111 posted... https://nypost.com/2025/01/19/us-news/nyt-poll-finds-majority-of-democrats-oppose-transgender-athletes-in-womens-sports/ theres one source. The New York Times did a poll. Heres a completely different poll that addresses both topics https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/ i cant believe that anybody finds this even a little surprising. Trump won the election. We are discussing reasons why. This is among the reasons why. Slayer2111 posted... https://nypost.com/2025/01/19/us-news/nyt-poll-finds-majority-of-democrats-oppose-transgender-athletes-in-womens-sports/ theres one source. The New York Times did a poll. Heres a completely different poll that addresses both topics https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/ i cant believe that anybody finds this even a little surprising. Trump won the election. We are discussing reasons why. This is among the reasons why. If your polls say that the majority don't support that then why did you go off on a rant saying that the left did? Where's the follow up data that shows Dems ran on an unpopular position when in reality they avoided the topic entirely and it was really the right throwing the issue in their face? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:986378967] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Slayer2111 posted... </cite><quote>https://nypost.com/2025/01/19/us-news/nyt-poll-finds-majority-of-democrats-oppose-transgender-athletes-in-womens-sports/theres one source. The New York Times did a poll.Heres a completely different poll that addresses both topicshttps://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/i cant believe that anybody finds this even a little surprising. Trump won the election. We are discussing reasons why. This is among the reasons why.</quote>Slayer2111 posted... </cite><quote>https://nypost.com/2025/01/19/us-news/nyt-poll-finds-majority-of-democrats-oppose-transgender-athletes-in-womens-sports/theres one source. The New York Times did a poll. Heres a completely different poll that addresses both topicshttps://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/i cant believe that anybody finds this even a little surprising. Trump won the election. We are discussing reasons why. This is among the reasons why.</quote>If your polls say that the majority don't support that then why did you go off on a rant saying that the left did? Where's the follow up data that shows Dems ran on an unpopular position when in reality they avoided the topic entirely and it was really the right throwing the issue in their face? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/12/25 12:32:13 AM #121:	Deciding on whatever or not people are treated like human beings based on whatever it's "politically popular" is an complicated way of being against those people. It was unpopular for women to be able to vote at one point. It was unpopular for black people to be able to eat at restaurants at one point. How much longer should trans people have to wait around before the greater part of society becomes comfortable with them? --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986378979] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Deciding on whatever or not people are treated like human beings based on whatever it's "politically popular" is an complicated way of being against those people. It was unpopular for women to be able to vote at one point. It was unpopular for black people to be able to eat at restaurants at one point.How much longer should trans people have to wait around before the greater part of society becomes comfortable with them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/12/25 12:34:47 AM #122:	And yeah, the left didn't really run on trans people. The right sure as fuck ran on (hating) trans people and they're the ones that won the election. So is your suggestion that the left should start loudly hating trans people? Cause just think about how it might have "translated in the election"... --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986378993] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>And yeah, the left didn't really run on trans people. The right sure as fuck ran on (hating) trans people and they're the ones that won the election. So is your suggestion that the left should start loudly hating trans people?Cause just think about how it might have "translated in the election"...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 09/12/25 12:41:17 AM #123:	Umbreon posted... And yeah, the left didn't really run on trans people. The right sure as fuck ran on (hating) trans people and they're the ones that won the election. So is your suggestion that the left should start loudly hating trans people? Cause just think about how it might have "translated in the election"... Hating trans people fires up the the right. Defending trans people doesn't exactly fire up any side (left/center) the same way and actually can irritate the ignorant centrists who are "swing voters". It may just be the case because the country is center-right (and the average voter isn't all that bright either, I posted the image) as it is, mind you. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/24d27a6f.jpg --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:986379036] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite><quote>And yeah, the left didn't really run on trans people. The right sure as fuck ran on (hating) trans people and they're the ones that won the election. So is your suggestion that the left should start loudly hating trans people?Cause just think about how it might have "translated in the election"...</quote>Hating trans people fires up the the right. Defending trans people doesn't exactly fire up any side (left/center) the same way and actually can irritate the ignorant centrists who are "swing voters".It may just be the case because the country is center-right (and the average voter isn't all that bright either, I posted the image) as it is, mind you. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/24d27a6f.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer2111 09/12/25 12:41:18 AM #124:	Umbreon posted... And yeah, the left didn't really run on trans people. The right sure as fuck ran on (hating) trans people and they're the ones that won the election. So is your suggestion that the left should start loudly hating trans people? Cause just think about how it might have "translated in the election"... No. I dont know what they should have done. Certianly, certainly not that. God no. I truthfully dont have a good answer, maybe they did do the best they could given the rock and hard place they found themselves in. and for the record, I think you have every right to exist exactly as you are, and fuck anybody who says otherwise. --- There is no time in history where the people censoring speech were the good guys <cite>Slayer2111 posted [p:986379037] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite><quote>And yeah, the left didn't really run on trans people. The right sure as fuck ran on (hating) trans people and they're the ones that won the election. So is your suggestion that the left should start loudly hating trans people?Cause just think about how it might have "translated in the election"...</quote>No. I dont know what they should have done. Certianly, certainly not that. God no. I truthfully dont have a good answer, maybe they did do the best they could given the rock and hard place they found themselves in. and for the record, I think you have every right to exist exactly as you are, and fuck anybody who says otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer2111 09/12/25 12:49:36 AM #125:	Charged151 posted... Hating trans people fires up the the right. Defending trans people doesn't exactly fire up any side (left/center) the same way and actually can irritate the ignorant centrists who are "swing voters". It may just be the case because the country is center-right (and the average voter isn't all that bright either, I posted the image) as it is, mind you. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/24d27a6f.jpg This is a good way of explaining what I was trying to get across. It wasnt meant to be an attack at all. --- There is no time in history where the people censoring speech were the good guys <cite>Slayer2111 posted [p:986379088] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote> </cite>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>Hating trans people fires up the the right. Defending trans people doesn't exactly fire up any side (left/center) the same way and actually can irritate the ignorant centrists who are "swing voters".It may just be the case because the country is center-right (and the average voter isn't all that bright either, I posted the image) as it is, mind you. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/24d27a6f.jpg</quote>This is a good way of explaining what I was trying to get across. It wasnt meant to be an attack at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/12/25 12:50:13 AM #126:	There is no easy path to progress. We must keep moving forward, because bigots will never accept those who are different. There will never be a convenient enough time. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986379096] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>There is no easy path to progress.We must keep moving forward, because bigots will never accept those who are different. There will never be a convenient enough time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
El_Dustino 09/12/25 12:51:09 AM #127:	Kamala said literally fuck and all about trans people, her "support" of us did not cost her the election, and when dems pushed back against the repugs transphobic screed they over performed in the midterms. Even republican voters have said they are getting tired of their politicians talking about trans people. --- The two most beautiful words in any language: I forgive. AC:NL Dream Address: 5700-3355-4304 <cite>El_Dustino posted [p:986379106] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Kamala said literally fuck and all about trans people, her "support" of us did not cost her the election, and when dems pushed back against the repugs transphobic screed they over performed in the midterms. Even republican voters have said they are getting tired of their politicians talking about trans people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
El_Dustino 09/12/25 12:57:36 AM #128:	LightSnake posted... Kamala Harris still wins, except now the primary has had extra time for protesters to call her a psychopathic genocidal maniac. Well that didn't really affect her the in this timeline so I'm unsure if that would have made any difference in a timeline where she won the primary. However, there probably would have been more time spent with the Clinton consultants who tanked her campaign, so there is a good chance she still would have lost with a primary, but it would have been closer. But overall it would have given her a better chance, and there was the smaller chance of a better candidate winning the primary. --- The two most beautiful words in any language: I forgive. AC:NL Dream Address: 5700-3355-4304 <cite>El_Dustino posted [p:986379156] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Kamala Harris still wins, except now the primary has had extra time for protesters to call her a psychopathic genocidal maniac.</quote>Well that didn't really affect her the in this timeline so I'm unsure if that would have made any difference in a timeline where she won the primary.However, there probably would have been more time spent with the Clinton consultants who tanked her campaign, so there is a good chance she still would have lost with a primary, but it would have been closer. But overall it would have given her a better chance, and there was the smaller chance of a better candidate winning the primary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 09/12/25 1:07:30 AM #129:	Come to think about it...both sides were terrible in regards to primaries in 2024. Republicans had primaries but allowed Trump to skip the debates and he still won by a significant margin. Democrats barely had one (Biden didn't step aside + no official debates). I still have doubt Harris would have won if a primary was held. Her showing in the 2020 primary was terrible. VP advantage or not... --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:986379239] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Come to think about it...both sides were terrible in regards to primaries in 2024. Republicans had primaries but allowed Trump to skip the debates and he still won by a significant margin. Democrats barely had one (Biden didn't step aside + no official debates). I still have doubt Harris would have won if a primary was held. Her showing in the 2020 primary was terrible. VP advantage or not...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 09/12/25 1:08:08 AM #130:	Charged151 posted... Come to think about it...both sides were terrible in regards to primaries in 2024. Republicans had primaries but allowed Trump to skip the debates and he still won by a significant margin. Dems didn't have one at all when Biden should have stepped aside and allowed one. I still have doubt Harris would have won one. Her showing in the 2020 primary was terrible. VP advantage or not? There's a HUGE difference between "unknown senator" and "Vice President." Biden ran in two primaries before 2020. He got zero delegates --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:986379244] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>Come to think about it...both sides were terrible in regards to primaries in 2024. Republicans had primaries but allowed Trump to skip the debates and he still won by a significant margin. Dems didn't have one at all when Biden should have stepped aside and allowed one. I still have doubt Harris would have won one. Her showing in the 2020 primary was terrible. VP advantage or not?</quote>There's a HUGE difference between "unknown senator" and "Vice President."Biden ran in two primaries before 2020. He got zero delegates</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 09/12/25 1:10:21 AM #131:	LightSnake posted... There's a HUGE difference between "unknown senator" and "Vice President." Biden ran in two primaries before 2020. He got zero delegates Considering Harris was basically a non-presence for almost all of Biden's Presidency, you could almost forget she was VP. Would it have helped? Probably. Enough to give her the win? I have doubt, but I guess we will never know. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:986379252] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>There's a HUGE difference between "unknown senator" and "Vice President."Biden ran in two primaries before 2020. He got zero delegates</quote>Considering Harris was basically a non-presence for almost all of Biden's Presidency, you could almost forget she was VP. Would it have helped? Probably. Enough to give her the win? I have doubt, but I guess we will never know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Red_XIV 09/12/25 1:14:55 AM #132:	Dio posted... You blame protest voters for everything. Yes. I do. Every single "protest voter" is just as guilty as the Trump himself. --- "We will end our resilience for bad things." "We have pioneered the fatality rate." More brilliant insights from Donald Chump <cite>Red_XIV posted [p:986379285] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Dio posted... </cite><quote>You blame protest voters for everything.</quote>Yes. I do. Every single "protest voter" is just as guilty as the Trump himself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Red_XIV 09/12/25 1:16:22 AM #133:	Charged151 posted... Come to think about it...both sides were terrible in regards to primaries in 2024. Republicans had primaries but allowed Trump to skip the debates and he still won by a significant margin. Democrats didn't have one at all when Biden should have stepped aside and allowed one. I still have doubt Harris would have won if a primary was held. Her showing in the 2020 primary was terrible. VP advantage or not... That is a blatant lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries --- "We will end our resilience for bad things." "We have pioneered the fatality rate." More brilliant insights from Donald Chump <cite>Red_XIV posted [p:986379296] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>Come to think about it...both sides were terrible in regards to primaries in 2024. Republicans had primaries but allowed Trump to skip the debates and he still won by a significant margin. Democrats didn't have one at all when Biden should have stepped aside and allowed one. I still have doubt Harris would have won if a primary was held. Her showing in the 2020 primary was terrible. VP advantage or not...</quote>That is a blatant lie.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
El_Dustino 09/12/25 1:21:05 AM #134:	Charged151 posted... Considering Harris was basically a non-presence for almost all of Biden's Presidency, you could almost forget she was VP. Would it have helped? Probably. Enough to give her the win? I have doubt, but I guess we will never know. It really depends on who decided to run in the primary, it's not like we had or even currently have a ton of stellar options. --- The two most beautiful words in any language: I forgive. AC:NL Dream Address: 5700-3355-4304 <cite>El_Dustino posted [p:986379329] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>Considering Harris was basically a non-presence for almost all of Biden's Presidency, you could almost forget she was VP. Would it have helped? Probably. Enough to give her the win? I have doubt, but I guess we will never know.</quote>It really depends on who decided to run in the primary, it's not like we had or even currently have a ton of stellar options.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 09/12/25 1:28:30 AM #135:	Red_XIV posted... That is a blatant lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries Ah... I should have phrased that better. Not that it is much different as long as a sitting President is running. Plus, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) declined to sanction any official primary debates + Biden didn't attend any of the unofficial ones. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:986379382] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Red_XIV posted... </cite><quote>That is a blatant lie.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries</quote>Ah... I should have phrased that better. Not that it is much different as long as a sitting President is running. Plus, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) declined to sanction any official primary debates + Biden didn't attend any of the unofficial ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 09/12/25 1:33:03 AM #136:	El_Dustino posted... It really depends on who decided to run in the primary, it's not like we had or even currently have a ton of stellar options. Impossible to know. Obama was a virtual unknown before running in 2008 and managed to gain support (grassroots support at that) very quickly. Maybe we could have gotten someone like him. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:986379412] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>El_Dustino posted... </cite><quote>It really depends on who decided to run in the primary, it's not like we had or even currently have a ton of stellar options.</quote>Impossible to know. Obama was a virtual unknown before running in 2008 and managed to gain support (grassroots support at that) very quickly. Maybe we could have gotten someone like him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 09/12/25 1:35:55 AM #137:	Charged151 posted... Impossible to know. Obama was a virtual unknown before running in 2008 and managed to gain support (grassroots support at that) very quickly. Maybe we could have gotten someone like him. he spoke at the 2004 DNC. Who would be the one to, again, beat a sitting VP? --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:986379441] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>Impossible to know. Obama was a virtual unknown before running in 2008 and managed to gain support (grassroots support at that) very quickly. Maybe we could have gotten someone like him.</quote>he spoke at the 2004 DNC. Who would be the one to, again, beat a sitting VP?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 09/12/25 1:48:44 AM #138:	LightSnake posted... he spoke at the 2004 DNC. Who would be the one to, again, beat a sitting VP? That just reminds me. Obama's so called "successor" Clinton lost to Trump, but Biden was able to beat Trump. Some of that is due to Trump fumbling COVID in the worst way possible, but if Biden did run in 2016 ~~(I am aware of his personal issues then and why he didn't)~~, do people think that Trump would still have won? Considering Biden doesn't have Clinton's baggage which ultimately doomed her, I think Trump would have lost. And Harris felt like a weaker candidate than either Clinton or Biden (before the 1st debate) was. She also wasn't really visible during Biden's Presidency like Biden (or Clinton for that matter) was during Obama's. Just makes me wish we would have had a proper primary with Biden fulfilling his promise to be a transitional President and not seeking reelection. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:986379495] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>he spoke at the 2004 DNC. Who would be the one to, again, beat a sitting VP?</quote>That just reminds me.Obama's so called "successor" Clinton lost to Trump, but Biden was able to beat Trump. Some of that is due to Trump fumbling COVID in the worst way possible, but if Biden did run in 2016 (I am aware of his personal issues then and why he didn't), do people think that Trump would still have won? Considering Biden doesn't have Clinton's baggage which ultimately doomed her, I think Trump would have lost.And Harris felt like a weaker candidate than either Clinton or Biden (before the 1st debate) was. She also wasn't really visible during Biden's Presidency like Biden (or Clinton for that matter) was during Obama's. Just makes me wish we would have had a proper primary with Biden fulfilling his promise to be a transitional President and not seeking reelection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
El_Dustino 09/12/25 7:25:48 PM #139:	https://www.axios.com/2025/09/11/biden-harris-new-book-uproar The dems are fighting I knew that there was animosity from Biden's camp but I did not realize how much contempt there was between the two lol --- The two most beautiful words in any language: I forgive. AC:NL Dream Address: 5700-3355-4304 <cite>El_Dustino posted [p:986391807] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>https://www.axios.com/2025/09/11/biden-harris-new-book-uproarThe dems are fightingI knew that there was animosity from Biden's camp but I did not realize how much contempt there was between the two lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
name_unknown 09/12/25 7:29:39 PM #140:	https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/kamala-harris-criticism-biden-book-b2824778.html Aides to former President Joe Biden are on the warpath after former Vice President Kamala Harris accused them of sabotaging her presidential campaign. She made the claims which include painting Biden as "reckless" for running again in her new memoir 107 Days, which will be published on September 23. The Atlantic published an excerpt from the book this week. A former Biden official brushed off her criticism and told Axios that she was not an impressive vice president. "Vice President Harris was simply not good at the job," the official, speaking anonymously, said. "She had basically zero substantive role in any of the administration's key work streams, and instead would just dive bomb in for stilted photo ops that exposed how out of depth she was." The official insisted that Biden is "not the reason she struggled in office or tanked her 2019 [presidential] campaign." "Or lost the 2024 campaign, for that matter," the official said. "The independent variable there is the vice president, not Biden or his aides." In the excerpt, Harris recounts her perception of some of the thought process among Biden's team and his allies ahead of the 2024 election, and accuses some of undermining her while she was vice president. "'It's Joe and Jill's decision.' We all said that, like a mantra, as if we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace, or was it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness," Harris wrote. In another section, Harris writes that the stakes for the election were "simply too high" to let "an individual's ego, an individual's ambition" determine who should run against then-former President Donald Trump in 2024. She did accept some responsibility, noting that she should have "perhaps" voiced her concerns then, but didn't want to look like she was making a grab for power. "I was in the worst position to make the case that he should drop out," she wrote. A former Biden aide told Axios Harris's mea culpa wasn't exactly inspiring. "I'm not sure the very robust defense of not having the courage to speak up in the moment about Biden running is quite as persuasive as she thinks it is. If this is her attempt at political absolution: Lots of luck in your senior year," the aide said. Harris also accused Biden's camp of trying to undermine and minimize her while she served as vice president. "Their thinking was zero-sum: If she's shining, he's dimmed. None of them grasped that if I did well, he did well," Harris wrote. "His team didn't get it." She further accused them of being silently accepting of negative news stories about her. "When the stories [about Harris] were unfair or inaccurate, the president's inner circle seemed fine with it. Indeed, it seemed as if they decided I should be knocked down a little bit more," she said. Despite some of the aides' comments, Harris had some sympathetic voices in the former Biden camp. Ron Klain, Biden's former chief of staff, said he thought that Harris "did a good job" in her role as vice president and said he felt "badly that she found the experience negative." Another former aide told Axios that "we all know that Biden folks treated her and her team like s*." "We never thought she would actually say anything," they aide said. "The staffers across a range of ages and positions that I'm talking to are proud of her." <cite>name_unknown posted [p:986391836] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/kamala-harris-criticism-biden-book-b2824778.htmlAides to former President Joe Biden are on the warpath after former Vice President Kamala Harris accused them of sabotaging her presidential campaign.She made the claims which include painting Biden as "reckless" for running again in her new memoir 107 Days, which will be published on September 23. The Atlantic published an excerpt from the book this week.A former Biden official brushed off her criticism and told Axios that she was not an impressive vice president."Vice President Harris was simply not good at the job," the official, speaking anonymously, said. "She had basically zero substantive role in any of the administration's key work streams, and instead would just dive bomb in for stilted photo ops that exposed how out of depth she was."The official insisted that Biden is "not the reason she struggled in office or tanked her 2019 [presidential] campaign.""Or lost the 2024 campaign, for that matter," the official said. "The independent variable there is the vice president, not Biden or his aides."In the excerpt, Harris recounts her perception of some of the thought process among Biden's team and his allies ahead of the 2024 election, and accuses some of undermining her while she was vice president."'It's Joe and Jill's decision.' We all said that, like a mantra, as if we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace, or was it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness," Harris wrote.In another section, Harris writes that the stakes for the election were "simply too high" to let "an individual's ego, an individual's ambition" determine who should run against then-former President Donald Trump in 2024.She did accept some responsibility, noting that she should have "perhaps" voiced her concerns then, but didn't want to look like she was making a grab for power."I was in the worst position to make the case that he should drop out," she wrote.A former Biden aide told Axios Harris's mea culpa wasn't exactly inspiring."I'm not sure the very robust defense of not having the courage to speak up in the moment about Biden running is quite as persuasive as she thinks it is. If this is her attempt at political absolution: Lots of luck in your senior year," the aide said.Harris also accused Biden's camp of trying to undermine and minimize her while she served as vice president."Their thinking was zero-sum: If she's shining, he's dimmed. None of them grasped that if I did well, he did well," Harris wrote. "His team didn't get it."She further accused them of being silently accepting of negative news stories about her."When the stories [about Harris] were unfair or inaccurate, the president's inner circle seemed fine with it. Indeed, it seemed as if they decided I should be knocked down a little bit more," she said.Despite some of the aides' comments, Harris had some sympathetic voices in the former Biden camp.Ron Klain, Biden's former chief of staff, said he thought that Harris "did a good job" in her role as vice president and said he felt "badly that she found the experience negative."Another former aide told Axios that "we all know that Biden folks treated her and her team like s*.""We never thought she would actually say anything," they aide said. "The staffers across a range of ages and positions that I'm talking to are proud of her."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 09/13/25 9:11:50 AM #141:	Tossing her boss under the bus because she didntt do her job and stand up to aides. If she couldnt find the courage to voice her opinion to Democrats how is she supposed to do that to Republicans? --- Moustache twirling villain https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:986397312] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Tossing her boss under the bus because she didntt do her job and stand up to aides.If she couldnt find the courage to voice her opinion to Democrats how is she supposed to do that to Republicans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
02fran 09/17/25 4:44:19 AM #142:	Ah so this is the topic that got slayer. <cite>02fran posted [p:986440432] in Kamala Har... [t:81038990]...</cite> <quote>Ah so this is the topic that got slayer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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