Current Events > Leading Genocide scholars say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

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CobraGT
09/01/25 5:38:40 PM
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Everyone knows the Gazans live in Gaza.
Everyone knows the war is being fought to make them leave.

Everyday more people realize this is what genocide is and we can stop enabling this genocide. It is really hard for America to admit it because our history as a nation is steeped in genocide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9H4M6eQqc#bottom-sheet

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Trumble
09/01/25 5:41:38 PM
#53:


CobraGT posted...
Everyone knows the Gazans live in Gaza.
Everyone knows the war is being fought to make them leave.

Everyday more people realize this is what genocide is and we can stop enabling this genocide. It is really hard for America to admit it because our history as a nation is steeped in genocide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9H4M6eQqc#bottom-sheet
America has a history of committing genocide. It also has a history of stopping genocides, too. Its not obliged to go the wrong way here.

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CobraGT
09/01/25 7:07:31 PM
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Trumble posted...
It also has a history of stopping genocides, too. Its not obliged to go the wrong way here.


Awesome. This is news to me. Please enlighten. WW2 IMO does not count because we supplied both sides and we A-bombed Japan and steered the government of Japan.

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DoesntMatter
09/01/25 7:14:26 PM
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Slayer2111 posted...
Thats a crazy thing to say. Do you know what actual Ethnic Cleansing is? Kicking people out who are here illegally isnt ethnic cleansing. I agree, its being done in a shitty way, but its an insult to actual horrific examples of ethnic cleansing to call it that.
fuck off with this. they aren't just going after illegals. they are going after everyone who is brown. they are picking them up outside of the courthouse when they are showing up for their immigration hearings. they've kidnapped people who are here legally on student visas, and telling them their visa is cancelled and they're illegal NOW. it's fucking ethnic cleansing. it's all in Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation are white nationalists, and they want to purge everyone in the US who isn't white.

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DoesntMatter
09/01/25 7:18:23 PM
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Trumble posted...
Hamass attack that killed some portion of 1200. Dont forget that a lot of the deaths were later revealed to have been friendly fire, with strong reason to believe it was deliberate.
shit, wait what? i didn't hear about this. that's fucked. do you have an article about this?

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SSj4Wingzero
09/01/25 7:26:28 PM
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CobraGT posted...
Awesome. This is news to me. Please enlighten. WW2 IMO does not count because we supplied both sides and we A-bombed Japan and steered the government of Japan.

Dropping the atomic bomb is not genocide, and please explain how the United States "steered" the government of Japan.

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Zikten
09/01/25 8:05:41 PM
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So I saw someone in another topic post out that the American government knows its a genocide. They just can't call it one, or they then activate a law in the books that we would have to stop it.

Its an evil twisting of the law where you don't have to actually follow it as long as you never say the word. And just pretend to be stupid
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Zikten
09/01/25 8:11:43 PM
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DoesntMatter posted...
shit, wait what? i didn't hear about this. that's fucked. do you have an article about this?
I heard that Israeli helicopters during the October 7th attack, were destroying Hamas trucks that had been identified of carrying hostages. They ( IDF) killed the hostages to prevent them from being taken into Gaza. Remains of destroyed Hamas trucks were found that were quite obviously taken out by helicopter fire, and inside were a mix of dead Hamas and Israeli citizens (or other country people who visited for the concert)

The IDF has a policy where they try to kill their own side if taken hostage, instead of letting them be used. I think its called the Hanibal Directive

But its really fucked up to apply that policy to civilians
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Cheater87
09/01/25 8:52:07 PM
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Zikten posted...
I heard that Israeli helicopters during the October 7th attack, were destroying Hamas trucks that had been identified of carrying hostages. They ( IDF) killed the hostages to prevent them from being taken into Gaza. Remains of destroyed Hamas trucks were found that were quite obviously taken out by helicopter fire, and inside were a mix of dead Hamas and Israeli citizens (or other country people who visited for the concert)

The IDF has a policy where they try to kill their own side if taken hostage, instead of letting them be used. I think its called the Hanibal Directive

But its really fucked up to apply that policy to civilians

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DoesntMatter
09/01/25 9:36:01 PM
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Zikten posted...
I heard that Israeli helicopters during the October 7th attack, were destroying Hamas trucks that had been identified of carrying hostages. They ( IDF) killed the hostages to prevent them from being taken into Gaza. Remains of destroyed Hamas trucks were found that were quite obviously taken out by helicopter fire, and inside were a mix of dead Hamas and Israeli citizens (or other country people who visited for the concert)

The IDF has a policy where they try to kill their own side if taken hostage, instead of letting them be used. I think its called the Hanibal Directive

But its really fucked up to apply that policy to civilians
damn

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09/01/25 11:18:44 PM
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Zikten posted...
I heard that Israeli helicopters during the October 7th attack, were destroying Hamas trucks that had been identified of carrying hostages. They ( IDF) killed the hostages to prevent them from being taken into Gaza. Remains of destroyed Hamas trucks were found that were quite obviously taken out by helicopter fire, and inside were a mix of dead Hamas and Israeli citizens (or other country people who visited for the concert)

The IDF has a policy where they try to kill their own side if taken hostage, instead of letting them be used. I think its called the Hanibal Directive

But its really fucked up to apply that policy to civilians
They also believe that their deceased are alive until they are ceremonially buried. So, unless they are confirmed to be dead or have the bodies to do so. Israel will consider them alive for all intensive purposes. (Citation needed)

I think this was the thinking behind that derivative and it has a religious undertone. Hamas knows this and thats why its important for them to take back the hostages alive or dead with confirmation. But someone may correct me if I was wrong on this part.

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CobraGT
09/01/25 11:33:35 PM
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SSj4Wingzero posted...


Dropping the atomic bomb is not genocide

Estimates for total direct and indirect Japanese fatalities from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki vary significantly, but range from approximately 135,000 to 140,000 deaths in Hiroshima by the end of 1945 and roughly 70,000 to 80,000 deaths in Nagasaki by the end of 1945. These figures include deaths from the immediate blast, burns, radiation sickness, and injuries that led to death in the subsequent months.

Moreover Truman's correspondance and journalists' notes on his speeches that were private have become somewhat accessible.

Let me guess you are going to say the A-bomb was not genocide because the US killed so many civilians with other weapons?

and please explain how the United States "steered" the government of Japan.

  • First off Japan got rid of the emperor and US restored the emperor
  • US invaded Japan after the A-bombs and declared what was left of the government war criminals (most definitely not steering the government /s LOL /s )
  • https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/japan-occupation-during-wwii
  • SIR do you know what occupation means?

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Foppe
09/02/25 12:59:59 AM
#64:


Hexenherz posted...
They literally called Hamas' terrorist attack that killed 1200 people a genocide attempt... like we're how far into Israel's war and how many people has Israel killed?

Also they are trying to claim the characterization of their war as a genocide is unprofessional and demeaning but then they say a single terrorist attack equates to a genocide attempt... what.
Don't forget that we had Israeli politicians that claimed that Oct 7 was worse than the Holocaust.

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Slayer2111
09/02/25 12:54:27 PM
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DoesntMatter posted...
fuck off with this. they aren't just going after illegals. they are going after everyone who is brown. they are picking them up outside of the courthouse when they are showing up for their immigration hearings. they've kidnapped people who are here legally on student visas, and telling them their visa is cancelled and they're illegal NOW. it's fucking ethnic cleansing. it's all in Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation are white nationalists, and they want to purge everyone in the US who isn't white.


Dude, no matter how angry you get it, it isnt ethic cleansing. Youre just factually wrong. Also, if youre here illegally it doesnt really matter where youre being snatched up, youre inherently breaking the law. Again, I think theyre handling it like dicks in many cases and I absolutely think its insane to arrest or suspend a visa based on protesting. That being said, its still not ethnic cleansing and insanely exaggerating to theyre trying to get rid of anyone whos not white just makes you sound nuts. Thats not the situation.

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DrizztLink
09/02/25 12:58:03 PM
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It's hilarious that you keep acting like they're only going after immigrants.

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DoesntMatter
09/02/25 1:04:01 PM
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Slayer2111 posted...
insanely exaggerating to theyre trying to get rid of anyone whos not white just makes you sound nuts. Thats not the situation.
dude, it is in Project 2025. it is not exaggerating anything. it is the situation.

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09/02/25 1:08:19 PM
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Slayer2111 posted...
That being said, its still not ethnic cleansing and insanely exaggerating to theyre trying to get rid of anyone whos not white just makes you sound nuts. Thats not the situation.

You're either not paying attention or you're in a fortune position where you don't have to be aware of these things.

Much like genocide, ethnic cleansing doesn't start with mass executions.

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Trumble
09/02/25 5:06:03 PM
#69:


CobraGT posted...
Estimates for total direct and indirect Japanese fatalities from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki vary significantly, but range from approximately 135,000 to 140,000 deaths in Hiroshima by the end of 1945 and roughly 70,000 to 80,000 deaths in Nagasaki by the end of 1945. These figures include deaths from the immediate blast, burns, radiation sickness, and injuries that led to death in the subsequent months.

Moreover Truman's correspondance and journalists' notes on his speeches that were private have become somewhat accessible.

Let me guess you are going to say the A-bomb was not genocide because the US killed so many civilians with other weapons?

* First off Japan got rid of the emperor and US restored the emperor
* US invaded Japan after the A-bombs and declared what was left of the government war criminals (most definitely not steering the government /s LOL /s )
* https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/japan-occupation-during-wwii
* SIR do you know what occupation means?
The atomic bombings were war crimes. The atomic bombings were atrocities. The atomic bombings, especially Nagasaki, were unjustifiable.

However, they did not meet the bar to be considered genocide.

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SSj4Wingzero
09/02/25 5:13:58 PM
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CobraGT posted...


Estimates for total direct and indirect Japanese fatalities from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki vary significantly, but range from approximately 135,000 to 140,000 deaths in Hiroshima by the end of 1945 and roughly 70,000 to 80,000 deaths in Nagasaki by the end of 1945. These figures include deaths from the immediate blast, burns, radiation sickness, and injuries that led to death in the subsequent months.

Moreover Truman's correspondance and journalists' notes on his speeches that were private have become somewhat accessible.

Let me guess you are going to say the A-bomb was not genocide because the US killed so many civilians with other weapons?

Actions leading to civilian deaths are not genocide. Genocide *usually* involves an intent to destroy a particular national/ethnic/religious group, and the US did not drop the atomic bombs with the intent to wipe out the Japanese people. Truman's own memoirs make it abundantly clear that his goal in dropping the atomic bombs was not to kill as many Japanese people as possible. I agree that the targeting of civilians is reprehensible, but that is not the same thing as committing genocide.

CobraGT posted...
First off Japan got rid of the emperor and US restored the emperor
US invaded Japan after the A-bombs and declared what was left of the government war criminals (most definitely not steering the government /s LOL /s )
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/japan-occupation-during-wwii
SIR do you know what occupation means?

I misunderstood. Absent clearer context, it seemed as if you were blaming the US for "steering" the Japanese government before the war started. I should have asked what you meant. In a lot of Japanese nationalistic circles, they blame the US for starting World War 2 by saying that the US cut off oil and steel shipments to Japan, and thereby "steered" the Japanese government into the war. It's sad.

And no, we did not *invade* Japan after the war. It is not an invasion of a country when the country surrenders and agrees (yes, through force of arms, but agrees nonetheless) to the post-war occupation.

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CobraGT
09/03/25 1:45:33 AM
#71:


Trumble posted...
However, they did not meet MY bar to be considered genocide.

OK fixed

SSj4Wingzero posted...
And no, we did not *invade* Japan after the war. It is not an invasion of a country when the country surrenders and agrees (yes, through force of arms, but agrees nonetheless) to the post-war occupation.

Thank you for explaning it is not an invasion when we do it. Unless you have a list of invasions? ? ?

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Slayer2111
09/03/25 9:52:35 AM
#72:


DoesntMatter posted...
dude, it is in Project 2025. it is not exaggerating anything. it is the situation.


Could you show me that part? Like explicitly.

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UnfairRepresent
09/03/25 9:53:29 AM
#73:


Southernfatman posted...
Yet another groundbreaking story from the Genocide Journal: Duh.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/ae5296bc.jpg


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gikos
09/03/25 10:22:26 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fc1c787b.jpg
this is slayer in a nutshell on what is going on with ice and how they are targeting all immigrant's who aren't whites whether they are legal or illegal

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loafy013
09/03/25 11:18:24 AM
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Slayer2111 posted...
That being said, its still not ethnic cleansing and insanely exaggerating to theyre trying to get rid of anyone whos not white just makes you sound nuts. Thats not the situation.
Then why are Musk and Melania still here? They were in the country illegally so why haven't they been swept up?

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DrizztLink
09/03/25 11:55:01 AM
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CobraGT posted...
OK fixed
It doesn't meet any bar to be considered genocide.

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UnfairRepresent
09/03/25 12:40:48 PM
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gikos posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fc1c787b.jpg
this is slayer in a nutshell on what is going on with ice and how they are targeting all immigrant's who aren't whites whether they are legal or illegal
Fun fact: Ostriches don't actually bury their heads in the sand

its a myth

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