Current Events > This time around, we have to be strategic about what we call Trump out for

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During his last presidency, liberals/centrists and the mainstream media went after Trump for every minute detail. And much of it was deserved. But as we have learned, virtue signaling has gotten us nowhere.

We need to hammer Trump and the right over substantive policies that will affect millions of people. The birthright citizenship ban is an example of a policy we need to vocalize and never stop talking about.

We know Trump is an asshole, and he is going to say stupid shit every day. But his supporters like that, and they feel emboldened when MSM goes after Trump about that kind of thing. We have to pick our battles wisely if we want to push back effectively. But unfortunately, Im afraid liberals havent learned this lesson and will continue dogging on Trump over relatively minor issues.

We have to attack Trump over issues that even right wingers can agree with. Mark Zuckerberg, for example. The right doesnt like him, despite his ass-kissing for Trump, so we have to use that to our advantage. We dont want an oligarchy in our country, it goes against the very foundation of who we are. This is an issue we can use to pull Trump supporters to the left economically.

Bottom line is this: attack Trump vigorously over issues that his supporters also find problematic, and dont let up. We all want better healthcare, expanded medicare, and lower prescription drug prices. Hold Trumps feet to the fire on these issues, as well as any unconstitutional actions he takes.

Im seeing my mom and people of her age criticizing Trump on facebook like its 2016 and its annoying as fuck. I can see why people are drawn to Trump, the complaining gets old, even if I personally agree with it. Now imagine those who disagree. The annoyance factor must be exponential.

Bottom line is we really have to be more strategic this time. But like I said, liberals are probably going to fuck this up again.

Im hoping this rant made an ounce of sense.

Just remember, the stuff we call him out for is the stuff his supporters like and want.

And apparently everyone else hasn't been paying attention for the past 8 years so don't expect them to start now.

The dude organized an insurrection and his bestie billionaire friend just threw out a Nazi salute twice on national television

We're cooked, nothing will stop that POS. Evil gets to win

Accolon posted...

Just remember, the stuff we call him out for is the stuff his supporters like and want.

And apparently everyone else hasn't been paying attention for the past 8 years so don't expect them to start now.

Exactly. It does us no good to be critical of attributes that his supporters like. Its much easier and more effective to go after Trump over economic policies. That is the way to win people over. We saw the entire country coalesce around Luigi just a month ago. If we could reinvigorate that energy and turn it on Trump, the left could actually make solid progress towards dismantling the right.

Yeah, what the fuck is the deal with Luigi Time?

MC_BatCommander posted...

The dude organized an insurrection and his bestie billionaire friend just threw out a Nazi salute twice on national television

We're cooked, nothing will stop that POS. Evil gets to win

Thats basically how I feel too. Our last ditch effort is the Bernie approach. Take several key issues that 90% of the country can agree with and relentlessly go after Trump for ignoring the middle class.

The racism stuff is alarmingly ineffective, despite its validity.

clyde_frog posted...

Exactly. It does us no good to be critical of attributes that his supporters like. Its much easier and more effective to go after Trump over economic policies. That is the way to win people over. We saw the entire country coalesce around Luigi just a month ago. If we could reinvigorate that energy and turn it on Trump, the left could actually make solid progress towards dismantling the right.

Who am I gonna believe: You, or the smart man on the AM radio who say that Trump's economic policies are amazing

The other problem is, even if we convince enough Republicans that Trump has shit economic policies, the next Dem will not do much better, whether because of incompetence or Republican interference.

Then we'll be right back where we started. And that all assumes Trump doesn't irreparably damage our elections in the next four years.

Conversely; Fuck strategy, scorch the earth.

MC_BatCommander posted...

The dude organized an insurrection and his bestie billionaire friend just threw out a Nazi salute twice on national television

We're cooked, nothing will stop that POS. Evil gets to win

Pretty much. Everyone talked about the legit bad things he did the first time and nobody cared. I find very little reason to believe they will care this time either.

Humans are selfish. They don't care about other people suffering. They only care about what personally affects them. That's what the Democrats need to focus on. Their campaigns need to focus on promising them everything under the sun, even if they don't plan on doing most of it.

Once elected, they need to spend the first year doing things that makes the general public happy. Then the second and third year they can stop, and focus on cleaning up the Republicans messes. Then on the fourth year, start doing stuff that makes the general public happy again, while reminding them what you did for them in year one, because their caveman brains aren't going to remember unless reminded, and are currently being catered to. The Democrats don't have to worry about the Republicans matching their good deeds, because Republicans aren't capable of doing so.

Complete_Idi0t posted...

Who am I gonna believe: You, or the smart man on the AM radio who say that Trump's economic policies are amazing

AM radio distortion gives your voice more credibility, obviously.

Accolon posted...

The other problem is, even if we convince enough Republicans that Trump has shit economic policies, the next Dem will not do much better, whether because of incompetence or Republican interference.

Then we'll be right back where we started. And that all assumes Trump doesn't irreparably damage our elections in the next four years.

That is a problem we could face. But we were guaranteed to have that issue anyway with Kamala. By the time 2028 hits, Dems might come around to the idea that moving to the center/ center right is not a winning model.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what we call Trump out for, it's all down to the mainstream media. We can scream until we are blue in the face about his anti-trans laws, or push to deport legal immigrants. If the NBCs and ABCs decide to spend a full week on his verbal gaffes, and stupid anecdotes, that's all the layman voter will know about.

Leading up to the election, they spent numerous news cycles on his McDonalds stunt rather than his actual policy plans, and that is what stuck with voters. Now we are paying for it

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Humans are selfish. They don't care about other people suffering. They only care about what personally affects them. That's what the Democrats need to focus on. Their campaigns need to focus on promising them everything under the sun, even if they don't plan on doing most of it.

I'd agree with this, and I say that as a minority. We know a lot of people don't give a shit. That's been shown. Strategy is the name of the game now.

clyde_frog posted...

The birthright citizenship ban is an example of a policy we need to vocalize and never stop talking about.

What? I am all for pragmatism but how can you possibly think that's a winning issue? Immigration was Trump's best polling issue. Most Americans hate immigrants and think he is closing a "loophole" that lets them get citizenship.

You need to concentrate on stuff that affects most people and ignore stuff like this. Talk about tariffs hurting the economy and driving up prices.

I'm not giving up. It's scary as fuck, but I'm going to keep being kind and respectful to people. I'm still going to believe in good.

If that makes me a naive idiot, so be it.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Humans are selfish. They don't care about other people suffering. They only care about what personally affects them. That's what the Democrats need to focus on. Their campaigns need to focus on promising them everything under the sun, even if they don't plan on doing most of it.

Once elected, they need to spend the first year doing things that makes the general public happy. Then the second and third year they can stop, and focus on cleaning up the Republicans messes. Then on the fourth year, start doing stuff that makes the general public happy again, while reminding them what you did for them in year one, because their caveman brains aren't going to remember unless reminded, and are currently being catered to. The Democrats don't have to worry about the Republicans matching their good deeds, because Republicans aren't capable of doing so.

I agree 100%. Dems need to enact something radically different from the status quo as a way to prove to the American people that our voice matters and we are being heard.

Imagine if we passed free single-payer healthcare in year one, and we get it up and running in year 2 or 3. Thats enough time for voters to get accustomed to and appreciate a significant upheaval to our healthcare system before the next election. What a win that would be.

clyde_frog posted...

I agree 100%. Dems need to enact something radically different from the status quo as a way to prove to the American people that our voice matters and we are being heard.

Imagine if we passed free single-payer healthcare in year one, and we get it up and running in year 2 or 3. Thats enough time for voters to get accustomed to and appreciate a significant upheaval to our healthcare system before the next election. What a win that would be.

Free healthcare would definitely be a game changer. Even when Republicans try to twist it as a bad thing, everyone except the most brainwashed of cultists are going to ignore them because they're no longer getting put in financial debt every time they get sick or injured.

devilminion posted...

The thing is, it doesn't matter what we call Trump out for, it's all down to the mainstream media. We can scream until we are blue in the face about his anti-trans laws, or push to deport legal immigrants. If the NBCs and ABCs decide to spend a full week on his verbal gaffes, and stupid anecdotes, that's all the layman voter will know about.

Leading up to the election, they spent numerous news cycles on his McDonalds stunt rather than his actual policy plans, and that is what stuck with voters. Now we are paying for it

True, that is another issue. The solution is this. The left needs to attack MSM just like the right does, and disassociate from the MSNBCs and CNNs. Make it be know to MAGA that we also despise the MSM.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Free healthcare would definitely be a game changer. Even when Republicans try to twist it as a bad thing, everyone except the most brainwashed of cultists are going to ignore them because they're no longer getting put in financial debt every time they get sick or injured.

It would also get rid of the talking points Republicans like to bring up, like the cost of eggs or gas. Yeah sorry we couldnt reduce those, but we saved families $700 a month on insurance premiums instead. Literally would silence a majority of Republican talking points.

Like Im sure theres a sizable amount of MAGA who vote based on woke issues, but would change their tune on a dime if the other party was in the business of saving them hundreds of dollars per month and eliminating large medical debt. They would fuck right off about trans women in sports if that was the case.

clyde_frog posted...

But unfortunately, Im afraid liberals havent learned this lesson and will continue dogging on Trump over relatively minor issues.

We have to attack Trump over issues that even right wingers can agree with.

Allowing fascists to exclusively control the terms of debate is one of the main facets of fascism.