Current Events > The Death Penalty, what's your stance?

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What's your take?

It's bad, imo

Second and third option. It's expensive, innocent people get executed, it doesn't act as a deterrent...and it's wrong.

Support the idea of death as a punishment but the death penalty is extremely inefficient as it currently is.

In favor. Criminals guilty of the worst crimes dont deserve to live a full life in opinion and deserve the harshest of punishment there is.

There are people who deserve to die, but nobody should be empowered to deliver it, least of all the state.

Pro. ('-' )

If capital punishment can't be done constitutionally anymore, we shouldn't be doing it. Nobody wants to supply the drugs, alternative cocktails are inhumane, and even when we try better things like inert gas, we still fuck it up.

The government shouldn't have the power to kill it's citizens.

If you maliciously take someone else's life, I don't think there is any other punishment that's appropriate.

Completely against it

Other: defendant chooses life in prison or death penalty. I find life in prison more morally abhorrent than execution personally. This option also solves the issue of innocent people being executed.

PMarth2002 posted...

Other: defendant chooses life in prison or death penalty.

Why just life in prison? What about lower sentences?

Last option. I'm 100% against it. What if the person is actually innocent?

I'm mostly against it, unless it's an active shooter type situation, like that asshole who shot up a church then got caught, then got taken to mcdonalds, then got taken to jail.

If you've 100% done it and there's zero questions, just get it over with there.

There's no reason for the Synagogue shooter, or Stoneman Douglas (though that's a different thing), or Dylan Roof.

No reason to waste tax payer money on that shit. You murdered dozens of people, you're no longer useful to this society, bye. Instead they siphon away millions upon millions of tax dollars for an open and shut case, sit on death row for decades, and then finally get executed when they're like 85 and look like Charles Manson on his worst day.

So yea, unless it's situations like that, I'm completely against the death penalty.

In favor but also think it needs to be something reserved for those that are both 100% guilty to the T and has done something so fucked up that there is no means of reforming them. Like ultimate evil levels of fucked.

Abolish the death penalty.

some people have to go and not be kept and fed then released

I think the whole prison system needs to be revised here in America. It is complete and total shit right now. Let's address that, first.

Undecided, but leaning towards Life without possibility of parole instead of Death Penalty.

Do I think there are people that are bad enough that deserve to be put to death? Yes, yes I do.

but if any innocent people have even a sliver of a chance to be put to death with the death penalty, then I think it shouldnt be allowed.

ToteAll posted...

Why just life in prison? What about lower sentences?

I'm not sure why lower sentences are relevant here. Death penalty/life in prison are basically the same thing, your life is over, so I'm in favor of letting inmates choose their punishment at that level. If its not one or the other, they get whatever years they'd be sentenced to. I suppose you could allow people who don't get life in sentences to choose to be executed if they want but I feel like there's not going to be many people who'd go for that.

I'm okay with it for crimes like genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace. But as an American stuck with the two party system if I have to vote Republican to keep the death penalty then the death penalty has to go.

TheOtherMike posted...

Second and third option. It's expensive, innocent people get executed, it doesn't act as a deterrent...and it's wrong.

This.

Against. If there's a chance to prove someone's innocence the inmate should not die before they have a chance to prove themselves. For a lot of these criminals facing the death penalty, death is a release not a punishment.

Never for anyone.

Super Hitler can die in a maximum security prison if it means prison reform and not killing innocent people.

Oh and if you're against the death penalty because it risks executing an innocent person then you can't be in favor of releasing mass murders who apparently have reformed who could go out and kill more innocent people.

ForsakenHermit posted...

Oh and if you're against the death penalty because it risks executing an innocent person then you can't be in favor of releasing mass murders who apparently have reformed who could go out and kill more innocent people.

Care to cite the statistics of that happening though?

From what I recall is the number is so ridiculously low. While the number of innocent people being executed is much higher than you'd expect it to be seeing as how few people we actually execute in this country.

ForsakenHermit posted...

Oh and if you're against the death penalty because it risks executing an innocent person then you can't be in favor of releasing mass murders who apparently have reformed who could go out and kill more innocent people.

Wow, those two things are not similar at all

ClayGuida posted...

Care to cite the statistics of that happening though?

From what I recall is the number is so ridiculously low. While the number of innocent people being executed is much higher than you'd expect it to be seeing as how few people we actually execute in this country.

It's more pointing out the hypocrisy of those who think that 'rehabilitated' mass murders should be released and that no crime is too severe to require automatic life confinement all while claiming the death penalty is wrong because of human error.

If someone is committing mass murder they are definitely spending the rest of their life in prison. The people being release from prison due to murder are usually people are accidentally killed someone in an accident, in self defense, or committed murder as minor.

This is my hot take.

I do not believe that anyone should spend the rest of their life in prison due to an accident and the person is extremely remorseful

ForsakenHermit posted...

It's more pointing out the hypocrisy of those who think that 'rehabilitated' mass murders should be released and that no crime is too severe to require automatic life confinement all while claiming the death penalty is wrong because of human error.

Those are two completely different arguments, my brother. Not wanting innocent people put to death and letting out rehabilitated murders are two completely different conversations

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completely fuckin different its insane

Im against it.

Its not that there arent people who deserve to die for their crimes. There are.

Its that the state shouldnt wield that kind of power over unarmed prisoners.

PMarth2002 posted...

I'm not sure why lower sentences are relevant here.

Well let me explain.

Someone who goes in at 40 and gets 30 years might not want to do that.

Some who does in at 40 and gets 90 years, which is not a life sentence, will effectively die in prision.

Do you understand why it's relevant now?

Does FH think mass murderers will get like 10 years with the possibility of parole if we abolish the death penalty? And that they'd get parole by pinky promising to not murder anymore?

If the inmate is actually getting the support they need to reform and invigorate back into society then they can return to be a contributing member :)

this is my hot take

if you purposely commit murder you do not deserve the right to have your loved ones visit you or contact you. Your victim's family can never see their loved one ever again so why should your daughter get to visit you?

MICHALECOLE posted...

Those are two completely different arguments, my brother. Not wanting innocent people put to death and letting out rehabilitated murders are two completely different conversations

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completely fuckin different its insane

They both involve innocent people potentially dying due to human error in the justice system. They aren't anywhere near as different as you want them to be.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Does FH think mass murderers will get like 10 years with the possibility of parole if we abolish the death penalty? And that they'd get parole by pinky promising to not murder anymore?

No, he is making a bad faith argument trying to connect two things that arent even close to being similar

ForsakenHermit posted...

They both involve innocent people potentially dying due to human error in the justice system. They aren't anywhere near as different as you want them to be.

If you dont want the death penalty because innocent people may be put to death then you dont think anybody should drive a car because innocent people may die

Some people need to stop bringing waffles into the pancakes discussion.

I can be against the death penalty and against the release of inmates that have committed horrible crimes.

My heart says no death penalty!!!!!

No one deserves to die regardless of how terribly evil they are.

Should soldiers in combat only be using non-lethal tactics to deal with enemy combatants?

ForsakenHermit posted...

It's more pointing out the hypocrisy of those who think that 'rehabilitated' mass murders should be released and that no crime is too severe to require automatic life confinement all while claiming the death penalty is wrong because of human error.

That's not a good hypocrisy example. Actively killing an innocent person and not restraining a person who might kill an innocent person later are not the same.

The better example of hypocrisy would be those who are very concerned about repeat offenders but actively put up roadblocks towards stopping first time offenders. The FBI not being forced to regularly purge their background check records would help identify people amassing guns like the Vegas shooter. A registry would help the police track gun traffickers. Better gun storage would've stop a lot of teen mass shooters. Confiscation of guns when a person commits domestic abuse has repeatedly state after state dropped the homicide rate yet half the states don't bother doing that.

MICHALECOLE posted...

If you dont want the death penalty because innocent people may be put to death then you dont think anybody should drive a car because innocent people may die

You think I'm arguing in bad faith and you make a strawman argument like that? What an . You're the one not arguing in good faith and life is too short for me to spend it arguing with a blatant troll like you.

ForsakenHermit posted...

You think I'm arguing in bad faith and you make a strawman argument like that? What an . You're the one not arguing in good faith and life is too short for me to spend it arguing with a blatant troll like you.

You cant be posting that sincerely. You just cant.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

No one deserves to die regardless of how terribly evil they are.

What does "deserve" even mean?