Current Events > Andor Season 2 - Episodes 7-9 (SPOILERS)

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With all due respect, George Lucas could not have made Episode 8. Everything about it is several steps above his capabilities

DKJ posted...

Wow, you know it's gonna be good when it's the second episode that pops off.

I had this same feeling! Half-way through I thought to myself, "Holy shit, this is just the second of three episodes."

This show is exceptional in every way. The creators of other Star Wars media should aspire to this level of craft.

My prediction: Dedra gets Axis. Luthen sets up a self-sacrificial play that gives the rebellion a small victory/fighting chance.
She's given a new assignment as a reward: ISB liason aboard a new top-secret battle station...

I could see Luthen being involved with helping the defecting pilot escape with Galen's message for Saw. Dedra will probably be there, and he might reveal himself to her to take heat off the pilot.

Definitely see Dedra being the one who tips off the rebels to the Death Star, which puts Rogue One into motion

i'm actually digging this approach of releasing sets of 3 episodes with each set being depicting a series of events after a timeskip.

feels like i'm watching 4 movies split in 3 parts. lol

Is palmo the only city on ghor?

emblem-man posted...

Is palmo the only city on ghor?

Star Wars planets have really weird population densities. Like 800,000 is an insanely low population for a supposedly powerful planet. But it is also not unusual for Star Wars.

Compsognathus posted...

Star Wars planets have really weird population densities. Like 800,000 is an insanely low population for a supposedly powerful planet. But it is also not unusual for Star Wars.

Star Wars makes more sense when you think of the galaxy as one world and every planet is a city or region. Like Tatooine is a whole ass planet, with like a single small population center, scattered nomads and the top crime boss in the galaxy who has a castle there for some reason.

LightSnake posted...

Star Wars makes more sense when you think of the galaxy as one world and every planet is a city or region. Like Tatooine is a whole ass planet, with like a single small population center, scattered nomads and the top crime boss in the galaxy who has a castle there for some reason.

I think the population of Tatooine (in Legends at the minimum) is 200,000 and has multiple population centers in Mos Eisley, Mos ESPN, Freetown, and Anchorhead. The population likely does not factor in populations of the Tusken Raiders and possibly Jawas.

I thought Syril would get to live long enough to regret his part in fucking over the Ghorman. Nope, lol.

Brilliant show. Can't wait to see how the last few episodes pay off the rest of the unresolved arcs and tie everything up.

-Crissaegrim- posted...

I thought Syril would

Well. He did for a little while, and then he saw Andor and was able to blame him for everything in his life.

LightSnake posted...

I don't think they should do some jangly key stuff because "it'd be nice to see them."

It's partly why SW has done so poorly now.

Andor was the worst performing star wars show for a while.

The4es a large section of the fanbase that WANTS star wars to just be cartoon characters.

In other words Disney can't win for losing. Thankfully it seems the two year break was enough time for people to catch on to how good a show this is.

But I still know many SW fans who haven't even started S1

And also rebels is a really good show, and trying to orchestrate some arbitrary separation between that and this when that show ALSO features many grounded examples of fighting against repression is folly.

littlebro07 posted...

I remember when this series was announced thinking who asked for this

Now its like the best god damn live action Star Wars thing ever

All the more reason SW fans need to stop with the notion of "giving the fans what they want" rather than accepting the artistry from an artist and giving it a chance.

Andor is good because it's been incorporating so many influences: political theory. Spy thrillers. War films. Rebellions and political stories, etc. Th same way the original Star Wars incorporated old pulps, golden age Sci Fi, fantasy stories, Samurai films...

Most of Disney's stuff doesn't reference or incorporate anything but other Star Wars.

LightSnake posted...

Most of Disney's stuff doesn't reference or incorporate anything but other Star Wars.

I blame Filoni

LightSnake posted...

Andor is good because it's been incorporating so many influences: political theory

The political theory in star wars is that fascism is bad. And the opposition to that isnt always unified. Ironically tho they've featured the biggest representative of that theme the least. That would be saw gerrarra and his radical insurgents. Also ironically, this was highlighted in depth until post Disney, and some of clone wars.

Saw gerrerra really needs his own show. That whole scene with Wilmon was great but has no real follow up

Most of Disney's stuff doesn't reference or incorporate anything but other Star Wars.

You must not have watched a lot of the newer star wars stuff because this is blatantly untrue.

S1 and most of S2 Mandalorian is a straight up western, from the boots to the blasters. Acolyte has a lot of wuxia elements. Book of Boba Fett mafia film like elements. I haven't finished skeleton crew yet but that's clearly a reference to 80s coming of age films like ET, the sandlot, an Goonies.

Yeah the other shows have definitely drawn on inspiration from other genres. Just to varying degrees of success. Like Book of Boba Fett was very bad at being a mafia deal but it did want to be one.

The first season of Mandalorian was very Western inspired. And then it just became aping the Mandalorian. Boba Fett never really picked a coherent lane on what it was trying to do and just began aping the Mandalorian. Obi-wan existed to explain how "Darth" was Vader's first name in ANH, the Acolyte was just bad and set up for failure.

Best you can say is Skeleton Crew is trying to (poorly) mimic Spielberg, while Andor has actual good writing and depth.

Compsognathus posted...

Yeah the other shows have definitely drawn on inspiration from other genres. Just to varying degrees of success. Like Book of Boba Fett was very bad at being a mafia deal but it did want to be one.

Book of Boba fett was not just a crime story but a vehicle to give characterization to its main figure that has been absent for nearly 40 years. In that it was successful. The worst part about the show is that two of its epsidoes are epsidoes of a different show.

LightSnake posted...

The first season of Mandalorian was very Western inspired. And then it just became aping the Mandalorian. Boba Fett never really picked a coherent lane on what it was trying to do and just began aping the Mandalorian. Obi-wan existed to explain how "Darth" was Vader's first name in ANH, the Acolyte was just bad and set up for failure.

Acolyte like most star wars things had good and bad elements. Its pacing was its biggest weakness, but its ambition was palpable and sadly overlooked.

Obi Wan existed to give added context and depth to both Obi Wan and Vaders characters in the OT. It also serves to immensely flesh out Darth Vader persona relative to his prequel era characterization vs his more distant, looming presence in the OT. The transition from the brash bold anakin we see in the PT and Vader in the OT is helped very much by the existence of this show and his characterization surrounding his rage at obi wan and how he views what went down between them.

It also explains that Obi Wans unwillingness to take Vader life in ANH, one of rhe most dated elements of that movie, was but an example of his enduring love for his fallen friend and his pain at what has become of him.

I feel like you'd have to be deliberately trying to not see those things after watching the show.

Best you can say is Skeleton Crew is trying to (poorly) mimic Spielberg, while Andor has actual good writing and depth.

I'll reserve that judgement for when I finish it, but im going to imagine you're being much harsher on it than I will be as you seem to be dismissive of star wars content aimed at younger audiences in general. I on the other hand am not.

Toonstrack posted...

Book of Boba fett was not just a crime story but a vehicle to give characterization to its main figure that has been absent for nearly 40 years. In that it was successful. The worst part about the show is that two of its epsidoes are epsidoes of a different show.

Okay, that's not what you said, though. "It has mafia elements!" Does it tho? It's a half baked crime story with no depth, has no real pay off to the attempted themes it attempts to build with Boba Fett's bond to the tuskens (hey, these evil corporate dudes with no character ere responsible for the massacre, shock!) and it attempts to blend genres in a way it can't pull off.

Also, it was so successful Disney announced Boba Fett would probably not be seen again for some time.

Acolyte like most star wars things had good and bad elements. Its pacing was its biggest weakness, but its ambition was palpable and sadly overlooked.

Well, no. It was just bad. The writing was bad, the characters were underbaked, the show lacked direction and Disney slapped it with a budget it couldn't justify. "But it had a few Wu Xia elements!"

Okay.

Obi Wan existed to give added context and depth to both Obi Wan and Vaders characters in the OT. It also serves to immensely flesh out Darth Vader persona relative to his prequel era characterization vs his more distant, looming presence in the OT. The transition from the brash bold anakin we see in the PT and Vader in the OT is helped very much by the existence of this show and his characterization surrounding his rage at obi wan and how he views what went down between them.

And this is why Disney fails so much. Every bit of characterization we ever needed for them was in one scene in A New Hope and three movies of the prequels. There was no need for a rematch where Obi-wan beats Vader and dramatically calls him "DARTH!!!!!" Let alone Anakin whimpering to Obi-wan how "you didn't destroy Anakin! I DID!!!"

Because Disney cannot let anything go unexplained. You can see them frantically workin to explain and fix everything that might be an inconsistency or piece of mystery that made the originals as good as they were. I'm sorry, the idea it "helps" anything is laughable. You know what got it across perfectly? Anakin burning alive, screaming in impotent hatred as Obi-wan told him he loved him.

But some people have to defend their corporate slop that gave us the explanation for the name "han Solo"

It also explains that Obi Wans unwillingness to take Vader life in ANH, one of rhe most dated elements of that movie, was but an example of his enduring love for his fallen friend and his pain at what has become of him.

What "unwillingness" to take his life in ANH? When did he ever have the upper hand in that fight? The whole point is that he can't win that fight! Lucas even says as much in the commentary.

The old EU had to explain explain explain everything but at least it got fun with Han fighting a giant otter.

I'll reserve that judgement for when I finish it, but im going to imagine you're being much harsher on it than I will be as you seem to be dismissive of star wars content aimed at younger audiences in general. I on the other hand am not.

Sorry I have standards for media I watch, I guess.
"It's for kids, it's okay if it sucks!" is dumb. There's plenty of good content for kids. Skeleton Crew just isn't it.

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I'm 3 eps behind so I'm bumping this. I wish this show aired one ep a week cuz it's so hard to keep up. I just watched ep 8 and 9 today. Probably gonna take me all week to finish the next 3.

Episodes 8 and 9 are the best pieces of Star Wars media period. Holy shit. I'm going to be so sad finishing this show. Back to the pig trough with Filoni at the helm.