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Mad-Dogg posted...

Reddit + final fantasy fans

Reddit + Redditors

Anyway to answer the question posed -

I think a lot of people have never been good at anything at all in life, so when they managed to be good at this one thing they might be inclined to gatekeep it. To them its not just enjoying a videogame, its validation that they're worth something.

Reddit is really good at amplifying these voices through its very structure.

I've only played Elden Ring so my experiences are limited. I do find it funny that since I'm not so good at it and I use spirit ashes and some of the top tier weapons depending on play styles and need, there are people who supposedly look down on me if not worse.

I feel like this meme image. Me on the right. Just imagine spirit ashes, Blasphemous Blade, and other things are above it. I'm too lazy to photoshop them in.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/16749e90.png

Dungeater posted...

this is well put. i dont know that it would completely eliminate discussion, but a lot of Lies of P discussion did turn into this once they added the difficulty options

oh god ppl got TURBO buttmad at the added difficulty options for lies of P to the point of canceling their pre-order and leaving a negative review.. despite them leaving the game's original difficulty alone...

souls game gatekeepers are 1 of the worst facets of gaming and u can't convince me otherwise

Dungeater posted...

they added easy mode to elden ring and it was their most wildly successful game by an enormous amount

I would consider reducing "add an easy mode" to "has strong weapons" when it is clear that that's absolutely not what anyone is talking about to be very toxic.

havean776 posted...

And that's a good thing because you are interacting with the community. This breeds discussion and makes the game community come together, talking strats, talking about what part they found bullshit, etc.

Someone found a boss weakness or cheese stratergy, posted it online others used it and shared how they beat him.

It's the diffrence between.
"I can't beat boss #3! He attacks too fast and I don't do enougth damage."
"Try fire he's weak to it."
"Nah just use bleed he has a small health pool."
"I found a 100% pysical shield works well because all his attacks are physical."
"Dude you can break his ai by standing here!"

Vs a game that tries to ehm "fix" the diffculty.

"I couldn't beat boss #3, so I turned the diffculty down and beat him.... Any one want to talk about the game... Hello?"

A game having an easy mode doesn't necessarily remove the need for discussion. It just changes the focus of the discussion. People can still discuss the story, build ideas, hidden areas on the map, etc.

I think the pro-invader players are the most insufferable part of the community. Perpetual victims who think everybody else is the problem.

But my personal favorite is how protective they are on their reddit community. Complain about brigading and not wanting anti-invasion people there, when their whole schtick is forcefully inserting themselves where they aren't wanted.

Idk why people want so much validation for playing a game a certain way. Play how you want, why does it matter getting affirmation from people online?

"The game doesn't need an easy mode! All the tools you need are already in the game! Also, don't use any of those tools to make the game easier!"

<_<

Divinehero posted...

oh god ppl got TURBO buttmad at the added difficulty options for lies of P to the point of canceling their pre-order and leaving a negative review.. despite them leaving the game's original difficulty alone...

souls game gatekeepers are 1 of the worst facets of gaming and u can't convince me otherwise

i do think adding the modes broke Legendary Stalker mode for the DLC, but that could just be correlation

Southernfatman posted...

I've only played Elden Ring so my experiences are limited. I do find it funny that since I'm not so good at it and I use spirit ashes and some of the top tier weapons depending on play styles and need, there are people who supposedly look down on me if not worse.

I feel like this meme image. Me on the right. Just imagine spirit ashes, Blasphemous Blade, and other things are above it. I'm too lazy to photoshop them in.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/16749e90.png

lmao yeah. i love that image, its exactly right

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what does this mean?

Kim_Seong-a posted...

"The game doesn't need an easy mode! All the tools you need are already in the game! Also, don't use any of those tools to make the game easier!"

<_<

i dont have any reason to believe those are the same people tbh

Ive never quite understood the attitude to be honest. Souls is tricky but its bosses are pretty far from the most difficult bosses Ive faced in gaming.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

"The game doesn't need an easy mode! All the tools you need are already in the game! Also, don't use any of those tools to make the game easier!"

<_<

all the goddamn time

Xerun posted...

Ive never quite understood the attitude to be honest. Souls is tricky but its bosses are pretty far from the most difficult bosses Ive faced in gaming.

this too. of all the things to hinge some ego on it. i'll never understand

idk man sitting back and spamming that big laser has always been really lame. i didn't even find that spell on my int playthrough, i ended up using the clayman harpoon

viewmaster_pi posted...

idk man sitting back and spamming that big laser has always been really lame. i didn't even find that spell on my int playthrough, i ended up using the clayman harpoon

you know that meme where spongebob and patrick are on a baby ride that goes over a speedbump and they're tense/scared as hell? it's just that. just because its boring or lame to us doesnt mean its that for others. for some people it's exhilarating and intense as hell

Xerun posted...

Ive never quite understood the attitude to be honest. Souls is tricky but its bosses are pretty far from the most difficult bosses Ive faced in gaming.

Some of the data fights in KH2 are harder than anything in the Souls series imo

Are Souls games are the only genre of thing in the entire world where people argue for it to change something fundamental about it to attract people who aren't really all that interested in it?

You don't see people asking people to tone down the horror of something because they want to enjoy the Conjuring franchise but I just can't get into those movies because they're too spooky

This again?

what again

BlueBoy675 posted...

Some of the data fights in KH2 are harder than anything in the Souls series imo

was thinking about Lingering Will when I wrote it haha

Also, relevant-

https://youtu.be/cVKdPFLltyI?si=GCWuBou8xMMQPrOa

Maybe not 100% on topic but a related story that happened to me recently.

I'd never played a Souls game because I don't enjoy difficulty for the sake of it and, to be honest, the community put me off. I recently decided to give Elden Ring a try because it was cheap on sale and I'd beaten (and loved) Armored Core 6 earlier this year so how hard could Souls games really be?

A friend of mine who considers himself a hardcore gamer had started Elden Ring a couple years ago but never finished it (I don't think he even got very far). When I told him I'd started it, he immediately tried to tell me what the "OP build" is and how to play, reinstalled and started a new game himself, said it wouldn't count as beating the game anyway because I was playing on PC and would definitely be cheating, and then when I finished the game before him he uninstalled it and said it was boring and not worth playing.

I dunno, if a friend of mine started playing a game/series that I was a big fan of I feel like I'd be trying to positively engage with them rather than gatekeeping. By the end of my playthrough I was skipping a lot of the optional bosses/areas because I just wanted to finish it and wasn't enjoying the game enough to drag the experience out any longer, and I think a big part of that was it being spoiled by my "Souls fan" friend. I doubt I'll play any other Souls games in future

SAlYAN posted...

If accessing your "easy mode" requires going online, researching specific builds, bum-rushing areas out-of-sequence to get certain items, fighting midgame bosses to get the equipment behind them, looking up further out-of-sequence routes to inorganically rush upgrade materials, grind for hours to get the stats to actually equip all this shiny new stuff, etc... can it even be called an "easy mode" at that point?

This was something else that came up in my experience. Before I started, as a completely new Souls player, I ran a few Google searches along the lines of "Elden Ring beginner tips". I was hoping for general advice like "concentrate on levelling up vitality and one attack stat, this weapon is a good starting choice" (which I did see some of). What I ended up seeing more of was "run straight across the map from the beginning, hit this illusory wall, talk to the person there, go back to this area near the start, talk to this person, and then you'll unlock a shop that sells the best early game weapon" (paraphrasing, not a specific exact quote). Such a bizarre way to introduce a new player to your game: "skip all this discovery".

SwayM posted...

Are Souls games are the only genre of thing in the entire world where people argue for it to change something fundamental about it to attract people who aren't really all that interested in it?

You don't see people asking people to tone down the horror of something because they want to enjoy the Conjuring franchise but I just can't get into those movies because they're too spooky

Probably because there no fundamental law of physics that injects the Conjuring into every discussion about everything.

"How can you make a top X bosses list without Ornstein and Smaug?"
"Why doesn't this game glue the camera to your back like in real video games?"
"How come the shield doesn't work exactly like in Dark Souls?"
"Ha, this movie is like that one random bullshit area in Dark Souls 8, lol, you know which one I'm talking about, RIGHT?"

"Well, I might give it a try if it were more accessible..."

"Holy shit, not everything is supposed to be for everyone!"

Weird nerds having pissing contests is always bizarre but not unexpected

bump

The Souls community is pretty much the most toxic community. Yes I get that it's a minority who are toxic but that minority are EXTREMELY toxic and obnoxious.

They will never add a true difficulty slider

summons have always been the easy mode

Enclave posted...

The Souls community is pretty much the most toxic community. Yes I get that it's a minority who are toxic but that minority are EXTREMELY toxic and obnoxious.

prior to elden ring i dont think id be able to disagree. nowadays i think hate groups are worse than annoying fan groups. like dedicated nintendo haters or naughty dog haters

Garlands_Soul posted...

Weird nerds having pissing contests is always bizarre but not unexpected

somebody tried to dox me because i said "why do nerds fetishize difficulty"

lmao

we need more people to embody the solaire/miyazaki spirit

I'll never understand people who gatekeep.

How does it tangibly affect you if someone else plays on easy mode, uses a spirit ash, summons, or whatnot? Have you considered that they aren't playing the game for the difficulty but rather something else?

Shamino posted...

I'll never understand people who gatekeep.

How does it tangibly affect you if someone else plays on easy mode, uses a spirit ash, summons, or whatnot? Have you considered that they aren't playing the game for the difficulty but rather something else?

I've noticed a lot of these types feel special for doing something that is seen as difficult and when someone takes away that difficulty it takes away their specialness. This makes them mad.

At the end of the say it's kind of childish

hop918 posted...

I've noticed a lot of these types feel special for doing something that is seen as difficult and when someone takes away that difficulty it takes away their specialness. This makes them mad.

At the end of the say it's kind of childish

It feels like some of these people tie their sense of self worth to video games and that's just a terrible thing to do.

it almost seems like it's not even up to them? or like, maybe it's culty or something idk

it's weird and it alienates new fans and it bothers me

I understand not wanting things to change because you just like how things have always been. gatekeeping, I think, is a sort of extremist version of that. if you're a huge fan of something and you like how it is now, you tend to be protective of it. I get that. but it's not your game and the devs are going to change it if they really feel that they need to.

Me realizing how stupid this discourse was because one of my friends who is *worse at games than me* tried to give me shit for using the Jellyfish Summon in ER XD

I play mage AND use summons in Elden Ring. Hope the elitists don't have an aneurism or whatever.

Aysander posted...

Me realizing how stupid this discourse was because one of my friends who is *worse at games than me* tried to give me shit for using the Jellyfish Summon in ER XD

Not the jellyfish!

Did you truly beat margit if you summoned the jellyfish?!

my jellyfish summon dies 90% of the time before it can be useful... or at least proc it's poison

Vokrent posted...

my jellyfish summon dies 90% of the time before it can be useful... or at least proc it's poison

It's a good distraction.

havean776 posted...

It's a good distraction.

true, i do get some decent charged r2s usually.

but it doesn't distract for long. i guess i need to upgrade it some so it can survive longer

Because of this topic I went to search up my old vs malenia video. Beat her on my 2nd or 3rd attempt because rivers of blood and best buddy mimic tear bleed procs goes brrr.

https://youtu.be/55QqIshizfQ?t=438

Its not my fault bleed ended up so good this time around, lol.

Bigpapaplut posted...

I play mage AND use summons in Elden Ring. Hope the elitists don't have an aneurism or whatever.

Mage only really goes so far. I did a pure caster until about the time I went down to the underground city, then I transitioned to a Int / Dex Spellblade build with the Moonveil Katana, and I was using the katana most of the time thereafter. By the end of the game, I was hurting and considering a respec to a Bleed build with Rivers of Blood and so on, but I stuck it out.

I'm at Fume Knight in DS2, for the second time.

How? You ask.

No idea, although I think me not checking a room behind him caused him to respawn after I finally f#%^ing killed him. Which is a problem, because in 10 hours of trying to beat him I've only beaten him once. At this point, I'll use any summons or help I can get. I suspect my big bonk build hinders me (along with my not great reflexes)

Did I mention I'm level 157? Yeah...Help! I need somebody!

I guess my playstyle leads me to hate any and all gatekeeping in the souls series. By hook or by crook do whatever you need to to kill the boss and move on with life.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

Probably because there no fundamental law of physics that injects the Conjuring into every discussion about everything.

"How can you make a top X bosses list without Ornstein and Smaug?"
"Why doesn't this game glue the camera to your back like in real video games?"
"How come the shield doesn't work exactly like in Dark Souls?"
"Ha, this movie is like that one random bullshit area in Dark Souls 8, lol, you know which one I'm talking about, RIGHT?"

"Well, I might give it a try if it were more accessible..."

"Holy shit, not everything is supposed to be for everyone!"

This doesn't make any sense and it sounds like you're just mad these games have fans.