Current Events > Andor Season 2 - Episodes 7-9 (SPOILERS)

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2BBY let's fucking go.

I think some characters that first appeared in animation will appear in live action in at least one episode.

Fucking. Peak.

Wow...

It's impressive how they can generate so much tension in a getaway sequence for two characters we are 100% certain will get away.

In other Star Wars battles there's always an epic score to measure out the action. Ghorman had no music, just the sounds of fear and death.

Yeah that was fucking incredible. And Bix leaving so Andor could be a leader for the Rebellion makes his Rogue One's ending so much more tragic.

I have a prediction for the end of ep 12; During the epilogue, Bix travels to Scarif to find the place where Cassian died to mourn him.

Those of you hoping for fanservice will probably be disappointed unless you really like Draven, K2-SO, or the chad himself, Melshi.

I remember when this series was announced thinking who asked for this

Now its like the best god damn live action Star Wars thing ever

littlebro07 posted...

I remember when this series was announced thinking who asked for this

Now its like the best god damn live action Star Wars thing ever

not just Star Wars. Its one of the best shows I think Ive seen

Episode 8... wow

Big spoilers for episode 8:

Interesting to see Syril caught up in the middle and almost a tragic figure. He was an ambitious, rule following twit, but his mother made him awful and I think he truly believed he was doing the right thing. At the end, he hated both the empire and the rebellion, but before he could find his own way, he was killed.

I haven't watched episode 9 yet. Gotta play more Expedition 33

bsp77 posted...

Big spoilers for episode 8:

My read is Syril is the classic case of "I voted for this, but I didn't vote for THIS." Moreso, he's the person who has let himself be pushed around all his life and when he finally acts with his own agency, it's far too late. Both of his acts of his own agency are trying to save Dedra (including S1 on Ferrix). It worked once, but not a second time.

CyricZ posted...

Those of you hoping for fanservice will probably be disappointed unless you really like Draven, K2-SO, or the chad himself, Melshi.

I have only watched the first episode from last night, but I was hoping to see The Ghost crew, but maybe in the next set of episodes. I really feel the appearance of them plus Rex and Kallus would be important.

I suggest not getting your hopes up.

These three episodes were the best three episodes of tv that I felt absolutely miserable watching because of how much overlap with current reality there was

It is not, in fact, important and I wish we could just do a story without SW fans needing to constantly demand shoehorn endless self references into everything for the sake of it.

LightSnake posted...

It is not, in fact, important and I wish we could just do a story without SW fans needing to constantly demand shoehorn endless self references into everything for the sake of it.

I like seeing additional characters from outside the show as it makes things more connected. Seeing characters cross over from animation (like Cad Bane) or comics (like Krrsantan) is always nice to see. The MCU does it often with various characters appearing in multiple shows. Whether that being Jimmy Woo and Darcy in WandaVision or Rhodey, who might have been a Skrull starting at this point., it just nice to have things connected.

One reason Andor is so good is the focus on just telling its story without needing to jangle keys and go "ooh, recognize THIS?!" With big winks.

Andor is already steeped in lore but doesn't fall in this trap. And Secret Invasion sucked because it was a spiral of self reference that also didn't matter.

LightSnake posted...

One reason Andor is so good is the focus on just telling its story without needing to jangle keys and go "ooh, recognize THIS?!" With big winks.

Andor is already steeped in lore but doesn't fall in this trap. And Secret Invasion sucked because it was a spiral of self reference that also didn't matter.

Well if a character (or characters) are important to the time period, it is nice to see them. I do not ask that character or characters overtake things, but at least appearing for even a small part. I thought it was nice to see Zeb in Season 3 of The Mandalorian and get to see a character introduced in animation make the jump into live action.

I don't think they should do some jangly key stuff because "it'd be nice to see them."

It's partly why SW has done so poorly now. Everything is focused on references and triggering nostalgia. I'd much rather Andor focus on the grownup storytelling it's been doing rather than make SW fans feel fuzzy about a cartoon character.

I don't think adding the crew of the Ghost would add all that much to the series and it certainly wouldn't be worth the actual headache of arranging it. You'd either be recasting the lot of them or arranging for a bunch of their actors to come back for what would likely be a small scene. That's a lot of work and for what? I don't necessarily mind cameos but they need to make sense in the context of the story being told both narratively and in tonality. And frankly the tone of this arc was not a "oh look it's Ezra!" one.

Compsognathus posted...

I don't think adding the crew of the Ghost would add all that much to the series and it certainly wouldn't be worth the actual headache of arranging it. You'd either be recasting the lot of them or arranging for a bunch of their actors to come back for what would likely be a small scene. That's a lot of work and for what? I don't necessarily mind cameos but they need to make sense in the context of the story being told both narratively and in tonality. And frankly the tone of this arc was not a "oh look it's Ezra!" one.

We already have a live action show with The Ghost crew. And its terrible.

LightSnake posted...

I don't think they should do some jangly key stuff because "it'd be nice to see them."

It's partly why SW has done so poorly now. Everything is focused on references and triggering nostalgia. I'd much rather Andor focus on the grownup storytelling it's been doing rather than make SW fans feel fuzzy about a cartoon character.

If it makes sense for the story, it makes sense. While an appearance of 4LOM and Zuckuss would not make sense for Andor, while an appearance of Kallus would make sense for the story as he was former ISB and would soon be present on Yavin IV.

Seriously, who cares about that in this show? Why cant we have one good story without the need for oooh look at this dude from the cartoon, isnt that cool?! So SW fans can feel satisfied theyve seen everything?

its a big galaxy. Why does everything need to involve cameos and hooks and so forth?

Wow, you know it's gonna be good when it's the second episode that pops off.

Andor s2 episodes 8 and 9 are rated 9.9 and 9.8 on imdb, respectively, and have become the highest rated live action Star Wars episodes ever

and after watching it, just wow

Episode 8 was fucking brutal. Best one so far.

I love this show so much but it makes me so sad. I want more like it, I want more of this tone, this quality. I love the hope in the hopelessness and the fact that it's wrapped in a scifi world that's so thoroughly realized at this point.

I'm definitely gonna have to watch Rogue One once this is done and I'm even considering watching the OT for the first time just to see this all pay off. But I'm just worried that it won't hold a candle in terms of quality writing and acting.

AndyReklaw posted...

I love this show so much but it makes me so sad. I want more like it, I want more of this tone, this quality. I love the hope in the hopelessness and the fact that it's wrapped in a scifi world that's so thoroughly realized at this point.

I'm definitely gonna have to watch Rogue One once this is done and I'm even considering watching the OT for the first time just to see this all pay off. But I'm just worried that it won't hold a candle in terms of quality writing and acting.

I don't even necessarily think I need more tone like this, though more is welcome, it's just the quality.

It's written, acted and filmed so much better than the other Disney+ shows. They are fully using the medium of television to enhance the show. Each episode is a story in itself that also builds towards the overall arc. It isn't just an 8-12 hour long movie where the episode breaks feel arbitrary. It has creative cinematography and dynamic lighting that makes the show look so much better than its contemporary that look like they are shot to be vertically cropped into a TikTok. And the acting and writing are made with the assumption that the viewer is fully watching the show, not having it be background noise while they are on a phone.

Basically, Andor is good not because it's darker and more serious Star Wars it's good because it does all the things that other prestige shows do of any genre do, while also being a Star Wars show. I just want more of that. I don't care if it's a comedy, a space adventure, a detective drama or whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbl8LZbF-bE

I noticed when Partagaz had to correct Dedra's behaviour, that I think he knew that she was nervous about the situation, and that she might not follow through. Given her panic after the fact, I am not so sure she is long for this world. Partagaz may think that she could end up confessing in public forum over her guilt.

After watching the second and third episodes last night, they are at the level of One Way Out from season one which is the best episode from season one. I had only thought we might see the Ghost crew towards the end of the third episode because of when events lie up and we might see a scene from Rebels in live action. It may be possible that we see characters from Rebels and Rogue One next week since everything is at Yavin IV now for the Rebels.

amazing. We get one of the most harrowing portrayals of genocide put to television coupled with an incredible speech about resistance, we have stunning character work and all some people can think of is what about my cartoon characters?! Will they cameo?!

Syril didn't even know what he was angry at or what to go public with once the shiny object of Andor appeared.

Still trying for that boy scout moment in the middle of a massacre.

I'm guessing the final three episodes will focus on the declaration of rebellion and all of these factions trying to finally come together under a common symbol. But are you going to see everyone? Probably not. Maybe Dodonna if you're lucky. Saw still has time to ruin his body.

Next week, the directive has been drilled into us: Watch Rogue One immediately after the end.

Are we at the point where the whole movie changes? Getting there.

Starks posted...

Syril didn't even know what he was angry at or what to go public with once the shiny object of Andor appeared.

Still trying for that boy scout moment in the middle of a massacre.

I'm guessing the final three episodes will focus on the declaration of rebellion and all of these factions trying to finally come together under a common symbol.

Next week, the directive has been drilled into us: Watch Rogue One immediately after the end.

Are we at the point where the whole movie changes? Getting there.

Dedra's gotta die. Her and Partagaz

Speculation about the following episodes for any TV show is normal. There could be a possibility of a scene where Krennic interacts with Galen Erso in one of the episodes next week is an example I thought of. Will there be a mid and/or (intended with those last two words) post credit scene after the final episode? Speculation is just fun for passing the time between episodes.

It would be appropriate for a few seconds of Erso, CGI Tarkin, or Vader next week. But don't expect it.

Things are still well below their radar.

But I really hope next week can function as an extended cut of Rogue One.

Starks posted...

It would be appropriate for a few seconds of Erso, CGI Tarkin, or Vader next week. But don't expect it.

Things are still well below their radar.

But I really hope next week can function as an extended cut of Rogue One.

I too hope that it is seen as an extension of Rogue One as well. I really liked that about the final four episodes of The Clone Wars and the opening episode of The Bad Batch felt like parts of an extended cut of Revenge of the Sith.

Much respect to Jimmy Smits as OG Bail, but Benjamin Bratt killed that performance. Perfect recast, I would not mind if they continued with him now.

Starks posted...

It would be appropriate for a few seconds of Erso, CGI Tarkin, or Vader next week. But don't expect it.

Things are still well below their radar.

But I really hope next week can function as an extended cut of Rogue One.

IIRC they said a long time ago that the end of the show would be chronologically right before RO starts. Like seconds before the movie events.

Which is kinda cool since RO ends seconds before ANH starts.

CommonStar posted...

Much respect to Jimmy Smits as OG Bail, but Benjamin Bratt killed that performance. Perfect recast, I would not mind if they continued with him now.

Agreed. Smits is almost 70, so it'd also be a bit weird to keep seeing him play a role he was doing decades ago

10-12, RO, ANH will be probably be its own trilogy or watch-through.

Bratt still looks a bit too old but it was a lot better this week.

There was a thread on this board a few weeks ago asking why anyone should watch Andor, and that it seems over the top. No offense to that TC intended (everyone is entitled to an opinion), and the thread dropped from the pages long ago.

But if that thread were made today, I would just point to episodes 7-9 and let them speak for themselves. What amazing, amazing television, for the many reasons people bring up here. These were some of the finest TV episodes not just for SW, but for TV in general for years.

The movies are such fantastic adventure serials, and will always be beloved for that. They were setting out to tell a straight forward myth Saturday Morning tale, and it was awesome. But the Empire were just the mustache twirling villains to make the adventure go. This is the only thing SW has done that effectively shows the oppression of the Empire on everyday people. The horror of authoritarianism. And it is so well done.

Such amazing television. And the message is obviously very relevant to our current circumstances we are living through now. Mothmas speech in 10 is speaking to America pretty directly.

I really hope there arent any fan service cameos next week.

This show has been so good without them, it would absolutely ruin it.

In fact, the fan service cameos in Rogue One is my least favorite thing about that movie.

A lot of people still need to die.

Bix probably has the next assassination assignment.

I expect Wil to die and Saw to get maimed together.

Luthen better go down in a blaze of glory.

Dedra having a complete breakdown might be the best visual acting of any Star Wars media.

The whole show has been great, but Episode 8 was incredible down to every detail.

I'm excited to rewatch Rogue One right after the final three episodes.

Season 3 episode 18 of Rebels pretty much picks up right after the last episode of this batch.

cameos

I was hoping to see Dantooine Base, myself, but I can understand not wanting to build a redundant set for just a couple episodes. Especially when there's no real time to explore the evacuation itself.

008Zulu posted...

I noticed when Partagaz had to correct Dedra's behaviour, that I think he knew that she was nervous about the situation, and that she might not follow through. Given her panic after the fact, I am not so sure she is long for this world. Partagaz may think that she could end up confessing in public forum over her guilt.

I didn't expect her to make it though episode 9. It's going to feel weird seeing where she lands after the next time jump.