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__starsnostars
05/20/24 2:44:49 PM
#201:


This means patrons must also be at least 21, right?

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LoZguy709
05/20/24 3:00:23 PM
#202:


Let's keep ignoring shit like this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80770420?page=2

And instead start raging because 18-20 y/o's can't strip in this one state. Also, what a weak ass argument people are putting toward on behalf of supposed poor struggling girls trying to get themselves through college. You realize male college attendance is the declining statistic? And that stripping isn't nearly as profitable for 18-20 y/o men? Please quit acting like you really care about women of that age range. This law is gender neutral on its face and I highly doubt it was intended to put young women at a relative disadvantage than their male peers.

I'm not saying I'm cool with this direction, but it's far less concerning than many other things the state is doing, and less concerning than society's (read: people like this board's regular posters) fixation on issues like this over issues that actually threaten the livelihood of ALL young people down the road.
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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 3:18:32 PM
#203:


LoZguy709 posted...
Let's keep ignoring shit like this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80770420?page=2

And instead start raging because 18-20 y/o's can't strip in this one state. Also, what a weak ass argument people are putting toward on behalf of supposed poor struggling girls trying to get themselves through college. You realize male college attendance is the declining statistic? And that stripping isn't nearly as profitable for 18-20 y/o men? Please quit acting like you really care about women of that age range. This law is gender neutral on its face and I highly doubt it was intended to put young women at a relative disadvantage than their male peers.

I'm not saying I'm cool with this direction, but it's far less concerning than many other things the state is doing, and less concerning than society's (read: people like this board's regular posters) fixation on issues like this over issues that actually threaten the livelihood of ALL young people down the road.

Florida caring more about this and passing all these useless at best, outright harmful at worst social bills instead of how awful their state is in important issues is exactly the problem that's leading to that. The reason women are getting mentioned is because women make up the bulk of workers here but since you're that MRA guy, yes male workers are hurt by this too. I edited my posts to be gender-neutral after.

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Kaiser1one
05/20/24 3:19:18 PM
#204:


I mean, while the law may be gender neutral, we all know women are the primary target. Republicans are always waging a war on women guised as helping others or helping the children.

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LoZguy709
05/20/24 3:27:08 PM
#205:


GiftedACIII posted...
Florida caring more about this and passing all these useless at best, outright harmful at worst social bills instead of how awful their state is in important issues is exactly the problem that's leading to that. The reason women are getting mentioned is because women make up the bulk of workers here but since you're that MRA guy, yes male workers are hurt by this too. I edited my posts to be gender-neutral after.

We're not talking about Florida's lack of accountability in addressing the true roots of their issue. There being over 200 posts about this topic exemplifies how society cares more about bullshit like strip joints than the root issues Florida should really be worrying about. Cause Florida's gonna Florida and that's a way bigger problem just than this bill here. Young people have a shit ton of problems to look forward to and letting them do sex work isn't doing them a damn bit of help toward those greater issues.

Fuck the MRA but also people that only want to bring up women's issues when it fits their lifestyles (cause hooray strip clubs with 18 y/o's!) are very suspect to me.
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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 3:42:42 PM
#206:


LoZguy709 posted...
We're not talking about Florida's lack of accountability in addressing the true roots of their issue. There being over 200 posts about this topic exemplifies how society cares more about bullshit like strip joints than the root issues Florida should really be worrying about. Cause Florida's gonna Florida and that's a way bigger problem just than this bill here. Young people have a shit ton of problems to look forward to and letting them do sex work isn't doing them a damn bit of help toward those greater issues.

Fuck the MRA but also people that only want to bring up women's issues when it fits their lifestyles (cause hooray strip clubs with 18 y/o's!) are very suspect to me.

There being 200 posts is due to arguments with people who support the bill and there are less posts in those other threads because everyone here is unanimously against it. There might be something to say about society with how controversial subjects get more talk than things people are unanimous about. Maybe your instigating an argument by trying to deflect everything onto Democrats in that thread can help push that thread's numbers too. If you can keep from being suspended that is.
It's pretty rich you're accusing people of only caring about women's issues here though since most of the people against this bill are vocal feminists who advocate for women's rights and against toxic masculinity all the time including me, while you're someone that defends incels and misogynists and opposes feminists in those topics.


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Toonstrack
05/20/24 3:45:39 PM
#207:


Turbam posted...
I guess I'm not entirely upset about this.


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PowerMan5000000
05/20/24 3:52:56 PM
#208:


Should be a win

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LoZguy709
05/20/24 3:56:56 PM
#209:


GiftedACIII posted...
There being 200 posts is due to arguments with people who support the bill and there are less posts in those other threads because everyone here is unanimously against it. There might be something to say about society with how controversial subjects get more talk than things people are unanimous about. Maybe your instigating an argument by trying to deflect everything onto Democrats in that thread can help push that thread's numbers too. If you can keep from being suspended that is.
It's pretty rich you're accusing people of only caring about women's issues here though since most of the people against this bill are vocal feminists who advocate for women's rights and against toxic masculinity all the time including me, while you're someone that defends incels and misogynists and opposes feminists in those topics.

Yeah, I did start a bit of a shit storm in that topic and I'm glad it's bringing more attention to the issue even though people in the topic continue to be offended that I dare to attack Democrats on prioritizing other issues over climate change.

When the fuck have I ever defended incels and mysognists? Quit trying to characterize me based on absolutely no evidence. I just think it's laughable that of course this board cares more about Republicans going after strip clubs than the multitude of many, many worse things they're doing to undermine women's ability to be independently financially stable, while we bicker over trivial bullshit.
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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 4:07:43 PM
#210:


LoZguy709 posted...
Yeah, I did start a bit of a shit storm in that topic and I'm glad it's bringing more attention to the issue even though people in the topic continue to be offended that I dare to attack Democrats on prioritizing other issues over climate change.

When the fuck have I ever defended incels and mysognists? Quit trying to characterize me based on absolutely no evidence. I just think it's laughable that of course this board cares more about Republicans going after strip clubs than the multitude of many, many worse things they're doing to undermine women's ability to be independently financially stable, while we bicker over trivial bullshit.

You're Giblet_Enjoyer. I'm not going to bother wasting my time looking for screenshots you'll surely try to downplay and make excuses for. You're already showing yourself as a right wing sea lion in that other thread (and the two users above you are also frequent right wingers). This board is filled with topics showcasing how awful Republicans are and many topics get to 500 about them that aren't related to sex or identity issues. It's the other way around. Some self-proclaimed Democrats such as yourself only care about things you personally take seriously or go with the flow you don't really care about but bring out their conservatism, intolerance, and desire to control for things they personally disapprove of, sex-related things being a common one.


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LoZguy709
05/20/24 4:21:18 PM
#211:


GiftedACIII posted...
You're Giblet_Enjoyer. I'm not going to bother wasting my time looking for screenshots you'll surely try to downplay and make excuses for. You're already showing yourself as a right wing sea lion in that other thread (and the two users above you are also frequent right wingers). This board is filled with topics showcasing how awful Republicans are and many topics get to 500 about them that aren't related to sex or identity issues. It's the other way around. Some self-proclaimed Democrats such as yourself only care about things you personally take seriously or go with the flow you don't really care about but bring out their conservatism, intolerance, and desire to control for things they personally disapprove of, sex-related things being a common one.

Oh ok, thanks for letting me know your basis for mischaracterizing me because I now know it's based on some other poster's views that I would have very little, if any, knowledge about. I don't agree with this bill but I also think it's one of the least damaging political decisions Florida is making for itself and the rest of the country right now. I also wish older Americans cared enough about younger Americans so that stripping wasn't such a commonplace need to just get by for so many. I fear an economy where young people need to resort to sex work just to get by because old people are the ones with the money and don't want to let go of it so easily.
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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 4:35:04 PM
#212:


LoZguy709 posted...
Oh ok, thanks for letting me know your basis for mischaracterizing me because I now know it's based on some other poster's views that I would have very little, if any, knowledge about. I don't agree with this bill but I also think it's one of the least damaging political decisions Florida is making for itself and the rest of the country right now. I also wish older Americans cared enough about younger Americans so that stripping wasn't such a commonplace need to just get by for so many. I fear an economy where young people need to resort to sex work just to get by because old people are the ones with the money and don't want to let go of it so easily.

No, it was on this account you were doing that. In any case, it doesn't seem like you're going to last long with what you're up to anyway. I don't remember if it was before or after the closure when giblet got kicked but hope it was after too or you just don't get the invite back in.

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LoZguy709
05/20/24 4:37:18 PM
#213:


GiftedACIII posted...
No, it was on this account you were doing that. In any case, it doesn't seem like you're going to last long with what you're up to anyway. I don't remember if it was before or after the closure when giblet got kicked but hope it was after too or you just don't get the invite back in.

Despite all the antagonizing from people like you, I haven't gotten modded yet for these posts. I'm really trying to keep it civil, believe it or not. Just because you're making it very difficult, it doesn't mean I'm not trying.
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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 5:00:48 PM
#214:


LoZguy709 posted...
Despite all the antagonizing from people like you, I haven't gotten modded yet for these posts. I'm really trying to keep it civil, believe it or not. Just because you're making it very difficult, it doesn't mean I'm not trying.

It's only been an hour or so. But that's why I said if you can keep yourself from being suspended maybe you can spread more awareness to that topic and gets it posts higher than this one. Might want to stop replying to me first though lol.

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ClayGuida
05/20/24 5:05:24 PM
#215:


DeSantis just passed a law that says you can't work at an ice cream shop unless you're 40, single, have no kids, and drive a brown van.

Chuds - I don't disagree

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Thermador446
05/20/24 5:06:23 PM
#216:


I remember going to a 18+ strip club in Florida when I was under 21.

Florida law allowed the 18+ club to be bottomless as well as topless, but the 21+ required strippers to wear bottoms


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thronedfire2
05/20/24 5:08:52 PM
#217:


Thermador446 posted...
I remember going to a 18+ strip club in Florida when I was under 21.

Florida law allowed the 18+ club to be bottomless as well as topless, but the 21+ required strippers to wear bottoms

the 18+ one probably didn't serve alcohol and the 21+ did

it's one of those weird laws, some states don't allow full nudity of alcohol is served

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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 5:12:29 PM
#218:


ClayGuida posted...
DeSantis just passed a law that says you can't work at an ice cream shop unless you're 40, single, have no kids, and drive a brown van.

Chuds - I don't disagree

And the thing is he's not going to vet and regulate the institutions more anyway so 18-20 or even underage workers are still going to happen. It's just going to make it more risky to be law-abiding and allows the shady institutions to exploit them more.

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LoZguy709
05/20/24 5:34:01 PM
#219:


GiftedACIII posted...
It's only been an hour or so. But that's why I said if you can keep yourself from being suspended maybe you can spread more awareness to that topic and gets it posts higher than this one. Might want to stop replying to me first though lol.

Ok, understood. I don't care to continue with any unnecessary hostility in the first place. It's frustrating when I think the wrong issues are taking our attention away from even worse shit Republicans are doing behind our backs so that's what got me posting here to begin with.
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Deej
05/20/24 5:37:21 PM
#220:


LoZguy709 posted...
Ok, understood. I don't care to continue with any unnecessary hostility in the first place. It's frustrating when I think the wrong issues are taking our attention away from even worse shit Republicans are doing behind our backs so that's what got me posting here to begin with.
People can pay attention to multiple things at once, I think

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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 5:39:13 PM
#221:


LoZguy709 posted...
Ok, understood. I don't care to continue with any unnecessary hostility in the first place. It's frustrating when I think the wrong issues are taking our attention away from even worse shit Republicans are doing behind our backs so that's what got me posting here to begin with.

. Keep doing what you're doing in that other topic. I'm sure it helps a ton.

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LoZguy709
05/20/24 5:45:35 PM
#222:


GiftedACIII posted...
. Keep doing what you're doing in that other topic. I'm sure it helps a ton.

Haha not if you ask the other posters of that topic obviously, but just having the dialogue going is necessary to keep peoples' attention where it needs to be or else it's a very easy issue to ignore in face of other issues that appear to be more urgently pressing at a particular time.

Deej posted...
People can pay attention to multiple things at once, I think

Less and less so. The (mis)information age has its drawbacks.
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Kradek
05/20/24 5:47:00 PM
#223:


thronedfire2 posted...
the 18+ one probably didn't serve alcohol and the 21+ did

it's one of those weird laws, some states don't allow full nudity of alcohol is served

That is indeed weird as fuck.

You'd think full nudity would drive people to prefer the locations which serve alcohol.

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TraurigAberWahr
05/20/24 5:50:10 PM
#224:


LoZguy709 posted...
Ok, understood. I don't care to continue with any unnecessary hostility in the first place. It's frustrating when I think the wrong issues are taking our attention away from even worse shit Republicans are doing behind our backs so that's what got me posting here to begin with.

I mean, you're the one bringing in unnecessary hostility by acting as if something you're supposedly against is silly and a bad thing to care about. I just made a topic about scientists expecting major disruptions and global warming if governments don't act after the previous one with a vague title purged and I'm doing the same to my topic too. That doesn't mean this stupidity shouldn't be called out either. I highly doubt these issues are taking our attention away from things as big as climate change either. It's stuff like the wars and especially the economy which is the main reason the environment is being neglected, no, destroyed, that's on the top of people's minds. The average person isn't really thinking about what's happening with strippers. But right-wingers do like to act as if sex and porn are what's distracting society though...
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GiftedACIII
05/20/24 5:55:14 PM
#225:


LoZguy709 posted...
Haha not if you ask the other posters of that topic obviously, but just having the dialogue going is necessary to keep peoples' attention where it needs to be or else it's a very easy issue to ignore in face of other issues that appear to be more urgently pressing at a particular time.

Less and less so. The (mis)information age has its drawbacks.
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LoZguy709
05/20/24 5:59:23 PM
#226:


TraurigAberWahr posted...
I mean, you're the one bringing in unnecessary hostility by acting as if something you're supposedly against is silly and a bad thing to care about. I just made a topic about scientists expecting major disruptions and global warming if governments don't act after the previous one with a vague title purged and I'm doing the same to my topic too. That doesn't mean this stupidity shouldn't be called out either. I highly doubt these issues are taking our attention away from things as big as climate change either. It's stuff like the wars and especially the economy which is the main reason the environment is being neglected, no, destroyed, that's on the top of people's minds. The average person isn't really thinking about what's happening with strippers. But right-wingers do like to act as if sex and porn are what's distracting society though...

I'm not denying having brought the controversy up in the first place, but seeing as I've well exhausted my point here that Florida's recent environmental policies are a bigger threat to young Floridians than not being able to strip until 21, I don't see how further hostility helps.

Also, topics about sex are always going to get more attention so there's naturally going to be some struggle when its not an issue that grabs peoples' attention to the extent needed.
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TraurigAberWahr
05/20/24 6:05:28 PM
#227:


LoZguy709 posted...
I'm not denying having brought the controversy up in the first place, but seeing as I've well exhausted my point here that Florida's recent environmental policies are a bigger threat to young Floridians than not being able to strip until 21, I don't see how further hostility helps.

Also, topics about sex are always going to get more attention so there's naturally going to be some struggle when its not an issue that grabs peoples' attention to the extent needed.

No, not really. I think you are just personally noticing them more.
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Enclave
05/22/24 2:44:05 PM
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Explaining and understanding why Fandom is making decisions they're making is not endorsing those reasons. Do you understand the difference between understanding the reasoning behind why a corporation is doing a thing and agreeing with it? Do you not want to understand the why of things? Or do you just want to be irrationally outraged?

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I straight up said previously that what will get Sony to change their mind on the PSN requirement in Helldivers was Steam giving out refunds, Steam started giving out refunds and oh look Sony backed off but only on Helldivers 2. Let's take a look at Ghost of Tsushima, oh look at that, PSN requirement for online is there, it's not going away.

Again, this is not me endorsing a requirement for PSN, this is me saying that the account requirement battle was lost a long time ago, I'd much rather we didn't need a million fucking accounts but that's the world we live in now because people decided a long time ago that they were fine with it.

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Because not allowing 18 year olds to strip isn't that big of a deal, there's SO much worse happening in Florida and this is the thing you want to focus on? I get you may want to live in a state of perpetual outrage but holy shit learn to pick your battles, 18 year olds not being allowed to strip in seedy clubs is so fucking low on my priority list.

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Literal clown take.

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ROB45
05/22/24 2:47:18 PM
#230:


Wait, you mean that americans could be strippers before they can drink alcohol? The fuck.
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Kradek
05/22/24 2:48:12 PM
#231:


ROB45 posted...
Wait, you mean that americans could be strippers before they can drink alcohol? The fuck.

Still can in most of the country.

They can also act in porn at 18 but no longer strip in FL.

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Kaiser1one
05/22/24 3:13:29 PM
#232:


ROB45 posted...
Wait, you mean that americans could be strippers before they can drink alcohol? The fuck.
sex and female body; bad and sinful. Violence/shooting people; good!
A tale as old as time in America. Just look at Fandom.

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LonelyStoner
05/22/24 3:55:08 PM
#233:


ClayGuida posted...
DeSantis just passed a law that says you can't work at an ice cream shop unless you're 40, single, have no kids, and drive a brown van.

Chuds - I don't disagree
I take it you actually read my last post.

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Enclave
05/22/24 9:31:16 PM
#235:


I had a whole thing written out but those last 2 paragraphs? No, fuck that shit, not worth it. Absolutely insanity. Suggesting I'm anti-trans or a fucking Nazi, holy shit something is wrong with you.

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ClayGuida
05/22/24 9:49:06 PM
#237:


Georgia doing something like this would turn it bright blue.

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LonelyStoner
05/22/24 10:00:09 PM
#238:


Yeah, hes not going to apologize or come to an agreement.

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WesternMedia
05/22/24 10:30:19 PM
#239:


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Dude went on a trumper conspiracy theory about how Sony didn't require LISA to make changes for alcohol and drug use, but that the LISA devs were making it up to gain attention. He's a reactionary.

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Sun_Xiao
05/23/24 9:12:39 PM
#240:


darkace77450 posted...
Since 2021, seven states have enacted laws lowering the age to serve alcohol.
In 2021, New Mexico and Ohio lowered the age to serve alcohol from 19 to 18, and West Virginia lowered the age from 18 to 16. Last year, Kentucky lowered the age to serve alcohol from 20 to 18; Alabama lowered the age from 19 to 18; and Michigan lowered the age from 18 to 17.

The most recent state to pass a law easing the restrictions for teens to handle alcohol is Iowa, where 16-year-olds are now allowed to serve and sell alcohol. Iowas state Legislature lobbying records show that the Iowa Restaurant Association, the state affiliation of the NRA, was in favor of the bill.

But not Florida.
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Sayoria
05/23/24 9:14:59 PM
#241:


To 21? This might get DeSantis to lose the Republican vote next election cycle.

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