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Humble_Novice posted...

I want to see the far right have a meltdown like they did when X-Men '97 became a huge hit.

Why were people mad about X-men 97?

pegusus123456 posted...

Mr. Terrific's intelligence might be his metahuman power?

Technically, doesnt he have a metahuman power to become invisible to technology?

fan357 posted...

Why were people mad about X-men 97?

The woke

How is it anymore woke than X-men has always been lol

fan357 posted...

How is it anymore woke than X-men has always been lol

There you go again being informed.

fan357 posted...

How is it anymore woke than X-men has always been lol

Congrats you put far more thought into this than the outrage mob.

The problem with grifting is that you gotta keep it going or the money dries up. These people know there's no difference between X-Men '97 and how X-Men has always been. But they gotta grift.

Doe posted...

I liked the movie but I thought it was weird that they made a big thing of Superman trying his best not to kill, and then he super duper killed Ultraman without dwelling on it at all. I guess I was supposed to see Ultraman as not like his own person, but I thought Lex's line about him being dumb was setting up Supes to convince him he didn't need to follow Lex or what have you.

Yeah that bothered me to. I was thinking the same as you that Clark would convince him not to fight.
Oh well still great film.

I was watching the Blind Wave discussion on the movie and they suggested something hilarious: Ultraman takes his mask off and it's Henry Cavill.

They start the DCU by literally throwing Man of Steel into a black hole.

I kinda wish Superman had saved the Kaiju.

pegusus123456 posted...

I was watching the Blind Wave discussion on the movie and they suggested something hilarious: Ultraman takes his mask off and it's Henry Cavill.

They start the DCU by literally throwing Man of Steel into a black hole.

That would have been so fucking funny. I know the Snyder cult would go ballistic, but it would it just make them look even more dumb because Henry Cavill would clearly be in on the joke

If they ever wanna adapt Injustice Henry could work well as IJ Superman. I mean, Snyders take on the character is so cynical hes basically halfway to being IJ Supes already. They could even have the Snyderverse JL be like the Crime Syndicate. Just say that it all went to shit in the Snyderverse

But Im also totally ok with them staying away from multiverse shit for now

It was meh. Not bad, but not the strong foot I was hoping they'd put forward for a franchise reboot.

Of my criticisms, Superman spending half the film on his back sucking wind instead of being on his feet doing Superman things is chief. He felt like the least useful character in his own movie. His cousin's dog did more heavy lifting than he did.

Another complaint I have is the handling of Superman's parents. They're supposed to be the bedrock of his moral values, but the attempt to show this fell flat in part because they had so little screentime and in part because they were introduced as what I assume was supposed to be comic relief.

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out how silly the plot was. The antagonist's master plan is to arm a country to facilitate the conquest of their neighbor. Said conquest consists of...[checks notes]...about a hundred infantry and a few armored vehicles? I'm to believe they're going to invade, let alone occupy, a foreign nation with such a flimsy force?

Related to this - and I'll preface this by admitting I'm no comic book aficionado - Lex Luthor plotting to become king of a foreign country (I know the movie states this to be a pretense) rather than running for political office in his own country struck me as a very un-Lex Luthor kind of move.

Again, the movie isn't bad. But it wasn't great, either. I wouldn't say it was any better than, say, Blue Beetle. Given that this is both the IPs most iconic figure and the franchise's reboot, it needed to be better than Blue Beetle.

I mean, its very possible were seeing just a small part of the invasion. I highly doubt the entire thing is happening on that tiny bit of land.

And what was wrong with the Kents? Theyve always been portrayed as simple, loving country folk who are wiser than they let on. I think that was shown well with Pa Kent. When he told Clark that his parents (and that includes the Kents) dont have a right to tell him what kind of man he is, and that only HE gets to choose who he wants to be before tearfully telling him how proud he is. Thats Pa Kent. Not that asshole in MoS who told Clark he should have let a bus load of kids drown just to cover his own ass

I genuinely cant believe people are complaining about Lex when Hoult arguably gave the best and most comic accurate performance in the entire film.

The only odd thing about the Kents to me is how do they have such a thick accent and then Clark sounds like not that

darkace77450 posted...

Related to this - and I'll preface this by admitting I'm no comic book aficionado - Lex Luthor plotting to become king of a foreign country (I know the movie states this to be a pretense) rather than running for political office in his own country struck me as a very un-Lex Luthor kind of move.

Like he says, he was already doing it to kill Superman. He may as well just make money off of it too.

Doe posted...

The only odd thing about the Kents to me is how do they have such a thick accent and then Clark sounds like not that

I can imagine he just trained himself out of it.

But god, I would love a Clark with a thick Kansas accent. Could even help differentiate between him and Superman.

In one of the cartoons, Lex once told The Question he was only running for president to fuck with Superman because "do you have any idea how much power I'd have to give up to be president?"

Unfortunately that didn't age so well

darkace77450 posted...

Said conquest consists of...[checks notes]..

If you checked your notes you'd see it consisted of $80 billion worth of weaponry provided by Lex Luthor.

And the other country's best weapon was a child holding up a Superman flag.

The fact the score has a track titled Secret Harem is so funny to me

BlueBoy675 posted...

The fact the score has a track titled Secret Harem is so funny to me

I haven't listened to it, I can't help but think of it going like the Secret Tunnel song.

Secret harem (Oh)
Secret harem (Oh)
Through the mountain
Secret, secret, secret, secret
Secret harem (Oh-oh)
Secret harem (Oh-oh)
Through th mountain (Woah-oh-oh)
Secret, secrt, secret, secret harem, yeah

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The movie is mediocre but I still like this theme better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4OdIOGBW2Q

Snyderverse soundtracks were fucking incredible up until Justice League. In no small part because Hans Zimmer is basically just modern John Williams.

The only thing I think this movie is missing for me is a big flying setpiece like first flight from man of steel or the plane rescue from superman returns.

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I think this might be my favorite track in the entire movie. Every time the John Williams theme kicks in it's just so good.

The Williams theme is just too iconic. Everyone knows it. Its kinda like how the Danny Elfman Batman theme still gets used for some stuff even today. Its basically part of the character at this point

BlueBoy675 posted...

The Williams theme is just too iconic. Everyone knows it. Its kinda like how the Danny Elfman Batman theme still gets used for some stuff even today. Its basically part of the character at this point

I hope we get an updated version of the Danny Elfman Batman theme for Brave and the Bold as well. If not that, then the Mask of the Phantasm theme.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If you checked your notes you'd see it consisted of $80 billion worth of weaponry provided by Lex Luthor.

They told us there was $80 billion worth of weaponry provided by Lex Luthor. They showed us something else.

Tyranthraxus posted...

And the other country's best weapon was a child holding up a Superman flag.

This doesn't do much to assuage my issues with the scene. I understand a film's budget can only cover so much, but everything about the invasion - from the writing to the execution - was weak.

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I'd be down with this too. The DCAU had a lot of really good themes they could reuse or at least use as inspiration.

Yeah, one thing I've enjoyed about the MCU is that as they introduce mutants and the X-Men, they've been using 90s animated series riff. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they do that with some of the iconic animated shows' themes.

I know its iconic and everyone agrees on the Williams theme, but in my heart this will always be Supermans main theme:

https://youtu.be/Q7DQAjR7rgY?si=_bbV3yI-nlPVL2mc

Did this movie have a moment where Clark Kent rips open his shirt revealing the Superman suit?

pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, one thing I've enjoyed about the MCU is that as they introduce mutants and the X-Men, they've been using 90s animated series riff. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they do that with some of the iconic animated shows' themes.

You know how when they did the first MCU Spider-man movie, they played an orchastrated version of the 60s Spider-man theme over the Marvel Studios logo?

They BETTER do that with the 90s X-Men theme for the first MCU X-Men movie.

SwayM posted...

I think Gunn made Age of Ultron and not Iron Man here.

imho

Anyone else?

SwayM posted...

Anyone else?

nah not at all

Somehow I missed this topic yesterday, so Im just going to copy my post from another one:

I saw it today in an empty screening.

Honestly, didnt love it overall.

Theres stuff to like about it. Lex is played really well and hes legitimately really f***ing evil. Guy Gardner is handled well, and I liked how they handled his parents message.

However, Krypto is annoying and a much larger part of the film than he should be. It felt like theres a certain assumption that the audience is already familiar with all these characters. And while thats fair for the likes of Superman, Lex and the Daily Planet people, Id say less so for some of the others. I think the most disasapointing element for me was that, in Guardians, Gunn is quite good at alternating between silly humour and more genuine, heartfelt moments. I mean, he made people cry about a violent genius CGI raccoon with the third film, which I think is a huge achievement. But here, it just doesnt work as well. Some of the jokes fall flat and the moments that are meant to carry any sort of emotional weight often dont.

Also, so many people in this topic seem to want the message to have been doctored. A sequel should never retroactively make the prior film worse, and revealing that the message isnt genuine would do that.

Doom_Art posted...

nah not at all

Nah too much going on for Supe's first film

Glob posted...

Somehow I missed this topic yesterday, so Im just going to copy my post from another one:

I saw it today in an empty screening.

Honestly, didnt love it overall.

Theres stuff to like about it. Lex is played really well and hes legitimately really f***ing evil. Guy Gardner is handled well, and I liked how they handled his parents message.

However, Krypto is annoying and a much larger part of the film than he should be. It felt like theres a certain assumption that the audience is already familiar with all these characters. And while thats fair for the likes of Superman, Lex and the Daily Planet people, Id say less so for some of the others. I think the most disasapointing element for me was that, in Guardians, Gunn is quite good at alternating between silly humour and more genuine, heartfelt moments. I mean, he made people cry about a violent genius CGI raccoon with the third film, which I think is a huge achievement. But here, it just doesnt work as well. Some of the jokes fall flat and the moments that are meant to carry any sort of emotional weight often dont.

Also, so many people in this topic seem to want the message to have been doctored. A sequel should never retroactively make the prior film worse, and revealing that the message isnt genuine would do that.

Comparing this film to Guardians 3 just because they had the same director isnt completely fair. Theyre both trying to do two very different things. People cried over Rocket because they had 10 years worth of stories to grow attached to the little guy. Youre acting like Guardians 3 was a stand alone film and not the conclusion to a trilogy and a chapter in a much larger story.

Complaining that the first film in a new universe doesnt have the same emotional weight as the finale to a decade long trilogy just doesnt seem fair to me.

BlueBoy675 posted...

Comparing this film to Guardians 3 just because they had the same director isnt completely fair. Theyre both trying to do two very different things. People cried over Rocket because they had 10 years worth of stories to grow attached to the little guy. Youre acting like Guardians 3 was a stand alone film and not the conclusion to a trilogy and a chapter in a much larger story.

Complaining that the first film in a new universe doesnt have the same emotional weight as the finale to a decade long trilogy just doesnt seem fair to me.

Youre latching onto one example but both of the previous Guardians films similarly showcased an ability to mix the silly and ridiculous with the heartfelt. Superman just didnt achieve this for me. Much of the humour fell flat and many of the moments that were meant to be more emotional didnt carry any weight for me.

Youre welcome to disagree, of course. Im just stating how I felt about the film.

Also, theres an argument to be made that Gunn had significantly less of a base to build on even by his third guardians film, than literally the most famous superhero of all time who has been in at least 8 films prior to this plus multiple TV series.

I get that they wanted to do something different from Snyderverse (dark and serious), but I think they try too hard to be funny.

If you watch Superman TAS or any of the most well known Superman comics, theyre not trying to make you laugh. Episodes of Justice League would have like one joke per episode maybe. You can have brightly colored movies with wacky shit like shitposting monkeys without having to tell jokes all the time.

Its just odd to me that the cartoons are more mature than the live action movies.

Evolician posted...

I get that they wanted to do something different from Snyderverse (dark and serious), but I think they try too hard to be funny.

If you watch Superman TAS or any of the most well known Superman comics, theyre not trying to make you laugh. Episodes of Justice League would have like one joke per episode maybe. You can have brightly colored movies with wacky shit like shitposting monkeys without having to tell jokes all the time.

Its just odd to me that the cartoons are more mature than the live action movies.

I get this POV. But given that James Gunn directed it, I went in expecting the humor. His projects always have it.

I actually think that after Snyderverse and a pretty dour Superman Returns, the Man of Steel needed more levity and open optimism. But, like I said, I get why that would not work for all.

Evolician posted...

I get that they wanted to do something different from Snyderverse (dark and serious), but I think they try too hard to be funny.

If you watch Superman TAS or any of the most well known Superman comics, theyre not trying to make you laugh. Episodes of Justice League would have like one joke per episode maybe. You can have brightly colored movies with wacky shit like shitposting monkeys without having to tell jokes all the time.

Its just odd to me that the cartoons are more mature than the live action movies.

DCAU has always been the gold standard for DC adaptations. It really has never been topped.

Having jokes =/= immature tho

This movie touched on some very important and current topics

Looking back I enjoyed how Gunns world actually looks and feels like a comic book world. To the point that citizens were almost decentralized to all the crazy shit going on.

Which is a feeling even the most modern Marvel movies are still lacking. Where Giant monsters, super villains and natural disasters just dont happen enough.

It also solved lore issues like what justified the existence of the Avengers when all they did together was smash hydra bases the military could have handled? Or create their own threats like Ultron?

Speaking of Marvels villains.they REALLY need to stop killing them.

Prismsblade posted...

Looking back I enjoyed how Gunns world actually looks and feels like a comic book world. To the point that citizens were almost decentralized to all the crazy shit going on.

Which is a feeling even the most modern Marvel movies are still lacking. Where Giant monsters, super villains and natural disasters just dont happen enough.

It also solved lore issues like what justified the existence of the Avengers when all they did together was smash hydra bases the military could have handled? Or create their own threats like Ultron?

Speaking of Marvels villains.they REALLY need to stop killing them.

I feel like the classic comic book no kill rule has always been more of a DC thing than Marvel. Like yeah, Marvel has heroes who dont kill like Spider-Man. But the Avengers? Nah theyre permanently neutralizing the threat. I agree that Marvel killing all their villains is a big issue it means they have to keep scraping the bottom of the barrel for villains since theyve already killed off all the iconic ones. I dont think Gunns universe is going to have that problem. I have no doubt that Lex will be a recurring villain and Ultraman will most likely return as well, probably as Bizarro

I think DC also just has better villains than Marvel tbh, at least ones better known by the average Joe. I think if you restricted it to Batman villains vs all of Marvel, most people could name more Batman villains.

So even if DCU kills off its villains, it's got a lot more in the barrel.

BlueBoy675 posted...

I agree that Marvel killing all their villains is a big issue it means they have to keep scraping the bottom of the barrel for villains since theyve already killed off all the iconic ones.

They've done such a poor job with most of their villains, I don't think it makes a difference if they keep them alive or kill them off. Ditto with iconic villains vs bottom-of-the-barrel villains.