Current Events > The start of American vigilante justice

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-shows-nypd-drag-illegal-immigrant-rape-suspect-hiding-under-car-after-citizens-arrest

Before reading: "Oh, no, that's wrong, they should definitely let the police handle these things"
After reading: "He was like that when the citizens found him, officer."

Keep vigilantes in super hero stories. It doesn't work in real life

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If you search the piece of shit's name pretty much every major news source in the entire world is reporting on it including Canada and the UK.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-credit-new-yorkers-suspects-arrest-rape-13-111260074
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgll4rm4315o
https://nationalpost.com/news/police-credit-new-yorkers-for-suspects-arrest-in-the-rape-of-a-13-year-old-girl

Remember when the guardians angels beat the shit out of a minority live on Fox News?

Ok I looked at the abc link. Was expecting him to be much more beat up. I guess this wasn't as bad I was assuming

ClayGuida posted...

Remember when the guardians angels beat the shit out of a minority live on Fox News?

And later the victim was proven innocent from what I heard

Zikten posted...

Keep vigilantes in super hero stories. It doesn't work in real life

when the right person gets actually punished? it probably worked

ClayGuida posted...

Remember when the guardians angels beat the shit out of a minority live on Fox News?

Rumps America

Seems like they used minimal force to restrain him until the police got there. Not like they kicked the shit out of him while they waited.

America has a great history of it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

Hospy posted...

America has a great history of it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

A storied history of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

Needs more costumes

These aren't vigilantes. The community had a good idea of who the suspect was because of information that people came forward with, and it's not illegal to detain someone in a citizen's arrest until the police arrive. This is absolutely perfectly fine, and in fact a good thing.

ClayGuida posted...

A storied history of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

That wasnt vigilante justice it was just murder

Gritty posted...

That wasnt vigilante justice it was just murder

Vigilante justice can also be murder.

If you're comparing this situation to Emmett Till then you need to get a fucking grip on reality.

ModernPost posted...

If you're comparing this situation to Emmett Till then you need to get a fucking grip on reality.

If you're not understanding that vigilante justice is wrong, you're a sociopath.

ClayGuida posted...

Remember when the guardians angels beat the shit out of a minority live on Fox News?

Just for Sean Hannity, real special like.

Nukazie posted...

when the right person gets actually punished? it probably worked

That's not for the mob to decide.

ClayGuida posted...

If you're not understanding that vigilante justice is wrong, you're a sociopath.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

I remember hearing about a "vigilante" group that dressed like superheros. They didnr beat people up though. Main dudes logic was if a cop saw a guy dressed like super hero making a scene with some random dude they are gonna come check it out. Cause that's basically what he'd do he'd approached them and harass them about whatever crime they are doing. I don't think he went after anything major where he was far more likely to get hurt

Sufferedphoenix posted...

I remember hearing about a "vigilante" group that dressed like superheros. They didnr beat people up though. Main dudes logic was if a cop saw a guy dressed like super hero making a scene with some random dude they are gonna come check it out. Cause that's basically what he'd do he'd approached them and harass them about whatever crime they are doing. I don't think he went after anything major where he was far more likely to get hurt

Was this in Seattle? Cause there used to be a group of Seattle super heroes i think. There was at least 1. I think he had friends. I think they all retired though. Unless I'm mistaken I think the main guy got into legal trouble later

Zikten posted...

Was this in Seattle? Cause there used to be a group of Seattle super heroes i think. There was at least 1. I think he had friends. I think they all retired though. Unless I'm mistaken I think the main guy got into legal trouble later

I do believe so I definitely know it was west coast

I figured out the name of the guy I was thinking of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Jones#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DPhoenix_Jones_%28born_Benjamin_John%2Csuperhero_and_mixed_martial_artist.?wprov=sfla1

ModernPost posted...

There is something seriously wrong with you.

Na, I'm right here, you're wrong. Wanting people dead before they even have a trial is pretty psychotic. Go move to Russia if that's your thing. In America we have the veiled illusion of laws and justice.

ModernPost posted...

There is something seriously wrong with you.

Just take the L here, dude. You're either woefully misunderstanding the point or trolling

Obama

ClayGuida posted...

Na, I'm right here, you're wrong. Wanting people dead before they even have a trial is pretty psychotic. Go move to Russia if that's your thing. In America we have the veiled illusion of laws and justice.

If you see a person you reasonably suspect to be a child rapist walking around in your neighborhood and you let him go free, then you are evil. Period. These people should be praised for what they did. Not only is it not a crime to detain someone for the police, it's the only just thing to do. I'm actually shocked at the Emmitt Till comparison, I didn't think you were this depraved. I guess I was wrong.

GATTJT posted...

Just take the L here, dude. You're either woefully misunderstanding the point or trolling

What L? Can you explain why you think this is, in any way, an example of vigilantism?

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No, it's saying that vigilante justice to you is assault or murder to someone else.

There's no such thing as vigilante justice without violence.

While I don't have an issue with the person being apprehended, I DO have an issue with, whats next? Where does it go from here? It's a slippery slope

Zikten posted...

Was this in Seattle? Cause there used to be a group of Seattle super heroes i think. There was at least 1. I think he had friends. I think they all retired though. Unless I'm mistaken I think the main guy got into legal trouble later

Phoenix Jones got arrested for selling ecstasy to an undercover.

I just don't know how anyone can argue in good faith that a group of people can be vigilantes without even breaking the law. That seems like a crucial element to me.

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I know how bad it is for public defenders, and the effects that has on defendants... but I have to believe that system of Due Process and jury trials is at least in place to, if not ensure, then at least attempt something resembling justice better than what a cop in the street approximates.

So they caught a rapist, subdued him and waited for the cops to show up? I don't see anything wrong with it.

eggcorn posted...

So they caught a rapist, subdued him and waited for the cops to show up? I don't see anything wrong with it.

He was shirtless and bloody, and the citizens fought with him, endangering themselves and others around them.

You don't see anything wrong with that violence, or the potential consequences of taking the law into their own hands?

(Also, not enough people called out how Fox and conservatives still don't know what an actual Good Samaritan is or what that story means.)

ModernPost posted...

I just don't know how anyone can argue in good faith that a group of people can be vigilantes without even breaking the law. That seems like a crucial element to me.

I feel in some cases where what the criminal did was really bad and personal to thr "vigilante" that said vigilante should only get a slap on the wrist provided he didnt kill or severely injure them. Provided the criminal is found guilty.

Like say I'm a judge and I get a case of a father who beat the breaks off someone for raping his daughter and the rapist is found guilty I would go with the lowest sentencing allowed. So there still would be a punishment. If it where up to me but personally I'd be OK with the punishment if it where me in a position like I mentioned.

It would be rougher on me though cause I'd loose my career. I almost sacrificed it once over my step dad assaulting my mom who was on a walker due to a recent stroke. I was coming in hot ready to German suplex his ass but she managed to get a throat punch in which dropped him. My only contribution was me yelling which distracted him long enough she was able to do that.

This dude could've had a weapon on him and killed both of the would-be good Samaritans. Their little ambush could've gone disastrously wrong if the suspect had any sort of backup. This isn't how community policing initiatives work. Community policing doesn't mean "literally anyone just does whatever they want."

According to the NYPD, they were already close to catching this guy as they "saturated the area with detectives and distributed pictures and a video of the suspect on social media", per triblive. This little stunt went ok this time. That's not how it's gonna go down every time.

Now I remember what I wanted to say. Is civilians arrest viginilatism? Cause you try to arrest a criminal and you ain't a cop 9 times out of 10 it's gonna be a fight.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Is civilians arrest viginilatism?

They set out to ambush him late at night as he was leaving a convenience store, based on one of the participants supposedly noticing his tattoo while he was shirtless. The tattoo was circulated on social media, its design sketched out according to the victim's testimony.

Considering victim testimony can be unreliable, that even witness testimony can be unreliable...considering that the NYPD did not instruct people to detain the suspect but rather call in a tip to their hotline...yes. That is vigilantism.

Kimberly posted...

They set out to ambush him late at night as he was leaving a convenience store, based on one of the participants supposedly noticing his tattoo while he was shirtless. The tattoo was circulated on social media, its design sketched out according to the victim's testimony.

Considering victim testimony can be unreliable, that even witness testimony can be unreliable...considering that the NYPD did not instruct people to detain the suspect but rather call in a tip to their hotline...yes. That is vigilantism.

I wasn't talking about this case specifically I meant in general

I was more leaning towards someone sees a crime in progress and intervenes

Zikten posted...

Keep vigilantes in super hero stories. It doesn't work in real life

Yes it does.