Current Events > The police and admins are responsible for the violence, not the protesters

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Just making that clear for everybody

Yes thats usually the case with these sorts of events.

Like almost always.

Haven't the protesters been preventing students from walking into certain parts of the campus?

I feel like they're not supposed to do that.

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Now the counter protesters are the ones yelling anti-semitic slurs? What??? (Unless you mean anti-Muslim by anti-semitic and not anti-Jewish, which I know some people do use it to mean that way. But usually anti-semitic is taken to mean anti-Jewish.)

There were counter protesters who were also giving genocidal threats and being violent, no doubt. Those people are horrible. But there has also allegedly been a LOT of anti-semitism towards Jewish students at the school, whether it is the protesters or not I don't know, but when this is brought up people deny it...It is a major part of the story though, is that Jewish students are not feeling safe, and not just because people support Palestine or criticize Israel (that is not anti-semitic and well within people's rights), but because anti-semitism is rising and incidents are happening often simultaneously with this protest. This is a big part of why Biden made the speech he did, but people in these spaces don't talk about it....

Please people read this article from the Columbia paper, a rabbi advising jewish students to return home because it was not safe. Many examples of anti-semitism...the link is too long so I needed a shortener but it has a lot of examples and is worth looking at:
https://shorturl.at/vAOU8

There are videos on social media that is also very concerning. Maybe some are fake, but all of them?

Here is an example. Tell me if this is fake...I HOPE it is....Allegedly this is "Tai Lee, a member of Writers Against the War on Gaza (WAWOG)"

https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909

In the speech she says things like ""Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." and "On October 7, the Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke through the walls of their open-air prison, shattering the illusion of the invincibility of their occupiers". The crowd then cheers. WTF?

Id want to think this person doesn't exist and it's fake, but more people on Twitter backing up that this is her making a speech at Columbia: https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1783320666369917180

Like there ARE people on this side actively cheering for Hamas.

Anyway, Im sure these people are extremists. But they obviously contribute to the climate and denying they exist and are piggy-backing off of this does not help the pro-palestinian cause....And making a narrative of all the protesters being totally innocent...Im sure MOST of them are but don't ignore and make a narrative that they are all completely innocent and none did anything incendiary at all....Those kinds of fears of having anti-semitism ignored is precisely part of why Jewish students feel unsafe.

The last thing people want to do is have the pro-palestine protests genuine cause come off as feueled by anti-semitism so it is best to acknowledge these bad apples and distance from them, not ignore they exist. That does start making Jewish people feel bad when they see anti-semitics being ignored and not called out with the same fervor. So let's all agree these people suck, the people being racist on both sides of this conflict.

(I now realize the third tweet is from the same as the first - If this person does not exist and this is all propaganda let me know because I would love to know that it is! Can anybody confirm one way or the other if this video is doctored or what or if this person was made up for propaganda? Her name does come up in past articles as part of a palestinian support group at the school but Im unsure if this is her or what! It is very hard to know what to believe online now)

(Update: Allegedly it is this person: https://twitter.com/w0kesolanas)

You don't think the people that broke into a building in the middle of the night, barricaded it, and then insisted they were refusing to leave the space they were occupying even under police order have any kind of responsibility for the violence?

You are more responsible for the violence than they are.

SaikyoStyle posted...

You are more responsible for the violence than they are.

A message board poster?

HHH, many of the student and faculty protestors are Jewish. I heard cops violently arrested a woman who is the head of Jewish studies at UCLA, and charged her with Anti Semitism

Does that make sense?

I want to help get this point across and also repeat here that this enabling of violence is why protestors choose airports and other commuter arteries.

HylianFox posted...

Just making that clear for everybody

Not true!

The counter protestors are also responsible.

If you're on private property, and when asked to leave you refuse, you're at least somewhat responsible for whatever comes next.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Haven't the protesters been preventing students from walking into certain parts of the campus?

I feel like they're not supposed to do that.

So doing the whole protesting in traffic?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Haven't the protesters been preventing students from walking into certain parts of the campus?

I feel like they're not supposed to do that.

No, you've been duped. The encampment was in an area where demonstrations happen all the time, the people they were blocking were agitators trying to get into the encampment to fuck shit up. It happened the week before when agitators got in, started assaulting the students and trying to steal their tents. Non-protesting students could easily walk around the encampment to get to class or wherever they needed. And I'm talking about UCLA because I was there and it seems most of the viral videos that are being cut online to push the "blocked from class" narrative seem to come from the same zionist agitators that I saw when I was there.

Agitators should not be allowed in the encampment and anyone who thinks otherwise just wants to see violence break out.

Akuryu posted...

If you're on private property, and when asked to leave you refuse, you're at least somewhat responsible for whatever comes next.

UCLA is a public school, the encampent was on public space, and the students pay tuition there.

I found an article about a former chair of jewish studies at Dartmouth getting the benefit of law enforcement.

She has been banned from campus for trying to protect students.

https://www.jta.org/2024/05/02/united-states/90-pro-palestinian-protesters-arrested-at-dartmouth-college-that-drew-rare-kudos-for-its-oct-7-response

most of the protesters don't even go to the school.
Thry are the problem

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Haven't the protesters been preventing students from walking into certain parts of the campus?

I feel like they're not supposed to do that.

I havent seen any of this, at least not any that didnt look staged as fuck.

CommonStar posted...

UCLA is a public school, the encampent was on public space, and the students pay tuition there.

Im not making an argument against the protestors, but not every university with protests is public.

Columbia for example is not a public university so that argument doesnt work in this case.

LeadPipeCinche posted...

most of the protesters don't even go to the school.
Thry are the problem

You are wrong. Most of the protestors were students and faculty. Only a small amount were outsiders. Even when Eric Adams was pushed on it for the Columbia arrests, he said there were only 2 non students that he knew of.

A majority of the counter-protestors were outsiders however.

https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1785851984211247155

How the fuck HHH getting warned and still posting here?
Usually getting warned locked you at 5 karma, effectively locking you out of CE.

CommonStar posted...

You are wrong. Most of the protestors were students and faculty. Only a small amount were outsiders. Even when Eric Adams was pushed on it for the Columbia arrests, he said there were only 2 non students that he knew of.

A majority of the counter-protestors were outsiders however.

Ive been reading reports of higher numbers than that. Apparently 13 of the 44 people that barricaded themselves in a Columbia hall were unaffiliated. Im welcome to being wrong if that can be proven though.

I support the protests, but there are definitely a lot of outsiders even if its not most of the protestors.

They are responsible for escalating it beyond measure, but they aren't responsible for the violence. They need to broker peace and order between the two protesting sides. The protestors need to moderate themselves, or exterior forces will do that for them. Doesn't help if you've got plants and bad actors who are working to undermine the message. Man, being a political activist is a scary thing.

RndmNmber1 posted...

How the fuck HHH getting warned and still posting here?
Usually getting warned locked you at 5 karma, effectively locking you out of CE.

We're a private board nowadays, the user level requirements shifted.

Of course, posting dumb shit while Warned is a very dangerous game but I can't find myself caring about the safety of their account.

Yes, for sure it is the kids and faculty in t-shirts and jeans doing the violence and not the fucking cop cowards in riot gear, assault rifles, tear gas, and batons acting like they are defending the capital against domestic terrorists....Oh wait..

This has of course been brought to you by the word sarcasm.

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Im legitimately confused. Most people mean anti-semitic to mean "hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people". I have heard some point out that you can technically put other people in the 'semitic' box as well, so it should refer to more than just Jewish people. Do you mean that they are using anti-Palestinian rhetoric which is thus anti-semitic? In that case I agree, and they are horrible for that.

Most people though use it as a term to mean anti-Jewish. If you mean the (most likely Jewish) counter-protesters are using anti-Jewish slurs I am very confused.

And yeah, I am trying to be more careful with my posts...I obviously do not want to be banned or suspended. Which is why I try to be clear:

Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitic
MOST protesters are not anti-semitic
The anti-semitic events happening might not even be people affiliated with the protests, just piggy-backing off of the sentiment, or bad actors bringing down the whole lot.
There is no excuse for violence, in any case.

I just wanted some acknowledgement of the anti-semitic events happening that have contributed to the environment of hostility, and is one of the reasons why Biden made the speech he did.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Columbia for example is not a public university so that argument doesnt work in this case.

It doesn't work for the public universities either. Not in totality. Public spaces still have rules that can restrict access.

For instance, did you know that national parks and military bases are "public"? A space being public doesn't give people the right to vandalize it and setup indefinite encampments while attempting to restrict access to other citizens.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Agitators should not be allowed in the encampment and anyone who thinks otherwise just wants to see violence break out.

So here's the question.

What gives one student the right to tell another student that they can't enter part of the campus they're both paying tuition to access?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

So here's the question.

What gives one student the right to tell another student that they can't enter part of the campus they're both paying tuition to access?

Were the agitators students?

Certainly sounds like they weren't.

Anyone who thinks otherwise are either dumb as hell, or is a blind, Vote Blue No Matter Who/Blue MAGA voter.

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thats the internet anarchist dude lmao

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He's also chosen to a brave Internet Anarchist so ya....

DrizztLink posted...

Were the agitators students?

I can't speak for all of them, but I've seen video of at least one guy showing his student ID and trying to walk into the area only to be body-blocked by a couple of other students.

Students cannot tell other students where they're allowed to be. To do so is arrogance personified. You don't suddenly matter more than somebody else just because you're protesting.

Typical Blue MAGA posters who have proven my point. Keep it up, it's entertaining.

Shinobi120 posted...

Typical Blue MAGA posters who have proven my point. Keep it up, it's entertaining.

Most powerful internet anarchist

Shinobi120 posted...

Typical Blue MAGA posters who have proven my point. Keep it up, it's entertaining.

7,573 karma!? Someone here is even more terminally online than the rest of us.

Ah...the ever-present reminder why this fucking board is horseshit.

Please, someone, revoke my goddamn CE access.

You're free to stop posting anytime.

SHUT THE HELL UP.

Solid_Sonic posted...

Please, someone, revoke my goddamn CE access.

Goodbye.

Solid_Sonic posted...

SHUT THE HELL UP.

No.

Solid_Sonic posted...

Ah...the ever-present reminder why this fucking board is horseshit.

Please, someone, revoke my goddamn CE access.

SHUT THE HELL UP.

are you being forced to come here? If you dont like it then dont come here. I dont understand, its not like you have to post here if you hate it so much

Sorry.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I can't speak for all of them, but I've seen video of at least one guy showing his student ID and trying to walk into the area only to be body-blocked by a couple of other students.

Students cannot tell other students where they're allowed to be. To do so is arrogance personified. You don't suddenly matter more than somebody else just because you're protesting.

That dude you're talking about is a known agitator and he was filming himself trying to get into the space for his TikTok. Regardless of if he's a student or not he was there specifically to cause problems.