Current Events > Dem voters on social media sites say Trump winning 2020 would've been preferable

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I've seen Democratic voters on social media sites say that Trump winning 2020 would've stung at first but have been better in the long-run because we'd be entirely over Trump now.

I personally disagree because Biden appointed crucial judges that have kept this country from becoming Nazi Germany which wouldn't have been there if Trump won in 2020.

If Trump had won 2020 he'd be on his third term now.

No, it would have been about as bad, and would have just hit earlier.

If people thought the increase of prices under Biden's presidency was bad, I don't think they understand how truly awful the US covid recovery and inflation would get if Trump won reelection.

Obviously it would be best if Trump lost 2020 and 2024, but it felt like Biden got elected off of "enough of this Trump clown show", so the fact the clown show is back with a majority popular vote this time is a pretty bad reflection of how Biden's term was received and/or his debate performance and late withdrawal.

I mean, would've been better if he got crushed in 2016

No. His agenda would have been the same regardless. He'd still have eliminated anyone who wasn't a complete loyalist. He would have found a way to stay on another term, or at the very least ensure his successor was a loyalist who would do whatever he said.

That's the dumbest ass shit I've heard.

Have people just completely forgotten that 2020 was in the depths of the pandemic and it went on for another ~two years afterwards? And the two years after that were a period of economic malaise that the government had to steer us out of?

People want Trump to be in charge of that? Really?? He fucked up the initial response to COVID so badly that a million Americans died! What, do these Democrats think he could have beat his own high score or something?

By all accounts, Biden steered the American economic recovery admirably. The US had one of the smoothest returns to normalcy on the planet and while inflation did happen, it was lower than just about every other developed nation. There was constant concern from economists that the US could slide into recession, but Biden and his team ensured it never happened. Now, within just three months of taking office, Trump has undone all that and every economic warning light is blinking red.

I think I finally understand what Lewis Black was talking about when he said that the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that "the Democrats are dumb, but the Republicans are stupid."

Biden walked the tightrope to avoid a recession.

We would've gotten a depression, plague (covid), and hyperinflation if he had won 2020.

Honestly probably. Trump is stupid and unplanned. The break allowed people to plan for him.

Would have been preferable if Trump was arrested and not allowed to run after backing a fucking coup attempt.

There's also the thing where he was easily Covid's biggest ally bar none.

LightSnake posted...

I mean, would've been better if he got crushed in 2016

This.

Hillary wins, she appoints three SC judges to give it a liberal majority, Heritage Foundation can't make Project 2025 a thing because it relied on the SC making the President (i.e.: Trump) legally-untouchable, the Trump cult/MAGA would not be anywhere near the thing it is now, and Trump would had probably faded into obscurity.

Solar_Crimson posted...

This.

Hillary wins, she appoints three SC judges to give it a liberal majority, Heritage Foundation can't make Project 2025 a thing because it relied on the SC making the President (i.e.: Trump) legally-untouchable, the Trump cult/MAGA would not be anywhere near the thing it is now, and Trump would had probably faded into obscurity.

https://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/a_liberal_case_for_donald_trump_the_lesser_of_two_evils_is_not_at_all_clear_in_2016/

Some people should never, EVER be allowed to forget what they advocated for

Probably not. He likely wouldnt have been as vengeful as he is now and Elon likely wouldnt have any involvement in politics had Trump won. However, Biden actually did a good job at recovering the economy after COVID destroyed, and I imagine that Trump would have done a dreadful job at doing so. Plus the people that are pulling his strings would still be having him push us back into archaic times, he just might not have had Elon as one of the people pulling them.

If anything, maybe suspending/banning him on Twitter was the mistake, since thats the primary reason that pushed Elon to buy Twitter and buy his way into being able to hold fhe marionette crossbar that Trump is connected to. But even that isnt clear cut since that means Trump would still be able to peddle lies to his fan base on a site much larger than his Truth Social.

LightSnake posted...

I mean, would've been better if he got crushed in 2016

This.

If he HAD to get elected or reelected at all, 2020 would've been better, though; the four years in-between the terms allowed them the time to plan the chaos that has shattered the stability of the nation.

I mean he would have been less demented and vengeful if he won a consecutive second term but the whole reason why the second term is worse than the first one is because the trump admin has nothing to lose this time and don't need to put on a facade of "bipartisanship", which would have been true even if the orange chud emperor won in 2020.

Russia would already be invading Europe.

Palestine would be a hotel already.

Lobinde posted...

I mean he would have been less demented and vengeful if he won a consecutive

Lol

Sure buddy

It would have been better than this, yes.

If he'd won 2020, he would have just continued being a worthless, do-nothing loser who golfed through most of his term. There would be no Elon, no DOGE, and MAGA would have taken the brunt of the blame for Covid inflation, crippling their power for years to come. There would have been no Jan 6, and no resulting SC ruling that the President has total prosecutorial immunity. Trump would never have been set on the war path, there would be no viable Project 2025, no JD Vance. Repubs would have continued to lose support, would not have regained control of congress, meaning likely no Mike Johnson.

Yes, we would have lost justices, and that would suck a big one. But it would be better than this.

It's too early to tell, but I want to say yes.

SAlYAN posted...

It would have been better than this, yes.

If he'd won 2020, he would have just continued being a worthless, do-nothing loser who golfed through most of his term. There would be no Elon, no DOGE, and MAGA would have taken the brunt of the blame for Covid inflation, crippling their power for years to come. There would have been no Jan 6, and no resulting SC ruling that the President has total prosecutorial immunity. Trump would never have been set on the war path, there would be no viable Project 2025, no JD Vance. Repubs would have continued to lose support, would not have regained control of congress, meaning likely no Mike Johnson.

Yes, we would have lost justices, and that would suck a big one. But it would be better than this.

The timeline would have just moved up. All of this is happening specifically because they have nothing to lose with a second term, compared to a first, so if the second term just happens earlier, it accelerates things more. And considering what was going on at the time, COVID probably causes even more devastation.

Obviously the answer here is "its be better if he never won any election."
But in hindsight the trumpers that were like "hyuck hyuck if you just woulda voted trump last time it'd be over!" Were right...

HashtagSEP posted...

The timeline would have just moved up. All of this is happening specifically because they have nothing to lose with a second term, compared to a first, so if the second term just happens earlier, it accelerates things more. And considering what was going on at the time, COVID probably causes even more devastation.

It would not. The difference is attitude.

Trump right now is on a war path. He feels slighted by 2020 and is hell bent on getting revenge and hurting as many people as possible.

A Trump that won 2020 doesn't have that. He remains the same golfing lame duck he was before. He has no Elon, has no reason to look at project 2025, has no reason to "reward" anyone. He's much more dangerous now than he was then

cousinvini posted...

Would have been preferable if Trump was arrested and not allowed to run after backing a fucking coup attempt.

This. The fact that he was still allowed to run again is fucking stupid

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Honestly, yes.

Look, as cold as it is to say, the people who would have suffered most under a worse pandemic would have been the MAGA base. The resulting damage would have broken MAGA's power for good.

Trump would have taken the blame for inflation, for Palestine, for Afghanistan, all of which the dems got stuck holding the bag for.

And there would be no project 2025. No Elon. No "total presidential immunity." We would still have Twitter.

Like, I don't know why it's so hard to understand that losing 2020 made Trump much more angry and much more dangerous.

For fuck's sake, he's done more damage in the last month than he did in his first four years combined. It's foolish to think that his last four years of seething did nothing to make this nightmare happen.

The 4 years of planning and his continued cognative decline are making a difference, I'd say. I do think him in 2020 would have been a bit less awful than his 2024 form. They had time to come up with project 2025 and the people in his orbit are even worse than during his first term.

Dont get me wrong, 2020 would have been a disaster too, but the chance for them to plan and organize really helped his ghoul handers take hold of the second admin and cause immense lasting damage in just two months.

I can sort of see the logic - Jan 6 never happens, neither does the "perfect phone call". The hush-money, classified docs in the bathroom among other things never come to light.

Dumpy continues to fuck things up, but WITHOUT Elon.

Project 2025 would be in play, although under a different name.

The immunity ruling has no reason to occur.

However, knowing what we know, he would have still tried to install himself as dictator (and likely been successful), just a little earlier, and now we would be at 4+ years of the orange clown show part 2, instead of 2 months. So... hang in there, he can't live forever (even if it feels like it).

SAlYAN posted...

It would not. The difference is attitude.

Trump right now is on a war path. He feels slighted by 2020 and is hell bent on getting revenge and hurting as many people as possible.

A Trump that won 2020 doesn't have that. He remains the same golfing lame duck he was before. He has no Elon, has no reason to look at project 2025, has no reason to "reward" anyone. He's much more dangerous now than he was then

I feel like it's incredibly naive to think he suddenly wouldn't have wanted to be a dictator 4 years earlier when we already know he always wanted that.

HashtagSEP posted...

I feel like it's incredibly naive to think he suddenly wouldn't have wanted to be a dictator 4 years earlier when we already know he always wanted that.

Of course he would have wanted it.

What he wouldn't have is a fucking strategy. At worst, we would have gotten Jan 6 two months ago instead of in 2021.

It would've been dramatically more COVID deaths, yet vaguely less fascism.

As Douglas Adams said in the hitchikers guide, and I quote to the best of my memory, "Many people, upon encountering a Vogon, would wish they had never been born. Clearer minded thinkers however, would wish the Vogon had never been born."

I prefer to go with winning neither one.

Would have been better if Biden actually punished the Jan 6ers, and imprisoned Trump under military surveillance if not outright executed him

SAlYAN posted...

Of course he would have wanted it.

What he wouldn't have is a fucking strategy. At worst, we would have gotten Jan 6 two months ago instead of in 2021.

They don't have a strategy now, though, as evidenced by how much they've had to screw up and try to backtrack on some things, already. They're literally just doing fascist shit without fully thinking it through.

The issue is that Trump and the GOP saw exactly what they could get away with following his loss in 2020

There's a chance that if he won in 2020, they wouldn't be as brazen about what they're trying to do.

Then again, there's also a chance that this bullshit would have just occurred much earlier.

P2025 is a response to losing 2020 and the whole "the checks and balances didn't let him be a big enough dipshit in the first term" thing. So in that context it makes sense

Maybe, because hed have continued bungling things and taken all the blame for it instead of Biden taking the blame for not fixing it fast enough. 2024 would have probably been like 2008 in terms of Democratic sweep after 8 years of Trump, COVID, and a recession.

The question is whether wed have survived until 2024 the way things are going now.

If Hillary won 2016, I feel like shed have been blamed for COVID and lost 2020. Still worth it for the Supreme Court.

Also, there's something to be said for the GOP underperforming during the midterms in 2022. I'd imagine it'd be even worse if Trump had the presidency

HashtagSEP posted...

They don't have a strategy now, though, as evidenced by how much they've had to screw up and try to backtrack on some things, already. They're literally just doing fascist shit without fully thinking it through.

They DO have a strategy now. The fact they're DOING all of this speaks to it.

Project 2025 IS a strategy, and they're following it to the letter. And that strategy does not exist if Trump won 2020.

Like, I don't see what's so hard to understand about a bitter, angry, vindictive baby being more dangerous than a lame duck golfing baby who doesn't give a shit.

Ffs, a solid 75% of the bullshit we see today is coming from Musk, who WOULDNT BE THERE if Trump won 2020. No Musk. No DOGE. Fuck, the only reason Elon bought Twitter was because Trump got banned, which wouldn't have happened if he'd won.

SAlYAN posted...

They DO have a strategy now. The fact they're DOING all of this speaks to it.

Project 2025 IS a strategy, and they're following it to the letter. And that strategy does not exist if Trump won 2020.

Like, I don't see what's so hard to understand about a bitter, angry, vindictive baby being more dangerous than a lame duck golfing baby who doesn't give a shit.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because I think they come up with "Project 2025" in whatever form, regardless. The only real difference would be that they could've started implementing steps sooner, and would've had an even easier time doing so, with another supreme court judge. This kind of thing was always the end game, even if not from Trump specifically.

HashtagSEP posted...

We'll have to agree to disagree, because I think they come up with "Project 2025" in whatever form, regardless. The only real difference would be that they could've started implementing steps sooner, and would've had an even easier time doing so, with another supreme court judge. This kind of thing was always the end game, even if not from Trump specifically.

I agree that P2025 was always the goal of a certain subset of Republicans. What I disagree on is Trump having any motivation to do it.

SAlYAN posted...

I agree that P2025 was always the goal of a certain subset of Republicans. What I disagree on is Trump having any motivation to do it.

If they told him it might mean he didn't have to leave? He'd do whatever they told him to do. Trump isn't the one calling the shots, I think that much is clear. He's a useful idiot.

I don't know if that's true, but Trump winning again in 2020 would have kept most of the reasonably sane people from his first administration included, where him losing lead to the complete gutting of competence in his administration so that they only people left with Trump are sycophants and parasites who will never challenge any dumb idea Trump has.

In that way, its reasonable to think this would still be the case had Trump never lost, and we'd be in a system with at least the appearance of competence.

Not to mention, Trump right now is clearly a puppet of the Project 2025 people. Had he never lost in 2020, and therefore could keep himself safe from prosecution another 4 years, he'd be much more outspoken about whatever now, whereas now he's clearly not the guy running the show.

PraetorXyn posted...

If Hillary won 2016, I feel like shed have been blamed for COVID and lost 2020. Still worth it for the Supreme Court.

Ehhh, the republicans made it clear in 2015 they just wouldn't let a democrat fill those Supreme Court vacancies. If Hillary won, They probably would have just stalled any of the seats being filled, and then we'd have 3 empty seats for whoever was leading the Republicans in 2020. Interestingly, it probably wouldn't have been Trump, had he lost to Clinton.

Project 2025 isn't something that came out of nowhere. Project 2020 was absolutely a thing that was in the works too. The heritage foundation has been concocting plans since the 70's. They fed Reagan ideas that fucked us over too.

So the only thing that's uncertain is how much of it Trump would have went along with if he won in 2020.

I find it interesting that both Trump and Musk were pretty staunch Democrats until recently.

Tinfoil hat hope here, but what if they are playing the villains to reach a better future faster? I know it's absurd but eh, time will tell how bad it gets.

Keep hope alive and keep fighting. Vote and call your reps often.

There's a fucking reason Project 20XX updated with a new set of numbers every time.

Because it's been the plan for a very long time.

These idiots are exactly that: idiots.