Current Events > kirby and the forgotten land is the best kirby game

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and I hope we get a sequel or more kirby games in that vein. 100%d it and had a blast. Love it.

Its getting a big update next month for Switch 2. Looking forward to it, because I had a lot of fun with it.

Not just an update, an entire DLC/expansion pass with presumably new story.

Kirby killed itself for me by making Super Star too good. Everything else felt like a gimmick or rehash.

and I hope we get a sequel or more kirby games in that vein.

This. It's the reason I got a Switch 2 (along with the Gamecube stuff)

Its the Great Cave Offensive though

Kirby's Return to Dream Land on Wii is my favorite Kirby game (Switch remake was great, but I wasn't a fan of some of its changes),

Like what?

• Character outlines (they made them too "unattached" from the visuals, in my opinion, and not all that pleasing to look at)
• Extra Mode made harder without retaining the rhythm and balance of the Wii version's Extra Mode
• 200% completion music now requiring you to fully complete Merry Magoland mode instead of just solely focusing on 100%ing the Main Game
• Scope Shot mini game replaced with Booming Blasters (which I liked "better", but I want Scope Shot in the same basket too)

* Character outlines (they made them too "unattached" from the visuals, in my opinion, and not all that pleasing to look at)
* Extra Mode made harder without retaining the rhythm and balance of the Wii version's Extra Mode
* 200% completion music now requiring you to fully complete Merry Magoland mode instead of just solely focusing on 100%ing the Main Game
* Scope Shot mini game replaced with Booming Blasters (which I liked "better", but I want Scope Shot in the same basket too)

I still need to play it... Do we know if the Switch 2 version is an a paid upgrade or a new version entirely? Because it might be worth it to get it with the Vouchers (while it's still around) and pay for the upgrade if so...

If you have NSO, you get it for free

Really? I haven't seen that yet... I thought it'd just be the Zelda games with the free NSO upgrades...If thats so I'm definitely grabbing Kirby with the vouchers...

* Character outlines (they made them too "unattached" from the visuals, in my opinion, and not all that pleasing to look at)
* Extra Mode made harder without retaining the rhythm and balance of the Wii version's Extra Mode
* 200% completion music now requiring you to fully complete Merry Magoland mode instead of just solely focusing on 100%ing the Main Game
* Scope Shot mini game replaced with Booming Blasters (which I liked "better", but I want Scope Shot in the same basket too)

So if I were to play it, should I try to fish out my wii to play or rebuy it on switch?

Kirby's Return to Dream Land on Wii is my favorite Kirby game (Switch remake was great, but I wasn't a fan of some of its changes)

I think the characters outlines completely minor

extra mode is more balanced because they actually change up some of the level designs and enemy placements as well as making food scarcer rather than just enlarge enemies and cut your health (although yes, this does make the mode harder).

The main mode and extra mode have their own seperate 100%s. Getting 100% for the entire save file requires the 100 main missions for Magoland which makes sense to incentivize it and they're actually quite and a good challenge. The 20 extra bonus missions isn't required for 100% and it unlocks one jingle but it's a neat reward to reward those who go out of their way to do the extra bonuses.

So if I were to play it, should I try to fish out my wii to play or rebuy it on switch?

True Arena is really difficult, as it adds the new bosses from the new mode. They are really powerful. It might be the hardest True Arena in the series

I'm playing the remake right now and never played the original. Curious what changes you didnt like? I didn't realize they changed that much.

• Character outlines (they made them too "unattached" from the visuals, in my opinion, and not all that pleasing to look at)
• Extra Mode made harder without retaining the rhythm and balance of the Wii version's Extra Mode
• 200% completion music now requiring you to fully complete Merry Magoland mode instead of just solely focusing on 100%ing the Main Game
• Scope Shot mini game replaced with Booming Blasters (which I liked "better", but I want Scope Shot in the same basket too)
• The True Arena is made more tedious due to a few bosses having to be faced twice to complete it, in my opinion (maybe shift those "rematch" bosses to the Magolor Epilogue mode instead...?)

I have never played a Kirby game in my life. Would this be a good starter?

I'm playing the remake right now and never played the original. Curious what changes you didnt like? I didn't realize they changed that much.

Alot of the music also didn't hit in a way that the older Kirby games did. I mean, KDL, KDL2, KDL3, Super Star, K64, and hell, Kirby's Block Ball and Pinball all came in hot with so many banger hits. But RtDL? I can think of, maybe, one song, and it's a remix of an older song.

I found the original game to be exceedingly easy and simple even for a Kirby game. Pretty much every boss can be safely avoided in the corners.

And there just was simply less content in RTDLWii than the games that came after it.

That's how I felt with Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, to be honest. By the time I learned that I can get the Bomb + Cutter Power Combo in the very first stage (on Pop Star), I felt like I've pretty much within reach of the end credits since just about any enemy and boss went down like it was nothing, not helped either by the fact that some minibosses even have "safe spots" for you to stand in while you blindly unleash your Copy Abilities.

Even the first Kirby's Dream Land kept me on my toes with its bosses.

I could agree with this, but I didn't think the later games' contents were "perfect" either (despite 100%ing them myself).

Kirby: Triple Deluxe's Kirby Fighters was good fun, but it has since been "surpassed" by its standalone eShop games Kirby Fighters Deluxe and (especially) Kirby Fighters 2. And Dedede's Drum Dash was something I wasn't a fan of, especially since I'm not much of a "rhythm" player myself.

Kirby: Planet Robobot's subgames didn't impress me much either; Team Kirby Clash was only fun for a few battles while Kirby 3D Rumble was only "great" until its much superior Kirby's Blowout Blast eShop game released. I also wasn't a fan of how "watered-down" the The Arena modes were, mainly due to fixed boss orders and its meager healing opportunities between matches.

Kirby Star Allies only had the Guest Star ???? Star Allies Go! as its appeal in its content for me. The Ultimate Choice was a neat twist to the The Arena mode (and brought back the traditional rest areas), but it was still no traditional The Arena mode(s). Its subgames weren't much to look at either.

Kirby and the Forgotten Land only had the Coliseum for me when it came to content while the rest of the content left a lot to be said; this game might even be my least favorite modern mainline game in the side content department.

I think the fact that they could get outright standalone games while the Ninja Star and Scope Shot minigames were much more simple speaks to how more substantial the future game subgames were (besides Star Allies).

Also I was referring to the main game contents too. Original RTDL's extra mode was just a straight rehash of the main game with 0 bonus content and the true arena only has a single new Galacta Knight while Magolor Soul stayed the same but weaker (true arena has less health). Compared to later games where the extra modes have slightly changed level design and extra unique bosses in both the extra modes and the True Arena.
While typing this I forgot that RTDL actually did have HR-D3 but that's very minor compared to the bonus bosses from the later games.

I notice you didn't mention Star Allie's Heroes from Another Dimension which is substantially better than Guest Star Go. Did you play the updated version? The base game for Star Allies was very middling but all the updates drastically improves it.

Forgo Dreams is FL's extra content and like HfAD is the best kind of postgame content. It probably does have the worst minigames though.

RtDL DX substantially improves upon the original with the new Epilogue and the bosses added to the True Arena as well as Merry Magoland having a lot more minigames as well

Yeah, Ninja Dojo and Scope Shot were definitely "simple", but I still had some bit of fun with them regardless and even then, I do feel that their overall simplicity also held a more satisfying "pick up and play" sort of deal for me compared to most other subgames in the modern games.

To be fair, that's how Kirby's Dream Land's and Kirby's Adventure's Extra Modes worked too, and even after having played the later games I still preferred Kirby's Return to Dream Land Wii's Extra Mode for giving me more challenge while maintaining its intended rhythm and balance, in my opinion. I would've liked for there to be a few more exclusive bosses like HR-D3 in the mode, but I'm content enough with what's there.

Yeah, I 100%ed Heroes in Another Dimension and I kind of felt "whatever" about it, and the only reason I played through it was just to unlock The Three Mage Sisters. Outside of that, I didn't touch the mode again since and even its (needed) higher difficulty level wasn't enough to make me look back upon it fondly.

I felt that Isolated Isles: Forgo Dreams could've been better, to be honest. Outside of its Phantom bosses, the whole thing felt like a hastily-copypasted main game with little-to-no noticeable intriguing changes, not helped either by the fact that there aren't any objectives within levels. The levels could've at least been "mirrored" to help make it stand out a little more.

Either way, the upcoming Star-Crossed World is something I truly wanted out of Kirby and the Forgotten Land in regards to its "Extra Mode"...

See, I would've liked for the Magolor Epilogue bosses to be shifted into their own The Arena "stage" in said mode since I wasn't a fan of having to face off a few bosses twice in The True Arena mode, plus it would've helped given Magolor Epilogue a bit more content since you can't play as Magolor outside of that mode.

That's understandable. I don't really think pick up and play works that well for single player though (hence why Star Allies subgames weren't too great either). And for multiplayer, the Switch remake massively improves on that front by adding so many minigames so that one can pick and play multiple different games or go through a Mario Party-esque minigame tourney.

I see, that's Interesting. The higher difficulty as well as the incentive to explore for the collectibles are the main appeal for these modes. Perhaps you like more linear or straightforward explorations? There's definitely charm to that but I think the main game usually has enough of that and I like the extra modes being more challenging with more hidden things to collect.

Thanks for the heads up, I got to re-try kirby return to dreamland because of the demo! I will say that if I was gonna get it I'd go with switch version because I think I prefer just a regular controller rather than the wii controls (also the fact that I don't have a tv with avi cable ports anymore and would have to buy one of those converters)

That being said... I don't think I'm into it sorry. The game might be designed with co-op or multiple people in mind and maybe more fun that way. I think kirby forgotten land's foray into 3d is the way to go for kirby games from now on

Nah it is definitely normal in multiplayer. Star Allies is the one that has multiplayer baked into it, i dont recommend that one. It has a lot of technical and just weird issues.