Current Events > California introduces "Duty to Retreat" law

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Monolith1676 03/03/25 11:27:12 AM #1:	https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/duty-to-retreat-california-introduces-dangerous-new-law/ss-AA1A97g2 --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:984233602] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/duty-to-retreat-california-introduces-dangerous-new-law/ss-AA1A97g2</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 03/03/25 11:28:43 AM #2:	I thought this was already a law. What's the purpose of this law? --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:984233619] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>I thought this was already a law.What's the purpose of this law?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ironman2009 03/03/25 11:30:16 AM #3:	Choosing to get shot in the back over defending yourself is wild. --- THRILLHO <cite>ironman2009 posted [p:984233639] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Choosing to get shot in the back over defending yourself is wild. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HighSeraph 03/03/25 11:31:19 AM #4:	Get banned already Monolith --- Crimsoness' Alt <cite>HighSeraph posted [p:984233658] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Get banned already Monolith</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crimson_Corsair 03/03/25 11:32:10 AM #5:	Existing law defines homicide as the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with or without malice aforethought, as specified. Existing law establishes certain circumstances in which homicide is justifiable, as specified. This bill would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide is justifiable, including, among others, in defense of a habitation or property. The bill would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including, among others, when a person uses more force than necessary to defend against a danger. By expanding the scope of the crime of homicide, this bill would create a state-mandated local program. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. Fuck all of that noise. --- My head's not torn off, my sunglasses aren't broken. Amen, hallelujah, peanut butter. <cite>Crimson_Corsair posted [p:984233670] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Existing law defines homicide as the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with or without malice aforethought, as specified. Existing law establishes certain circumstances in which homicide is justifiable, as specified.This bill would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide is justifiable, including, among others, in defense of a habitation or property. The bill would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including, among others, when a person uses more force than necessary to defend against a danger.By expanding the scope of the crime of homicide, this bill would create a state-mandated local program.The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.Fuck all of that noise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuuuDe14 03/03/25 11:33:39 AM #6:	Fuck that --- The Official Sons of Sparda of all GameFAQS boards. June 10, 2018. The day Dante returned to us. Do what you want, just don't expect to get paid. <cite>DuuuDe14 posted [p:984233690] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Fuck that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 03/03/25 11:35:12 AM #7:	What a crock of shit. Hopefully this goes nowhere because it would just further the view that Democrats are both weak on crime and are harder on innocents than criminals. --- Fix your hearts or die. When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:984233714] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>What a crock of shit. Hopefully this goes nowhere because it would just further the view that Democrats are both weak on crime and are harder on innocents than criminals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/03/25 1:12:45 PM #8:	As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:984234802] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/03/25 1:15:40 PM #9:	Is it possible that Survival World, the original publisher of this article, is not representing it accurately? --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:984234840] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Is it possible that Survival World, the original publisher of this article, is not representing it accurately? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starks 03/03/25 1:17:11 PM #10:	Monolith1676 posted... As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to. Castle doctrine is pretty absolute. If you are in your house, there is no duty to retreat. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) <cite>Starks posted [p:984234866] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted... </cite><quote>As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to.</quote>Castle doctrine is pretty absolute. If you are in your house, there is no duty to retreat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDurinator 03/03/25 1:28:43 PM #11:	I can't even imagine living somewhere without castle doctrine. <cite>TheDurinator posted [p:984235019] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>I can't even imagine living somewhere without castle doctrine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/03/25 1:31:22 PM #12:	Antifar posted... Is it possible that Survival World, the original publisher of this article, is not representing it accurately? The article has a link to the bill if you want to judge it on your own. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:984235059] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite><quote>Is it possible that Survival World, the original publisher of this article, is not representing it accurately?</quote>The article has a link to the bill if you want to judge it on your own.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 03/03/25 1:32:23 PM #13:	So does that mean the criminal now has a duty to retreat if threatened by someone? --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:984235073] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>So does that mean the criminal now has a duty to retreat if threatened by someone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Toonstrack 03/03/25 1:34:47 PM #15:	Who even pushed this lol --- The succotash is suffering. Comic Artist <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:984235102] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Who even pushed this lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 03/03/25 1:37:35 PM #16:	Monolith1676 posted... As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to. That would be a huge outlier if so. Several states have duty to retreat laws and those laws don't apply in your home. --- "If you are always trying to be normal, you will never know how amazing you can be." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:984235127] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted... </cite><quote>As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to.</quote>That would be a huge outlier if so. Several states have duty to retreat laws and those laws don't apply in your home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 03/03/25 1:38:52 PM #17:	Nah --- Warning: This post may contain triggering or distressing content. <cite>eggcorn posted [p:984235138] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Nah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starks 03/03/25 1:39:59 PM #18:	https://sjvsun.com/california/calif-bill-would-ban-using-lethal-force-to-defend-your-home-now-its-author-is-rethinking-his-proposal/ --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) <cite>Starks posted [p:984235152] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>https://sjvsun.com/california/calif-bill-would-ban-using-lethal-force-to-defend-your-home-now-its-author-is-rethinking-his-proposal/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranQroppoop 03/03/25 1:43:15 PM #19:	Obviously if you don't have to kill someone in order to be safe you should choose that option. Bill text doesn't seem to distinquish between retreating and being able to safely retreat. Like your going to have people after the fact try to argue someone could have retreated even if the person didn't think they'd be able to. --- Any last one-liners before I go ape on you? - Hoss Delgado Mmm, toast some marshmallows for me too Mailman.- Chris Paul <cite>GranQroppoop posted [p:984235182] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Obviously if you don't have to kill someone in order to be safe you should choose that option. Bill text doesn't seem to distinquish between retreating and being able to safely retreat.Like your going to have people after the fact try to argue someone could have retreated even if the person didn't think they'd be able to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/03/25 1:46:16 PM #20:	Starks posted... https://sjvsun.com/california/calif-bill-would-ban-using-lethal-force-to-defend-your-home-now-its-author-is-rethinking-his-proposal/ Based upon his comment at the end he had no idea what he was doing and was pushing for something he didn't understand. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:984235207] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Starks posted... </cite><quote>https://sjvsun.com/california/calif-bill-would-ban-using-lethal-force-to-defend-your-home-now-its-author-is-rethinking-his-proposal/</quote>Based upon his comment at the end he had no idea what he was doing and was pushing for something he didn't understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 03/03/25 1:47:40 PM #21:	Monolith1676 posted... As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to. the bill proposes a major shift by introducing a duty to retreat when outside the home. That's like the first line of the article. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:984235223] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted... </cite><quote>As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to.</quote><quote>the bill proposes a major shift by introducing a duty to retreat when outside the home. </quote>That's like the first line of the article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 03/03/25 1:48:32 PM #22:	I just woke up from my lunch nap so maybe I don't have my lawyerin cap on, but... how would this still not allow someone to defend their home? (2)When committed in defense ~~of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors~~, of a person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors in a violent, riotous, or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein. I spoiled out the section that was struck through in the bill. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:984235234] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>I just woke up from my lunch nap so maybe I don't have my lawyerin cap on, but... how would this still not allow someone to defend their home?<quote>(2)When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, of a person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors in a violent, riotous, or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein.</quote>I spoiled out the section that was struck through in the bill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 03/03/25 1:52:41 PM #23:	"Why can't Democrats win elections?" --- https://i.imgur.com/TGkNCva.gif https://i.imgur.com/8mWCvA4.gif <cite>FL81 posted [p:984235285] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>"Why can't Democrats win elections?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TendoDRM 03/03/25 1:55:24 PM #24:	FL81 posted... "Why can't Democrats win elections?" Because people like TC keep pushing misinformation. --- Cel Damage! Tonight at 8:00! <cite>TendoDRM posted [p:984235313] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite><quote>"Why can't Democrats win elections?"</quote>Because people like TC keep pushing misinformation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/03/25 2:03:09 PM #25:	Heineken14 posted... I just woke up from my lunch nap so maybe I don't have my lawyerin cap on, but... how would this still not allow someone to defend their home? I spoiled out the section that was struck through in the bill. If they're not threatening your life you don't have the right to shoot them while they're in your home because property was stricken from that text that says when homicide is justified. In other words, if a guy breaks into your house and starts taking all your shit but is not personally threatening you, you do not have a right to shoot him under the revised wording, because homicide in defense of property would no longer be a qualifier. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:984235385] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Heineken14 posted... </cite><quote>I just woke up from my lunch nap so maybe I don't have my lawyerin cap on, but... how would this still not allow someone to defend their home?I spoiled out the section that was struck through in the bill.</quote>If they're not threatening your life you don't have the right to shoot them while they're in your home because property was stricken from that text that says when homicide is justified. In other words, if a guy breaks into your house and starts taking all your shit but is not personally threatening you, you do not have a right to shoot him under the revised wording, because homicide in defense of property would no longer be a qualifier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/03/25 5:07:58 PM #26:	s0nicfan posted... If they're not threatening your life you don't have the right to shoot them while they're in your home because property was stricken from that text that says when homicide is justified. In other words, if a guy breaks into your house and starts taking all your shit but is not personally threatening you, you do not have a right to shoot him under the revised wording, because homicide in defense of property would no longer be a qualifier. If someone breaks into the house and me and my family are there I would consider them a threat to me or my family. I don't know what their mindset is and I don't want to second guess and risk the lives of my family. Glad the "genius" who thought of this is rethinking it. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:984237399] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>If they're not threatening your life you don't have the right to shoot them while they're in your home because property was stricken from that text that says when homicide is justified. In other words, if a guy breaks into your house and starts taking all your shit but is not personally threatening you, you do not have a right to shoot him under the revised wording, because homicide in defense of property would no longer be a qualifier.</quote>If someone breaks into the house and me and my family are there I would consider them a threat to me or my family. I don't know what their mindset is and I don't want to second guess and risk the lives of my family. Glad the "genius" who thought of this is rethinking it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pupeye 03/03/25 5:23:34 PM #27:	Monolith1676 posted... As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to. And leave your kids behind. <cite>pupeye posted [p:984237574] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted... </cite><quote>As it reads, it seems if someone breaks into your house while you are inside you will have to flee your home if you are able to.</quote>And leave your kids behind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kingmuscle131 03/03/25 6:23:31 PM #28:	Id still shoot'em. out here this would just mean you have to work harder afterwards. --- Basically, I'm for anything that gets you through the night~Frank Sinatra <cite>Kingmuscle131 posted [p:984238228] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Id still shoot'em. out here this would just mean you have to work harder afterwards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeraldDarko 03/03/25 6:26:38 PM #29:	HashtagSEP posted... That's like the first line of the article. Classic Monolith He is not what I would call a discerning individual. --- Carpe petat <cite>GeraldDarko posted [p:984238258] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>That's like the first line of the article.</quote>Classic Monolith He is not what I would call a discerning individual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 03/03/25 6:28:41 PM #30:	GeraldDarko posted... Classic Monolith He is not what I would call a discerning individual. Lack of discernment is not the issue. TC has an agenda to push, and they are doing exactly that. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:984238284] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>GeraldDarko posted... </cite><quote>Classic Monolith He is not what I would call a discerning individual.</quote>Lack of discernment is not the issue. TC has an agenda to push, and they are doing exactly that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 03/03/25 6:32:38 PM #31:	Toonstrack posted... Who even pushed this lol The pro-breaking and entering lobby --- Buffalo Bills <cite>theAteam posted [p:984238326] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Who even pushed this lol</quote>The pro-breaking and entering lobby</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 03/03/25 6:33:40 PM #32:	theAteam posted... The pro-breaking and entering lobby People do a lot of breaking and entering before confronting you in a public place, typically? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:984238338] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>theAteam posted... </cite><quote>The pro-breaking and entering lobby</quote>People do a lot of breaking and entering before confronting you in a public place, typically?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 03/03/25 8:41:18 PM #33:	TendoDRM posted... Because people like TC keep pushing misinformation. This. TC is a massive trumper chud who just happens to live in California, and does nothing but make topics about how bad they believe California to be, instead of moving to a red state, where they would undoubtedly be better off, /s. --- The republican party cheered nazi salutes on stage. The American experiment is over. We failed. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:984239901] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>TendoDRM posted... </cite><quote>Because people like TC keep pushing misinformation.</quote>This.TC is a massive trumper chud who just happens to live in California, and does nothing but make topics about how bad they believe California to be, instead of moving to a red state, where they would undoubtedly be better off, /s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 03/03/25 9:05:19 PM #34:	mybbqrules posted... This. TC is a massive trumper chud who just happens to live in California, and does nothing but make topics about how bad they believe California to be, instead of moving to a red state, where they would undoubtedly be better off, /s. I do have to wonder why TC refuses to go to a place that puts in the initiatives they want if California is so terribly offensive. Why not move to Alabama, or Missouri, or fuckin' Saudi Arabia? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:984240180] in California... [t:80944119]...</cite> <quote>mybbqrules posted... </cite><quote>This.TC is a massive trumper chud who just happens to live in California, and does nothing but make topics about how bad they believe California to be, instead of moving to a red state, where they would undoubtedly be better off, /s.</quote>I do have to wonder why TC refuses to go to a place that puts in the initiatives they want if California is so terribly offensive.Why not move to Alabama, or Missouri, or fuckin' Saudi Arabia?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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