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Dungeater 08/26/25 10:35:49 PM #51: |
ViewtifulGrave posted... 18 was scared of a holding back Trunks.that just seems like the shock i described --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 08/26/25 11:40:22 PM #52: |
Goten straight up tells Trunks to hold back. If 18 was stronger she wouldnt have reacted that way. If anything she would have deflected the blast instead of dodging it. 18 didnt even beat them she got them DQd. Like it or not Trunks and Goten are strong. --- Cocky little freaks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 08/27/25 1:35:33 PM #53: |
I disagree with your interpretation. Nothing there suggests to me that they are stronger than she is --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kage_53 08/27/25 1:39:21 PM #54: |
Enclave posted... No, he wasn't strong enough to go SSJ2 yet. In BoG Vegeta became so angry at Beerus slapping Bulma that his SS2 was stronger than Goku SS3. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Arcanine2009 08/27/25 1:41:03 PM #55: |
VectorAgent posted... Counterpoint: Gohan having the limelight ruined the entire sequence, because Gohan is an irredeemably annoying pain in the ass. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evening_Dragon 08/27/25 1:42:47 PM #56: |
ViewtifulGrave posted... If 18 was stronger she wouldnt have reacted that way. Stronger dudes always react like that to unexpected strength in DB, but then they go right back to being cocky. And if she wasn't significantly stronger, she couldn't have gotten them DQ'd in the first place. --- And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life? It's Guide ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hop918 08/27/25 2:23:18 PM #57: |
TMOG posted... Also part of Super Saiyan is that you need to experience a great personal loss or crisis, on par with seeing your best friend blown up or your mentor murdered by cyborgs. Nah just need to feel a tingle. I think the running theory is the human/saiyan hybrids are stronger outright which is why Goten and Trunks were strong enough to unlock Super Saiyan early. Also Toriyama doesn't care ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 08/27/25 2:42:41 PM #58: |
DarthEnvoy posted... Their power is honestly bulls***, even at the start of the Buu Saga they make 18 sweat at the world tournament. The same 18 that can one shot start of Android arc SSJs. Goten and Trunks could unironically one shot Android arc Goku and Vegeta.TBF to 18, she was holding back, and easily took them down the moment she noticed those 2 had poor restraint. IIRC, those 2 started putting other lives in danger. Caught off guard to not expect them to be as strong as they are doesnt necessarily mean, "caught off guard and sweating to beat them." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biofighter55 08/27/25 4:11:11 PM #59: |
hop918 posted... Nah just need to feel a tingle. he went the Star Wars route S-cells are what allowed a saiyan to turn super saiyan in times of peace saiyan get more s-cells and saiyans born of super saiyans automatically get more s-cells --- This is my sig. Don't like it, then don't look at it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 08/27/25 4:45:05 PM #60: |
Dungeater posted... I disagree with your interpretation. Nothing there suggests to me that they are stronger than she isWhy do keep ignoring the fact that Trunks was holding back? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/ba8a5afc.jpg Vegeta and Gohan (even while rusty) are both far stronger than 18 and they got pressed by the boys. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5db057ca.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4fb8c48a.jpg Piccolo who is at the very least Cell Jr level basically shits himself when he senses their full power. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cc76ba05.jpg --- Cocky little freaks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nocturnal_traveler 08/27/25 4:45:49 PM #61: |
KaZooo posted... Crazy part was Cell was trying to hit Tien ShinhanThis should've been canon. If I was Cell, I would've held a grudge against Tien. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthEnvoy 08/27/25 4:56:06 PM #62: |
Frieza would lose his shit if he ever met Goten lmao. A Super Saiyan that can't fly. --- I disposed of doubt long ago. This will be a day long remembered. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hop918 08/27/25 5:02:03 PM #63: |
ViewtifulGrave posted... Vegeta and Gohan (even while rusty) are both far stronger than 18 and they got pressed by the boys. Neither Vegeta or Gohan are fighting full strength in those panels. They underestimated where the boys powers were but pressing a regular super saiyan at that point is nothing. 18 is stronger than that All those panels show, including the one with 18 is people underestimating the kids power, not them being stronger than anybody ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 08/27/25 5:22:10 PM #64: |
ViewtifulGrave posted... Why do keep ignoring the fact that Trunks was holding back?im not ignoring it, i think it doesn't matter. trunks can be both holding back and still showing surprising power to 18 people being shocked by their power doesnt mean anything --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 08/27/25 9:55:38 PM #65: |
Gohan thinks that if he doesnt start training Goten and Trunks will surpass him. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/ab756da3.jpg Gohan even starts taking Goten seriously. 18 aint pressuring Gohan like this. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/999c1ff7.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/578ddee9.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0e48c4bf.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f38a2895.jpg --- Cocky little freaks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 08/27/25 10:17:16 PM #66: |
I disagree --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hop918 08/28/25 6:09:08 AM #67: |
ViewtifulGrave posted... Gohan even starts taking Goten seriously. 18 aint pressuring Gohan like this. Gohan is not SSJ2 in those panels, so of course a kid who has been training and has Super Saiyan unlocked is going to press a Super Saiyan that hasn't trained in 7 years and isn't using his full strength. If 18 fought Gohan like that she'd press him too. Let's use a different scenario, after Frieza Shish Kebabs Krillin Gohan presses him there. He does no damage to Frieza and Frieza immediately reveals he's got more power. In your panels Gohan would be Frieza and Goten would be Gohan. Power level people are weird ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 08/28/25 12:31:10 PM #68: |
Its not about power levels. Its about what being shown and directly stated. The boys are just that strong. Theres a reason why Piccolo said that the boys were the future and not 18 when he thought Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan were dead. --- Cocky little freaks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hop918 08/28/25 12:38:50 PM #69: |
Because he's seen Saiyans get stronger under heavy stress, he's not pinning their hopes on the boys current strength. He just watched SSJ2 Vegeta die and not kill Buu. By your logic that means he thinks they're stronger than that, they're not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 08/28/25 2:28:42 PM #70: |
ViewtifulGrave posted... Its not about power levels. Its about what being shown and directly stated. The boys are just that strong. Theres a reason why Piccolo said that the boys were the future and not 18 when he thought Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan were dead....... because they are literally the child Super Saiyans of Goku and Vegeta..... Children being the future isnt a foreign concept... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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