Current Events > Racists: Wants White people to reproduce more

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Also racists: elects politicians that make life so difficult that it greatly discourages White people from reproducing more. On top of that, raises their own children to become undesirable mates.

It's almost as though they cut off their nose to spite their face!

nocturnal_traveler posted...

On top of that, raises their own children to become undesirable mates.

They don't intend to give women the choice in whether they want to be paired with their sons.

No one ever said racists were smart

Solar_Crimson posted...

They don't intend to give women the choice in whether they want to be paired with their sons.

All that will do is push the women towards more successful men, and they sure aren't teaching their sons to be successful. Then again...

Smashingpmkns posted...

No one ever said racists were smart

Its almost like theyre overstimulating the United States on purpose to make everyone uneasy

you're ignoring their end goal, a world that mirrors handmaids tale. undesirability doesn't matter when women have no rights.

Solar_Crimson posted...

They don't intend to give women the choice in whether they want to be paired with their sons.

Right it's going to be India where everyone gets an arranged marriage but only if your family is worth $10 million.

its a movement JD Vance is part of

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/11/what-is-pronatalism-right-wing-republican

The movement unites family values conservatives and tech bro rightwingers. Will this incoherent coalition hold?

In his first address to the United States after becoming vice-president, JD Vance stood on stage and proclaimed: I want more babies in the United States of America. Weeks later, Donald Trump signed an executive order pledging support for in vitro fertilization, recognizing the importance of family formation and that our nations public policy must make it easier for loving and longing mothers and fathers to have children.

In late January, aDepartment of Transportation memo directed the agency to prioritize projects that give preference to communities with marriage and birth rates higher than the national average. And last week, it was reported thatElon Musk, the unelected head of the government-demolishing department of governmental efficiency and a man who has said that the collapsing birth rate is the biggest danger civilization faces by far, hadbecome a father of 14.

Republicans have long heralded the importance of family values. But in these developments, many see mountingsigns of a controversial ideology at work: pronatalism.

Americas premier pronatalists on having tons of kids to save the world: There are going to be countries of old people starving to death

Pronatalism is so contentious that people often struggle to agree on a definition. Pronatalism could be defined as the belief that having children is good. It could also be defined as the belief that having children is important to the greater good and that people should have babies on behalf of the state, because declining birth rates are a threat to its future. Perhaps most importantly, pronatalism could be defined as the belief that government policy should incentivize people to give birth.
While people on the left might agree with some pronatalist priorities, pronatalism in the US istodayascendant on the right. It has become a key ideological plank in the bridge between tech bro rightwingers like Musk and more traditional, religious conservatives, like the speaker of the House, Mike Johnson who once said in a House hearing that abortions were harming the economy by eliminating would-be workers.
But there are plenty of widening cracks in that bridge and, by extension, Trumps incoherent coalition.

Restructuring society
While the Collinses are avatars for the emerging pronatalist tech right, Lyman Stone is one of the highest-profile pronatalists from a more traditionally conservative background.
Pronatalism has to be disciplined by a commitment to human liberty and human flourishing and this is coming out of work on reproductive justice, basically. People have a right to have the families they want to have, and for some people, that means no family, said Stone, a demographer who in 2024 established the Pronatalism Initiative at the right-leaning Institute for Family Studies. The focus of pronatalism, in my view, generally is not and certainly should not be on family gigantism, and instead should be on helping young people overcome the barriers and obstacles to romantic and family success in their life.

In practice, Stone said, pronatalists should help people get married earlier in life so that they can start having children younger. That could mean, he said, everything from improving mental health services to creating better childcare programs. Stones frequent collaborator, Brad Wilcox a University of Virginia sociology professor and author of the book Get Married: Why Americans Should Defy the Elites, Forge Strong Families and Save Civilization pointed to several policies that he thinks would help strengthen family formation, such as expanding the child tax credit and converting federal land into affordable housing.
Pronatalism is not just a fiscal program. Its a program of restructuring society in a way that treats family goals as worthy, worth supporting and socially important, Stone said.

Asked if he supports abortion rights, Stone clarified: No, I would draw the line at destruction of human life.
Many of these policy proposals could comfortably fit into a left-leaning political platform in fact, they may be more at home on such a platform than within todays Republican party. Although Vance said on the campaign trail that he would like to expand the child tax credit, a move that could cost trillions of dollars in federal spending, Republicans have instead committed to slashing the government budget by at least $1.5tn.
Instead, elected Republicans have tended to invoke pronatalist rhetoric in support of their top culture-war causes.

They have repeatedly condemned gender-affirming healthcare for allegedly sterilizing people; in 2022, as Idaho weighed whether to ban kids from accessing the care, one Republican state legislator said: We are not talking about the life of the child, but we are talking about the potential to give life to another generation. When a Republican lawmaker from Michigan introduced a resolution to condemn same-sex marriage, he told reporters: This is a biological necessity to preserve and grow our human race. And last year, in a lawsuit to cut access to a common abortion pill, the Republican attorneys general of Idaho, Kansas and Missouri argued that access to the pill had lowered birth rates for teen mothers, leading to a falling state populations, diminishment of political representation and loss of federal funds.

In practice, pronatalism especially when paired with anti-abortion policy often overlooks the disproportionate effect that having more babies has on women, according to Elizabeth Gregory, director of womens gender and sexuality studies at the University of Houston. Childbearing can reshape a womans entire future.

This idea that the child is the only person in the dyad loses a real understanding of how embedded and dependent children are on their mothers, Gregory said. Fertility affects many, many parts of culture and talking about it cant be reduced to just a few soundbites.

Well yeah they don't want white liberals to reproduce more

Smashingpmkns posted...

No one ever said racists were smart

Racism is inherently the opposite of intelligent

also keep in mind that one of the biggest dropoffs historically in birth rates has actually been teen birth rates, which coincidentally...

https://ballsandstrikes.org/law-politics/mifepristone-lawsuit-republican-ags-more-pregnant-teens/

republicans want to bring back.

What's also funny is how they think their desired reality wont end in violence, ironically caused by them once they find out only the rich will reap the benefits.

There are less the favorable means of reversing it. But all of them to my knowledge are pretty much the opposite of progressiveness.

Reduce daycare costs and a lot more people would have children. But thats probably socialism in their minds

Prismsblade posted...

There are less the favorable means of reversing it. But all of them to my knowledge are pretty much the opposite of progressiveness.

progressiveness is only really a thing in an ideal government that isn't running itself off the rails. you cant really build towards a brighter future when you've got the gestapo kicking down doors and people losing basic rights.

ThunderTrain posted...

Reduce daycare costs and a lot more people would have children. But thats probably socialism in their minds

why would your trad wife need daycare services?

monkmith posted...

progressiveness is only really a thing in an ideal government that isn't running itself off the rails. you cant really build towards a brighter future when you've got the gestapo kicking down doors and people losing basic rights.

Realistic thing that can't be said.

why would your trad wife need daycare services?

It won't be for the trad wife, but for the widowed father whose wife dies from a preventable illness.

*Reproduces with an ethnic person*

Them: No not like that!

nocturnal_traveler posted...

censored

when i say shit like this here i get modded, maybe delete that?

nocturnal_traveler posted...

It won't be for the trad wife, but for the widowed father whose wife dies from a preventable illness.

father gets issued another couple trad wives. either that or the children are just abandoned to starve, because keep in mind conservatives dont care about children beyond when their leaders want to fuck them, then they just clap.

monkmith posted...

when i say shit like this here i get modded, maybe delete that?

Good point. Changing!

father gets issued another couple trad wives. either that or the children are just abandoned to starve, because keep in mind conservatives dont care about children beyond when their leaders want to fuck them, then they just clap.

Two trad wives coming right up! Wait. You're not rich? Well sucks to be you.

monkmith posted...

you're ignoring their end goal, a world that mirrors handmaids tale. undesirability doesn't matter when women have no rights.

They will never reach their end goal though. Try as they might, they'll never get there.

MAGAs I know are reproducing more than liberals. Many liberals fear the world they will bring their kids into. MAGA thinks everything is great.

Squall28 posted...

MAGAs I know are reproducing more than liberals. Many liberals fear the world they will bring their kids into. MAGA thinks everything is great.

Problem with that, other than Idiocracy becoming a reality, is that children of MAGA don't share the same work ethic as their parents. America will become the messy dystopia shown in Idiocracy.

Takuya_Lee posted...

They will never reach their end goal though. Try as they might, they'll never get there.

You are more optimistic than I am, considering how weak resistance has been so far.

suchiuomizu posted...

You are more optimistic than I am, considering how weak resistance has been so far.

That's only because they haven't awakened the violent beast known as the angry American. Right now they're all pacified with Internet and daily comforts. To attempt Handmaids Tale reality, those comforts would have to be taken away.

Takuya_Lee posted...

They will never reach their end goal though. Try as they might, they'll never get there.

Why not?

bloodyarts posted...

Why not?

Because the older generation is too dumb, and the younger generation is too lazy.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Because the older generation is too dumb, and the younger generation is too lazy.

well the dumb control the government, and the lazy either voted them in or didn't vote at all.

monkmith posted...

well the dumb control the government, and the lazy either voted them in or didn't vote at all.

Yeah. Dumb and lazy can't properly function for long. We're just waiting for that house of cards to come tumbling down.

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nocturnal_traveler posted...

Yeah. Dumb and lazy can't properly function for long. We're just waiting for that house of cards to come tumbling down.

i'm pretty sure that argument was made when bush was in office and ran us into two wars and a recession. and again when trump won in 2016. and again when trump won in 2024. its almost like dumb people keep producing more dumb people and lazy people keep refusing to vote sensibly.

monkmith posted...

i'm pretty sure that argument was made when bush was in office and ran us into two wars and a recession. and again when trump won in 2016. and again when trump won in 2024. its almost like dumb people keep producing more dumb people and lazy people keep refusing to vote sensibly.

The only thing that saved us from those times were smart people coming in long enough to save us (Obama, then Biden). Sadly, because people are dumb and lazy, the cycle will keep repeating.

You ever notice how these people care more about who white women are dating than they do about who white men are dating?

Like they would more than likely NOT give a shit if a dude married a Korean woman or a Portuguese woman but GOD FORBID a white woman marries anyone that isn't a white guy.

wanderingshade posted...

You ever notice how these people care more about who white women are dating than they do about who white men are dating?

Like they would more than likely NOT give a shit if a dude married a Korean woman or a Portuguese woman but GOD FORBID a white woman marries anyone that isn't a white guy.

dated a black girl in college, we both got yelled at by white and black people for it. honestly a lot of old people just believe in keeping the races "pure".

I see the racist people go "deport 30 million people! That'll solve all the problems!" as if we haven't been deporting record numbers of people for a decade while everything goes to shit under republican and republican-lite policy

You want to fix the birthrate? Pay people and fix the housing market. That's it. That's the whole solution. Take the appeal out of DINK lifestyle in that you don't *have* to do that to have a home/actual life. Give people time and spaces to socialize and they'll figure the rest out themselves.

However that makes the profits go down. Can't have that in the world of "this growth is infinite forever c'mon bro just one more rate cut c'mon one more money infusion we'll go exponential this time for sure"

Voidgolem posted...

You want to fix the birthrate? Pay people and fix the housing market. That's it. That's the whole solution. Take the appeal out of DINK lifestyle in that you don't *have* to do that to have a home/actual life. Give people time and spaces to socialize and they'll figure the rest out themselves.

And you know, maybe doing something about climate change? If I had any interest in having a child at this point, concern about the world they would live in would put a dent in it.

suchiuomizu posted...

And you know, maybe doing something about climate change? If I had any interest in having a child at this point, concern about the world they would live in would put a dent in it.

unless you want to try one of those scam climate change reversing technologies there's nothing doing about it now. its like a roller coaster baby, we hit that peak and now gravity is going to drag us all downhill from here.