Current Events > Teen who beat TA for confiscating Switch sues school

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The mother tried to keep him out of public school and her insurance ran out. It is the system that failed here but the mother also should have made clear how dangerous her son was to the school.

There should have been a big strong cop going with him everywhere or someone who could protect others from him when he got violent.

Mental issues or not this was a big strong violent guy who had zero control over his rage so someone who could physically handle him when he went off was needed.

Full_Pokedex posted...

If you're unhinged enough that you'd try to murder someone over your video game you probably shouldn't be out in the general public.

I was about to say this. Disabilities or no, if you beat someone half to death over a toy, you don't belong in society.

You either need to be in prison, or a full time care facility. For the safety of yourself, and everyone else.

DipDipDiver posted...

Like it obviously doesn't absolve him in any way of the crime, but it's clear the school failed in a number of ways here. It just looks bad because the perpetrator filed this suit and not the victim.

In the suit, Depas lawyers claim that Matanzas High School employees knew of his disabilities, triggers, and problem behaviors, along with his history of wrongdoings, including spitting, shoving an aide, intimidating school staff, and shouting at his teachers. It also highlights that because Depa is a large black male student, he is subjected to misperceptions and racism.

School staff aren't super human and this is the kind of behavior they're dealing with. And this isn't like 20 years ago where parents were supportive of teachers and were active in disciplining their children at home so that they were cooperative in school for teachers. The lawyer is demanding the world here.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The mother tried to keep him out of public school and her insurance ran out. It is the system that failed here but the mother also should have made clear how dangerous her son was to the school.

There should have been a big strong cop going with him everywhere or someone who could protect others from him when he got violent.

Mental issues or not this was a big strong violent guy who had zero control over his rage so someone who could physically handle him when he went off was needed.

We need state funded full time mental care facilities, full stop. I'm pretty sure Reagan fucked this up, iirc.

There are people that simply cannot function in society, and people shouldn't have to worry about getting beaten to death by them.

Sad_Face posted...

School staff aren't super human and this is the kind of behavior they're dealing with. And this isn't like 20 years ago where parents were supportive of teachers and were active in disciplining their children at home so that they were cooperative in school for teachers. The lawyer is demanding the world here.

You're confusing serious mental issues with "it's just discipline bro". The school never should've had him in the first place, and it's a major failing of the system that he wasn't put into schools that have the training and resources to deal with him.

Sad_Face posted...

School staff aren't super human and this is the kind of behavior they're dealing with. And this isn't like 20 years ago where parents were supportive of teachers and were active in disciplining their children at home so that they were cooperative in school for teachers. The lawyer is demanding the world here.

Sure looks that way when you cut the relevant bits before and after what you quoted.

Full_Pokedex posted...

If you're unhinged enough that you'd try to murder someone over your video game you probably shouldn't be out in the general public.

The irony

rexcrk posted...

The irony

What irony

I'm irony

pretzelcoatl posted...

We need state funded full time mental care facilities, full stop. I'm pretty sure Reagan fucked this up, iirc.

There are people that simply cannot function in society, and people shouldn't have to worry about getting beaten to death by them.

even if this kid was in a mental health facility he'd have to be pumped full of drugs just to be controlled, apparently. nurses aren't any better equipped to deal with this violence than teachers are.

thronedfire2 posted...

even if this kid was in a mental health facility he'd have to be pumped full of drugs just to be controlled, apparently. nurses aren't any better equipped to deal with this violence than teachers are.

Or it sounds like you could just not touch his Nintendo Switch and things would most likely not escalate.

thronedfire2 posted...

even if this kid was in a mental health facility he'd have to be pumped full of drugs just to be controlled, apparently. nurses aren't any better equipped to deal with this violence than teachers are.

There are staffed trained in such wards specifically to handle these scenarios. Generally a burly security guard with extra steps. There's never enough of them, though.

thronedfire2 posted...

even if this kid was in a mental health facility he'd have to be pumped full of drugs just to be controlled, apparently. nurses aren't any better equipped to deal with this violence than teachers are.

You're wrong. Most mental health facilities have orderlies who are there to restrain patients if needed. They are equipped to deal with violence. And the cohort of people that are in danger are a small, trained group of people who see him every day, and have intimate knowledge of his mental health status.

I fail to see an issue, I feel like you're being obtuse on purpose.

divot1338 posted...

Or it sounds like you could just not touch his Nintendo Switch and things would most likely not escalate.

Hell of a stupid gamble to make. "Just don't touch his switch and everything will be fine, nothing else sets him off" needs a lot more context to justify.

pretzelcoatl posted...

What irony

Not aware of Duncan?

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The mother tried to keep him out of public school and her insurance ran out. It is the system that failed here but the mother also should have made clear how dangerous her son was to the school.

There should have been a big strong cop going with him everywhere or someone who could protect others from him when he got violent.

Mental issues or not this was a big strong violent guy who had zero control over his rage so someone who could physically handle him when he went off was needed.

It sounds like the school did fail him by not implementing proper protocols given his disability. If the school couldn't implement the proper protocols for whatever reason, then that school wasn't the appropriate place for his education. The system failed him.

pretzelcoatl posted...

Most mental health facilities have orderlies who are there to restrain patients if needed. They are equipped to deal with violence. And the cohort of people that are in danger are a small, trained group of people who see him every day, and have intimate knowledge of his mental health status.

I fail to see an issue, I feel like you're being obtuse on purpose.

well it's good to know you don't actually know anything about healthcare, especially mental healthcare

healthcare workers get assaulted all the time, especially in mental health facilities, and because of attitudes like this they're expected to just deal with it.

rexcrk posted...

Not aware of Duncan?

No, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

thronedfire2 posted...

well it's good to know you don't actually know anything about healthcare, especially mental healthcare

healthcare workers get assaulted all the time, especially in mental health facilities, and because of attitudes like this they're expected to just deal with it.

Whatever you say. Let's have these people walking around.

Guide posted...

Hell of a stupid gamble to make. "Just don't touch his switch and everything will be fine, nothing else sets him off" needs a lot more context to justify.

The hospital staff seemed to think that was a psychological trigger for him.

thronedfire2 posted...

well it's good to know you don't actually know anything about healthcare, especially mental healthcare

healthcare workers get assaulted all the time, especially in mental health facilities, and because of attitudes like this they're expected to just deal with it.

You're not making sense. You said nurses aren't equipped for this, and you're right, they're not. That's what the orderlies are for. The problem is, as always, underfunding leading to horrible understaffing and lack of oversight.

Guide posted...

Hell of a stupid gamble to make. "Just don't touch his switch and everything will be fine, nothing else sets him off" needs a lot more context to justify.

there are concrete allegations in this lawsuit

there was a plan in place for this student, because they had special needs, and it was not followed

Guide posted...

You're confusing serious mental issues with "it's just discipline bro". The school never should've had him in the first place, and it's a major failing of the system that he wasn't put into schools that have the training and resources to deal with him.

I take it we're missing a chunk of the story from the article. Who knew he wasn't a fit for a the school and when did they find out? And did the school recognize they couldn't handle him?

Guide posted...

You're not making sense. You said nurses aren't equipped for this, and you're right, they're not. That's what the orderlies are for. The problem is, as always, underfunding leading to horrible understaffing and lack of oversight.

you think the minimum wage orderlies in mental health facilities are properly equipped to deal with a violent 6 foot 270 pound person?

spoiler alert: they're not.

thronedfire2 posted...

you think the minimum wage orderlies in mental health facilities are properly equipped to deal with a violent 6 foot 270 pound person?

spoiler alert: they're not.

On what earth do you think orderlies make 7.50 an hour.

Reality check time

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80e96ff1.jpg

pretzelcoatl posted...

On what earth do you think orderlies make 7.50 an hour.

Reality check time

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80e96ff1.jpg

and now post the pay for orderlies in mental health institutes.

that's the average for every hospital.

and even still, $26/hr isn't enough to deal the the constant threat of being assaulted and nearly dying

oh and that's also only divided into 40 hours/week...how many of them are working 50-60 hours?

and I also live in the good part of earth where min wage is $15/hr, lol

Mental problem or not the kid sounds like a piece of shit but he definitely doesn't need to go to jail. Maybe at school he's the top dog but at jail kid would just get abused and he wouldn't even know why. They need to stop trying to force him to go to school for everybody else's safety. At most he needs to go to a mental ward.

deoxxys posted...

Mental problem or not the kid sounds like a piece of shit but he definitely doesn't need to go to jail. Maybe at school he's the top dog but at jail kid would just get abused and he wouldn't even know why. They need to stop trying to force him to go to school for everybody else's safety. At most he needs to go to a mental ward.

I agree 100% with this. He needs mental health treatment in a controlled setting. Prison would be just another incorrect placement for him.

TheGoldenEel posted...

there are concrete allegations in this lawsuit

there was a plan in place for this student, because they had special needs, and it was not followed

Was the plan to let him do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted

Bloodychess posted...

Was the plan to let him do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted

idk is your plan to not read an article but then comment on it anyway?

divot1338 posted...

Or it sounds like you could just not touch his Nintendo Switch and things would most likely not escalate.

This is a shit take

Mr_Karate_II posted...

This is a shit take

yeah why is he even there if hes just going to play a switch all day

thats just school funded daycare

Mr_Karate_II posted...

This is a shit take

It was literally the argument made in the lawsuit. And understood by the staff at the school apparently.

But hey why read an article?

Why is he at school on a fucking Nintendo all day.
If that's the case have the kid stay home and play Nintendo. School isn't a daycare.

That is bloody hilarious. That this suit even allowed to proceed and wasn't thrown out immediately is insane.

invertedlegdrop posted...

Id like to see the TA stand in front of the attacker when he is in a cell or restraints, pull out attackers Switch and manually delete all his saves right in front of him...

I would like to see her bring a sledgehammer and break it to pieces, then throw it in his face.

FFTHEWINNER posted...

That is bloody hilarious. That this lawsuit was even allowed to proceed and wasn't thrown out immediately is insane.

Look at the replies in this topic

"The guy who nearly murdered her is the real victim here!"

America is a lost cause

Bloodychess posted...

Look at the replies in this topic

"The guy who nearly murdered her is the real victim here!"

America is a lost cause

I Saw them. This was my reaction:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9492f650.jpg

Any money he wins should be giving to the TA.

Sad_Face posted...

School staff aren't super human and this is the kind of behavior they're dealing with. And this isn't like 20 years ago where parents were supportive of teachers and were active in disciplining their children at home so that they were cooperative in school for teachers. The lawyer is demanding the world here.

How do you discipline disabilities?

FFTHEWINNER posted...

I would like to see her bring a sledgehammer and break it to pieces, then throw it in his face.

Good luck with her trying to lift a sledgehammer.

I bet the school staff sit through frequent meetings where theyre told standardized test scores of their high-needs students arent sufficiently increasing from year to year.