Poll of the Day > I'm getting my tubes removed

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"I use birth control but I'm going to be a condescending **** to someone else who is choosing to use birth control"

make it make sense lol

did you guys forget you're responding to a troll account

anyway congrats jen

sledge hammer to the testacies is good way to go child free as well who needs the snip when you can get the free option

heck they did that in the mad max movie

DevilSummoner posted...

did you guys forget you're responding to a troll account

anyway congrats jen

I don't care, I like to back bad perspectives into a corner and see how they weasel out.

Yeah that's fair

DevilSummoner posted...

Yeah that's fair

Right now the perspective is a menopausal woman that will keep a child if she gets pregnant, apparently! So I'm having fun.

ItIsSoOver posted...

Shit I didnt even come here to talk about birth control to begin with. I was more going to remark on how strange its going to be in 22 years when the kids of all the maga women who are going into breeder overdrive come of age. Meanwhile of all the antimaga women who are opting to either abstain or sterilize themselves are going to make it so that while kids of one side boom, the other side wanes. REALLY hope I am not still living here at that point - even in the wintertime.

Demographics will switch that drastically when people that already don't want to have kids choose to make a decision that guarantees that they don't have children? Wow, that really lines up!

ItIsSoOver posted...

I mean yeah, I'd carry it in the incredibly rare event it happened. I'm not on IVF and am on birth control so the chance is exceedingly low, but you do know that, despite being rare, menopausal women can still give birth, right? Or is this just another case of a dude who knows nothing about women's health mansplaining women's health to me?

I asked a couple pretty simple questions and she actually started in with the whole "do you live under a rock?" schtick, so I just responded lmao. Besides that, Jen is condescension personified, and my attitude toward her has nothing to do with her admittedly extreme choice of birth control.

I'm simply surprised that someone that's mid-menopause would want to carry a child. Yes, I am aware of all the details you are sharing, that the chance is exceedingly low and rare. There are various other likelihoods that we could discuss too.

It's not exactly unbelievable to suggest that someone is out of touch (lives under a rock) for belittling someone for guaranteeing something (not having children) that they are already rather sure about. You're asking for negative responses with that attitude.

ItIsSoOver posted...

I thought women taking up the whole 4B protest was
no dating
no sex
no marriage
no kids

If that is already happening then how is it a protest? You'll have to pardon me if I took people at their word and assumed they meant this was going to change something.

The majority of people don't know nor care what 4B is. Every single woman I know is basing their decision on whether or not to have kids on their own life - not on some random movement that is a hot-button gossip issue on social media.

4B originated in South Korea in the 2010s. South Korea's birthrate went below replacement levels in 1983. The low birthrate in South Korea may have various causes and factors involved, but the existence of 4B is not one of them.

ItIsSoOver posted...

I never said I wanted to carry a child lmao. People can do things that they don't necessarily want to. I still take birth control for a lot of reasons, and that is one of them. Despite all of that, I recognize the possibility and am willing if it happened. It is a risk I knowingly take.

And homie, you aren't going to gain anything by applying a double standard here just because I'm not nice ;)

You do want to carry a child, should you become pregnant. Right? You said that. Great, you take the risk. Other people decide to do other things.

ItIsSoOver posted...

And its been coming to America since election night. Did you not know that? Have you been living under a rock?

Ah yes, I see the clear influence of 4B right here:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5c317501.png

Sure, it's coming to America if you get your information off of instagram/X/TikTok, absolutely.

I mean the government does want to force us to carry pregnancies starting in January so I'm not sure where the issue with me getting my tubes removed comes in

Is some birth control okay but not others? What are we arguing about here lol

ItIsSoOver posted...

I don't want to carry a child, but I will if it happens - regardless of what I want. I've been pretty clear about that.

the way you worded this makes it sound like you think this was some sort of really good dig but I have no idea what the fuck you are even trying to imply lmao

Right, and we can respect your choice. Would you like to respect the choices of others, or be snide and dismissive about them?

The data shows that birthrates dropped to their current level far before anyone knew what 4B is. 4B is a symptom, not a cause. Women are choosing not to have children for various personal reasons, not because of a trendy movement with 500-4,000 members.

Transistors are so much better.

ItIsSoOver posted...

I mean, aside from saying that tubial ligation is a fairly extreme form of birth control (it IS an invasive surgery, even if minorly so) I haven't said anything about the validity of any from of birth control. That discussion has been coming 100% from y'all. Its like you think I mean anything other than what I've said or something - but I don't.

And is there legislation in the works in Arizona thats going to start forcing women to get pregnant and carry the babies to term? That seems like it would be bigger news, and I havent heard anything about that.

What choices have I dismissed? And how exactly does that data show the impact of the 4b movement, or any of the other current hysterics going on in the US post election? It looks like it only goes up to 2024.

Behold, two statements contradicting one another!

How exactly does that data show the impact of the 4B Movement? Must've not read what I wrote - as we can see, the 4B movement is irrelevant to why birth rates are lower. Sure, you're right, this only goes up to 2024. You could be right and we'll see a massive influence from 4B, but I am betting that birth rates will maintain a similar rate to the current rate.

ItIsSoOver posted...

I mean, aside from saying that tubial ligation is a fairly extreme form of birth control

It's really not that extreme. When my mom did this for health reasons she was back to normal after like a week.

I haven't said anything about the validity of one form of birth control, but I have labelled it 'fairly extreme'

I guess having your appendix removed must be fuckin' death metal by this standard.

my mother definitely had two births that were a little more extreme than getting your tubes tied. I bid farewell to my former thought-to-be twin, who was in fact, a benign football-sized tumor.

That's a good point. Giving birth is WAY more invasive and destructive than getting your tubes removed.

ItIsSoOver posted...

I mean, aside from saying that tubial ligation is a fairly extreme form of birth control (it IS an invasive surgery, even if minorly so) I

It's no more invasive than the easy gall bladder removal I had.

ItIsSoOver posted...

And is there legislation in the works in Arizona thats going to start forcing women to get pregnant and carry the babies to term? That seems like it would be bigger news, and I havent heard anything about that.

It's not my job to educate you when you want to bury your head in the sand.

ItIsSoOver posted...

since when are those the only 2 options lmfao

calm the fucking hysterics yall

No you missed the point.

Why are you clutching pearls over how destructive and invasive getting tubes removed is, but not deciding to have a baby even though having a baby is way more invasive and destructive?

Also I guess according to schmen, no woman has ever died from pregnancy or childbirth. I wish I lived in that utopia.

It's way more medically and physically extreme to actually carry a pregnancy and give birth than it is to get a tubal ligation.

ItIsSoOver posted...

I didnt say more or less valid, but yo, it is invasive surgery. Not ridiculous to call that extreme or to say you should really think before you leap - which I'm sure Jen has. I am not, and have not judged anyone for that choice lmao. You really REALLY seem like you want me to say something I am not saying, and its just a touch cringey.

if you dont get an appendectomy and you need one, you die
If you dont get a tubial ligation and you want one, you dont die.
That's a really weird analogy to make, and again, whatever point youre implying is unclear.

You downplay how contradictory various things you say are - and then suggest that I leap to conclusions. Sure.

Wrong, you are not guaranteed to die from a burst appendix, it is simply a higher mortality rate. Mortality increases more likely once peritonitis sets in.

Would not tubal litigation be life-saving in various circumstances? You are aware that various women have various different risk factors when it comes to pregnancy...right? You want to lecture me on the reproductive system yet don't seem to be aware that pregnancy is life-threatening for some women? Got it.

They are both common surgeries. If you believe tubal ligation to be 'extreme' then you will inherently find many pregnancies, births and any surgery to be 'extreme', when they are simply commonplace.

You can look up planned travel bans, abortion bans and birth control ban proposals at your own leisure. You claim to be smart, so maybe it's time to also be independent?

ItIsSoOver posted...

Who is pearl clutching? Its an invasive procedure that bears thinking about before you go through with it. I would say you should put thought into having a baby too. Its a completely valid procedure and I have said that I think so multiple times in this topic, and I've also said I'm sure Jen's thought it through lmao. Who the fuck are you fighting right now, and why?

Not in words that clearly, so cheers to that!

I think it'd be more personable and normal if you simply ask someone what their thought process was, instead of popping in and casting doubt on the decision, as you initially did.

It's a conversation, not a fight. Although you came in with what would moreso be considered "fighting words", lol.

I don't want to educate you because it's a waste of time.

ItIsSoOver posted...

yeah, that'll show em lmao

Gonna be interesting times 22 years from now.

How is this not some random assumption with judgment? You really can't talk your way out of your intentions in this topic.

ItIsSoOver posted...

Who cast doubt on her decision? Seriously, quote the place where I did that lmao.

I politely asked a couple of questions about some extreme statements - seems reasonable as an outsider who does not pay a ton of attention to Arizona state legislation. I got told I must be living under a rock, and yall just got more and more angsty from there. This is very much a you problem.

I can click once and see your first post:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/22ae0600.png

Very polite, very question.

Also, if you were paying attention, there's been a bit of a precedent going on in regards to red states altering their laws regarding reproductive rights. Even with a superficial understanding of American politics, it doesn't seem too outside the realm of possibilities that other red states will push for a change in laws pertaining to reproductive rights.

ItIsSoOver posted...

And again, if a state was going to start forcing women to become pregnant and then forcing them to carry to term that would be pretty huge news, and I feel like I would have heard.

It's almost like it's not a fully literal statement and that you have to apply some degree of nuance to understand it. Weird.

VioletZer0 posted...

It's really not that extreme. When my mom did this for health reasons she was back to normal after like a week.

It's not extreme by surgical standards, but it is probably the most extreme form of birth control short of like traumatic castration or something (which isn't commonly practiced). Both vasectomies and tubals can be considered extreme because they're more or less permanent (every other method of birth control amounts to "I don't want to get pregnant while using this," not "I don't want to get pregnant ever"), and between the two, tubals are significantly more invasive (heck, an IUD is arguably more invasive than a vasectomy).

I don't know the medicals; what's the health difference between removal and tying?

Jen0125 posted...

You can look up planned travel bans, abortion bans and birth control ban proposals at your own leisure. You claim to be smart, so maybe it's time to also be independent?

Burden of proof is on you

Lokarin posted...

I don't know the medicals; what's the health difference between removal and tying?

When you remove something its not there anymore, but when you tie something its tied. So like if you tie your shoes theyre tied, but if you remove your shoelaces theyre not there anymore

MICHALECOLE posted...

When you remove something its not there anymore, but when you tie something its tied. So like if you tie your shoes theyre tied, but if you remove your shoelaces theyre not there anymore

:/

I meant, like, health-wise... not the physicality.

jon_davis posted...

Burden of proof is on you

Maybe when I'm trying to debate. I'm not.

Lokarin posted...

I don't know the medicals; what's the health difference between removal and tying?

For a tubal ligation, they cut through the tube and tie up both ends. As the name suggests, a removal removes a greater length of tube before tying up the other ends. I'm not fully familiar with the details, but I believe removal is less prone to failure (for pretty intuitive reasons).

The good thing is that politicians are corrupt as fuck, so the second they get serious about banning birth control the condom and pill corporations will just buy them off