Current Events > Trump surrounding himself in bullet-proof glass in rallies.

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Of course it can. Shootings still happen in countries with gun laws.

Gun control laws might not be able to stop all shootings, but the goal is to make it so that when a madman walks into a church or a school and kills dozens of people, it's a national tragedy, and not just "eh that's the American way". The rest of the world mocks us endlessly for this, and rightfully so, because we have done *nothing*.

You can't work at a fast food job without sitting down and talking with a manager and providing some references. Surely we can make purchasing a firearm at least as hard as that.

For jobs in which there is a concern to the public's safety, there is a vetting process that you have to go through. Of course it would be costly, but it'd be a worthwhile cost. If our police officers had to spend time vetting firearms purchases and making sure guns aren't getting into the hands of people with ill intent, then they'll have a lot fewer murders and suicides to investigate. This is evidenced by the fact that there are some states which already do this, and many countries such as France and Germany which have an active and vibrant gun culture yet nowhere near the number of shootings that we have.

I wonder if his bulletproof glass is as quality as everything else he invests in. Guy probably went to some back alley 'bulletproof glass' provider to save a buck.

You can't work at a fast food job without sitting down and talking with a manager and providing some references. Surely we can make purchasing a firearm at least as hard as that.

For jobs in which there is a concern to the public's safety, there is a vetting process that you have to go through. Of course it would be costly, but it'd be a worthwhile cost. If our police officers had to spend time vetting firearms purchases and making sure guns aren't getting into the hands of people with ill intent, then they'll have a lot fewer murders and suicides to investigate. This is evidenced by the fact that there are some states which already do this, and many countries such as France and Germany which have an active and vibrant gun culture yet nowhere near the number of shootings that we have.

Nothing says "Most popular President ever!" like having the need to be covered behind bulletproof glass.

I wasnt making an argument against gun control.

Then if everything was accurate and your background check came back clear, you may (depending on state) be able to complete your firearm purchase. Some states have a mandatory waiting period, and if anything came back questionable youre subject to a wait as well as further investigation (it is investigation at that point) occurs.

I dunno, Kennedy kind of invalidates this.

I get the hypocrisy of republicans refusing to pass gun control legislation, but im not gonna mock a political figure for putting up glass after an assassination attempt

Yeah. Bit of a different era but I get your point.

Main point of my comment was that it probably really stings Trump's ego that there are people out there prepared to shoot him given that his campaign (and self esteem) are built entirely on a cult of personality.

Don't mock a political figure for putting up glass after an assassination attempt, mock a political figure who told families grieving to "get over it" after a school shooting.

Trump needs to never be elected to anything again and should be in a jail cell.

I state that to say that despite my disdain for him, I don't fault him for this. Even someone of his caliber is probably capable of having some form of PTSD.

Steve Scalise was shot at by some deranged f*** and one of the first things he emphasized in his return to the House floor is that "gun control is not the answer". Well...then, tell me, what is?

This is one thing I wouldn't make fun of him for.

He's largely responsible for the absolutely FUCKED social climate we are currently in, don't see why not.

Why, it's mental health issues that lead to such things that we need to address.

But won't fund mental health care.
But won't create crisis response teams or hotlines.
But won't red flag people with dangerous mental health histories.
But won't make mental health care even accessible.

It's totally what needs to be addressed, though.

Yup. Mental care facilities need to be brought back asap

Why, it's mental health issues that lead to such things that we need to address.

But won't fund mental health care.
But won't create crisis response teams or hotlines.
But won't red flag people with dangerous mental health histories.
But won't make mental health care even accessible.

It's totally what needs to be addressed, though.

Ronald Reagan destroyed the mental healthcare system in the US.

https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/

https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here

Japan has gun control, didnt stop a man with a (homemade, iirc) shotgun from killing a former PM.

Not a bad idea, tbh. Just needs a lid and some extra-thick panes for soundproofing and the design would be perfect.

Yes, a gun crime happened there. In general though, their rate of gun crime is fuck all compared to the US.

Ronald Reagan destroyed the mental healthcare system in the US.

https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/

https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here

Why, it's mental health issues that lead to such things that we need to address.

But won't fund mental health care.
But won't create crisis response teams or hotlines.
But won't red flag people with dangerous mental health histories.
But won't make mental health care even accessible.

It's totally what needs to be addressed, though.

Ooomph, forgot to post the topic title.

Dont buy into this. Trump is tanking, hated, being mocked, and overall just losing. This seems like a clear attempt at sympathy and a reminder about the assassination attempt. When we all saw that picture of him fist pumping with blood on his head, many of us thought, oh no, its over But the Democrats bounced back and people forgot about the failed attempt. Now hes just trying to make people remember, because its the only thing thats really made him look good during this entire election season.

Gotta be honest, republicans are spin masters but I'm not sure how they can spin "he literally got shot at by his own party" into a win.

They'll spin it as "see it's the Democrats who want violence, the guy was paid by the Democrats and the deep state"

Which they've said already, to negligible results.

Plus, the media has already forgotten about it, the air has been completely let out of any positivity they could bring from it.

Gotta be honest, republicans are spin masters but I'm not sure how they can spin "he literally got shot at by his own party" into a win.

They don't, they're just denying the guy was actually a Republican and instead a liberal plant. I've also seen conspiracy theories going around that the CIA was behind it all.

True, but again it's to negligible results.

It's been a month since he was shot at and literally no one talks about it any more.

No one in the mainstream circuit. I literally had all ties with someone in real life cut over an argument resulting from all of the news about what really happened.

It's a good thing the mainstream is what really counts. For people like the one you mentioned, these conspiracies are all they have to hang on to.

UghI wish I could wholeheartedly believe that, but I cant. Before you even dispute it, think about this: how many people get their news from social media posts, memes, and online videos from content creators.

None of that is mainstream media, all of it is frequently infiltrated with disinformation, and yet it seems to be becoming more common as a news source than the actual news. I have no clue what percentage of people follow it, but remember that Harris is considered too liberal/progressive by around 40% of people questioned before the DNC even happened.

What MSM has given any indication that Harris is liberal/progressiveat all? But those people are getting their beliefs from somewhere.

Good point, but to be fair, actual news sources are no longer reliable (with very few exceptions). Content creators, who technically aren't real news, are closer to being reliable news nowadays (not counting grifters, of course).

Eh I don't blame him

Thats what the person Im no longer talking to says, as well. But hes voting for Trump. So who is the MSM for, and how do they stay so wealthy?

My guess? The rich who are making sure they put profit and their own agendas first and foremost, with fair and balanced news being a distant second. Those donations from the wealthy are what keeps them afloat, since they lost their integrity. Problem with that, is that it's short term profits, and they'll lose in the end. The fact that smaller content creators posing as news (who would be considered freelance journalists back in the day) are getting more attention is already a sign of the MSMs downfall.

I agree with your assessment of the rich, but I think youre overestimating donations and underestimating revenue.

I know its not saying MSM is doing great! overall, but looking at their revenue the results are still substantial.
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/cable-news/

Who do you think wrecked that?

Always been attributed to Reagan, right?

Following up, it seems receipts were already peasant proving that. Good.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1826332670470795397