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OudeGeuze 04/27/24 12:21:47 AM #1:	Or is it in its own pocket universe? --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:980116561] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Or is it in its own pocket universe? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJKirby 04/27/24 12:22:07 AM #2:	It's canon to the games, set after all of them --- Not changing this signature until Beyond Good and Evil 2 is in my hand. August 25th, 2010. <cite>SSJKirby posted [p:980116567] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>It's canon to the games, set after all of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nekrodev 04/27/24 12:22:35 AM #3:	I think there's probably a bit of both - given the way the games seem to interact w/ each other from my experience. --- "To be, or not to be - there is no such question. To be! But to be what...?" FFBE friend ID - 432.640.287 - nekrodev <cite>nekrodev posted [p:980116572] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>I think there's probably a bit of both - given the way the games seem to interact w/ each other from my experience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Senta 04/27/24 12:23:29 AM #4:	It's completely, 100% canon, as confirmed by the creators. Takes place after the games. --- http://tinyurl.com/b95dwtg <cite>Senta posted [p:980116581] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>It's completely, 100% canon, as confirmed by the creators. Takes place after the games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 04/27/24 12:24:09 AM #5:	SSJKirby posted... It's canon to the games, set after all of them This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk. --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:980116585] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>SSJKirby posted... </cite><quote>It's canon to the games, set after all of them</quote>This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 12:24:50 AM #6:	yes. there is some shenanigans going on in regards to the timeline of certain events in the show compared to the timeline of New Vegas, but the showrunners and Todd Howard have all gone on record to say that all the games are canon, even New Vegas, and so whatever the explanation is, New Vegas still fits in there somehow. it's not really clear exactly how though, but presumably that will be cleared up in season 2. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980116593] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>yes. there is some shenanigans going on in regards to the timeline of certain events in the show compared to the timeline of New Vegas, but the showrunners and Todd Howard have all gone on record to say that all the games are canon, even New Vegas, and so whatever the explanation is, New Vegas still fits in there somehow. it's not really clear exactly how though, but presumably that will be cleared up in season 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Senta 04/27/24 12:25:40 AM #7:	MorbidFaithless posted... This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk. It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order. --- http://tinyurl.com/b95dwtg <cite>Senta posted [p:980116599] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>MorbidFaithless posted... </cite><quote>This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk.</quote>It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 12:29:58 AM #8:	Senta posted... It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order. no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980116642] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Senta posted... </cite><quote>It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order.</quote>no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nekrodev 04/27/24 12:30:54 AM #9:	DoesntMatter posted... no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. this has recent Warhammer vibes --- "To be, or not to be - there is no such question. To be! But to be what...?" FFBE friend ID - 432.640.287 - nekrodev <cite>nekrodev posted [p:980116657] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games.</quote>this has recent Warhammer vibes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 04/27/24 12:36:14 AM #10:	Senta posted... It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order. I'm only on episode 6 but ~~the brotherhood should not be nearly as large as it is in the desert, by the end of New Vegas the BoS was all but wiped out on the West Coast~~ --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:980116706] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Senta posted... </cite><quote>It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order.</quote>I'm only on episode 6 but the brotherhood should not be nearly as large as it is in the desert, by the end of New Vegas the BoS was all but wiped out on the West Coast </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 04/27/24 12:36:17 AM #11:	I think there are only two things that really contradict the games, but I haven't played NV myself, so maybe I've missed something. One is that there's a date of a major event which contradicts the events of NV pretty hard, but it's not the first time a series has fucked up a timeline by accident and I think there's some possible ambiguity as to what happened in that year. The other is that ghouls just don't work that way. In the show, ~~they all need a special drug to keep them from going feral~~. In the games, they can go for centuries and be fine, it's just luck of the draw. --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:980116707] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>I think there are only two things that really contradict the games, but I haven't played NV myself, so maybe I've missed something.One is that there's a date of a major event which contradicts the events of NV pretty hard, but it's not the first time a series has fucked up a timeline by accident and I think there's some possible ambiguity as to what happened in that year.The other is that ghouls just don't work that way. In the show, they all need a special drug to keep them from going feral. In the games, they can go for centuries and be fine, it's just luck of the draw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJOLNRVII 04/27/24 12:43:38 AM #12:	So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it? --- https://abload.de/img/aonp7v.gif <cite>MJOLNRVII posted [p:980116763] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 12:44:34 AM #13:	DoesntMatter posted... no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. They are just little things, nothing super lore breaking honestly. It is blown way out of proportion. This is the closest a videogame show has come to feeling like the actual game and huge amounts lf care was put into it. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980116773] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games.</quote>They are just little things, nothing super lore breaking honestly. It is blown way out of proportion. This is the closest a videogame show has come to feeling like the actual game and huge amounts lf care was put into it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 12:47:16 AM #14:	OudeGeuze posted... I'm only on episode 6 but ~~the brotherhood should not be nearly as large as it is in the desert, by the end of New Vegas the BoS was all but wiped out on the West Coast~~ ~~They are from the east cost, the giant ship is the same one in fallout 4.~~ --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980116804] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>OudeGeuze posted... </cite><quote>I'm only on episode 6 but the brotherhood should not be nearly as large as it is in the desert, by the end of New Vegas the BoS was all but wiped out on the West Coast</quote>They are from the east cost, the giant ship is the same one in fallout 4. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 04/27/24 12:52:02 AM #15:	DoesntMatter posted... no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. No, they explained it. Y'all just jumped to conclusions after misinterpreting a timeline on a chalk board. MJOLNRVII posted... So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it? Obsidian didn't work on the show. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:980116845] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games.</quote>No, they explained it. Y'all just jumped to conclusions after misinterpreting a timeline on a chalk board.MJOLNRVII posted... </cite><quote>So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it?</quote>Obsidian didn't work on the show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 04/27/24 12:55:39 AM #16:	Tora_Sami posted... ~~They are from the east cost, the giant ship is the same one in fallout 4.~~ ~~So the Brotherhood ending of 4 is canon? That's some bullshit.~~ --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:980116873] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>They are from the east cost, the giant ship is the same one in fallout 4.</quote>So the Brotherhood ending of 4 is canon? That's some bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 12:58:52 AM #17:	MJOLNRVII posted... So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it? Very small things that may have a explanation ~~it's fully possible that the NCR jaut moved the capital to the boneyard and kept the shady sands name~~. Nothing really major and I don't see any new Vegas contradictions really ~~except maybe the shot wasn't fully completed and they will add more to the city like the airport.~~ --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980116909] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>MJOLNRVII posted... </cite><quote>So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it?</quote>Very small things that may have a explanation it's fully possible that the NCR jaut moved the capital to the boneyard and kept the shady sands name. Nothing really major and I don't see any new Vegas contradictions really except maybe the shot wasn't fully completed and they will add more to the city like the airport. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 1:01:24 AM #18:	UnholyMudcrab posted... ~~So the Brotherhood ending of 4 is canon? That's some bullshit.~~ Seems like it, maybe fallout 5 or season 2 will explain more. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980116930] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>So the Brotherhood ending of 4 is canon? That's some bullshit.</quote>Seems like it, maybe fallout 5 or season 2 will explain more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 1:10:11 AM #19:	Tora_Sami posted... They are just little things, nothing super lore breaking honestly. the things i'm talking about are the things that are mentioned in post #11, and they are not little things. the timeline of events surrounding NV and the show is a pretty big matter. and the second thing is super lore breaking, because it contradicts the way that all ghoul settlements and ghoul characters have been portrayed up until now. there has never been a ghoul character portrayed as having to take a drug to stave off going feral. that just has never been a thing. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980117015] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>They are just little things, nothing super lore breaking honestly.</quote>the things i'm talking about are the things that are mentioned in post #11, and they are not little things. the timeline of events surrounding NV and the show is a pretty big matter. and the second thing is super lore breaking, because it contradicts the way that all ghoul settlements and ghoul characters have been portrayed up until now. there has never been a ghoul character portrayed as having to take a drug to stave off going feral. that just has never been a thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 04/27/24 1:12:55 AM #20:	CountCorvinus posted... Obsidian didn't work on the show. Nobody actually thinks Bethesda FO games are better than New Vegas --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:980117045] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>Obsidian didn't work on the show.</quote>Nobody actually thinks Bethesda FO games are better than New Vegas </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 1:12:56 AM #21:	DoesntMatter posted... the things i'm talking about are the things that are mentioned in post #11, and they are not little things. the timeline of events surrounding NV and the show is a pretty big matter. and the second thing is super lore breaking, because it contradicts the way that all ghoul settlements and ghoul characters have been portrayed up until now. there has never been a ghoul character portrayed as having to take a drug to stave off going feral. that just has never been a thing. What exactly contradicts new Vegas though? It has been 15 years since then. A lot could have happened. Well that is the only real thing that I found annoying as well. But it's one detail that they could literally retcon or add into season 2 if they want. I'm going for a retcon or an explanation for why it is needed now. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980117046] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>the things i'm talking about are the things that are mentioned in post #11, and they are not little things. the timeline of events surrounding NV and the show is a pretty big matter. and the second thing is super lore breaking, because it contradicts the way that all ghoul settlements and ghoul characters have been portrayed up until now. there has never been a ghoul character portrayed as having to take a drug to stave off going feral. that just has never been a thing.</quote>What exactly contradicts new Vegas though? It has been 15 years since then. A lot could have happened.Well that is the only real thing that I found annoying as well. But it's one detail that they could literally retcon or add into season 2 if they want. I'm going for a retcon or an explanation for why it is needed now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 04/27/24 1:17:10 AM #22:	OudeGeuze posted... Nobody actually thinks Bethesda FO games are better than New Vegas Fallout 76 > New Vegas. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:980117085] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>OudeGeuze posted... </cite><quote>Nobody actually thinks Bethesda FO games are better than New Vegas</quote>Fallout 76 > New Vegas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 1:21:57 AM #23:	CountCorvinus posted... No, they explained it. Y'all just jumped to conclusions after misinterpreting a timeline on a chalk board. no, nobody "explained" it. Todd Howard in an interview said that "everything that happened in previous games, including New Vegas, happened [in the show]", and that the bomb falls [in Shady Sands] just after the events of New Vegas", and when asked if "the Fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean the nuke", he said "right". so, none of that explains what the "Fall of Shady Sands" is supposed to refer to if it doesn't refer to the very obvious possibility, and it doesn't explain how Shady Sands could have "fell" about 4 years prior to the events of New Vegas and absolutely nobody in the Mojave Wasteland had heard about it. CountCorvinus posted... Obsidian didn't work on the show. and yeah, i can't believe i really just wasted all that time and effort typing up that rebuttal just for there to be this hot take --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980117131] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>No, they explained it. Y'all just jumped to conclusions after misinterpreting a timeline on a chalk board.</quote>no, nobody "explained" it. Todd Howard in an interview said that "everything that happened in previous games, including New Vegas, happened [in the show]", and that the bomb falls [in Shady Sands] just after the events of New Vegas", and when asked if "the Fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean the nuke", he said "right". so, none of that explains what the "Fall of Shady Sands" is supposed to refer to if it doesn't refer to the very obvious possibility, and it doesn't explain how Shady Sands could have "fell" about 4 years prior to the events of New Vegas and absolutely nobody in the Mojave Wasteland had heard about it.CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>Obsidian didn't work on the show.</quote>and yeah, i can't believe i really just wasted all that time and effort typing up that rebuttal just for there to be this hot take </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 04/27/24 1:32:33 AM #24:	DoesntMatter posted... and yeah, i can't believe i really just wasted all that time and effort typing up that rebuttal just for there to be this hot take Yeah, What you gonna do about it? Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way. Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer. New Vegas was a great game, but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:980117228] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>and yeah, i can't believe i really just wasted all that time and effort typing up that rebuttal just for there to be this hot take</quote>Yeah, What you gonna do about it?Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way.Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer.New Vegas was a great game, but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 1:38:30 AM #25:	CountCorvinus posted... Yeah, What you gonna do about it? Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way. Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer. New Vegas was a great game, sure but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas. lol, nice dodge --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980117291] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, What you gonna do about it?Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way.Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer.New Vegas was a great game, sure but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas.</quote>lol, nice dodge </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 04/27/24 1:52:05 AM #26:	DoesntMatter posted... lol, nice dodge Dodging what? You want me to comment on the part of your post where you acknowledge Todd Howard literally explaining the timeline on the board, but you still having a problem with it because the show didn't explicitly ~~detail the fall of Shady Sands~~ in the few seconds the chalkboard was shown on screen? Is that what you wanted me to reply to? Edit: spoilers --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:980117383] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>lol, nice dodge</quote>Dodging what?You want me to comment on the part of your post where you acknowledge Todd Howard literally explaining the timeline on the board, but you still having a problem with it because the show didn't explicitly detail the fall of Shady Sands in the few seconds the chalkboard was shown on screen? Is that what you wanted me to reply to?Edit: spoilers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 2:00:09 AM #27:	DoesntMatter posted... no, nobody "explained" it. Todd Howard in an interview said that "everything that happened in previous games, including New Vegas, happened [in the show]", and that the bomb falls [in Shady Sands] just after the events of New Vegas", and when asked if "the Fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean the nuke", he said "right". so, none of that explains what the "Fall of Shady Sands" is supposed to refer to if it doesn't refer to the very obvious possibility, and it doesn't explain how Shady Sands could have "fell" about 4 years prior to the events of New Vegas and absolutely nobody in the Mojave Wasteland had heard about it. ~~It could mean a political fall or something similar to the fall of Rome, the start of everything going wrong. It is linked to the start of the war with the legion. Thus the fall of shady sands.~~ --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980117416] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>no, nobody "explained" it. Todd Howard in an interview said that "everything that happened in previous games, including New Vegas, happened [in the show]", and that the bomb falls [in Shady Sands] just after the events of New Vegas", and when asked if "the Fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean the nuke", he said "right". so, none of that explains what the "Fall of Shady Sands" is supposed to refer to if it doesn't refer to the very obvious possibility, and it doesn't explain how Shady Sands could have "fell" about 4 years prior to the events of New Vegas and absolutely nobody in the Mojave Wasteland had heard about it.</quote>It could mean a political fall or something similar to the fall of Rome, the start of everything going wrong. It is linked to the start of the war with the legion. Thus the fall of shady sands. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 2:13:07 AM #28:	Tora_Sami posted... ~~It could mean a political fall or something similar to the fall of Rome, the start of everything going wrong. It is linked to the start of the war with the legion. Thus the fall of shady sands.~~ ~~edit: found this link explaining it with meke detail. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/s/avHTwpsdA6~~ that link makes no sense. it doesn't even mention Shady Sands once, when the event is specifically called "The Fall of Shady Sands". why would it be called that if it was triggered by an event not even in California? what would that have to do with Shady Sands? it would relate to the NCR in general, yes, but not Shady Sands specifically. there is no logical connection there. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980117502] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>It could mean a political fall or something similar to the fall of Rome, the start of everything going wrong. It is linked to the start of the war with the legion. Thus the fall of shady sands.edit: found this link explaining it with meke detail. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/s/avHTwpsdA6</quote>that link makes no sense. it doesn't even mention Shady Sands once, when the event is specifically called "The Fall of Shady Sands". why would it be called that if it was triggered by an event not even in California? what would that have to do with Shady Sands? it would relate to the NCR in general, yes, but not Shady Sands specifically. there is no logical connection there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 04/27/24 2:16:01 AM #29:	Hey... Even people in the Fallout universe lies or remember the wrong dates. Just Saiyan. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:980117517] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Hey...Even people in the Fallout universe lies or remember the wrong dates.Just Saiyan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 2:22:46 AM #30:	DoesntMatter posted... that link makes no sense. it doesn't even mention Shady Sands once, when the event is specifically called "The Fall of Shady Sands". why would it be called that if it was triggered by an event not even in California? what would that have to do with Shady Sands? it would relate to the NCR in general, yes, but not Shady Sands specifically. there is no logical connection there. Shady sands is the NCR, it is also the capital. It's the fall of it politically and militarily don't the resource strain brought on by the war. If you don't get it, then you just don't get it but it makes sense. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980117562] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>that link makes no sense. it doesn't even mention Shady Sands once, when the event is specifically called "The Fall of Shady Sands". why would it be called that if it was triggered by an event not even in California? what would that have to do with Shady Sands? it would relate to the NCR in general, yes, but not Shady Sands specifically. there is no logical connection there.</quote>Shady sands is the NCR, it is also the capital. It's the fall of it politically and militarily don't the resource strain brought on by the war. If you don't get it, then you just don't get it but it makes sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 2:38:06 AM #31:	Tora_Sami posted... ~~Shady sands is the NCR, it is also the capital.~~ uh, no, it is not. Shady Sands is just the capital, in the contemporaneous period of the NV and show timeline. the only time "Shady Sands" and "NCR" were interchangeable was in the time period of Fallout 2. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980117647] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>Shady sands is the NCR, it is also the capital.</quote>uh, no, it is not. Shady Sands is just the capital, in the contemporaneous period of the NV and show timeline. the only time "Shady Sands" and "NCR" were interchangeable was in the time period of Fallout 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 2:43:52 AM #32:	DoesntMatter posted... uh, no, it is not. Shady Sands is just the capital, in the contemporaneous period of the NV and show timeline. the only time "Shady Sands" and "NCR" were interchangeable was in the time period of Fallout 2. That's how they are using it in the show. I don't know what to tell ya. It's not a retcon or inconsistent it's just how they wanted to refer to it in the show. At best it's a nitpick. Could just mean the fall of shadysands as the capital and the capital was changed to someone thing else and moldaver's group was just the remnants of this area. Maybe the capital was changed to Oregon, we don't know but it's not lore breaking yet. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980117683] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>uh, no, it is not. Shady Sands is just the capital, in the contemporaneous period of the NV and show timeline. the only time "Shady Sands" and "NCR" were interchangeable was in the time period of Fallout 2.</quote>That's how they are using it in the show. I don't know what to tell ya. It's not a retcon or inconsistent it's just how they wanted to refer to it in the show. At best it's a nitpick. Could just mean the fall of shadysands as the capital and the capital was changed to someone thing else and moldaver's group was just the remnants of this area. Maybe the capital was changed to Oregon, we don't know but it's not lore breaking yet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 04/27/24 2:55:19 AM #33:	pegusus123456 posted... The other is that ghouls just don't work that way. In the show, ~~they all need a special drug to keep them from going feral~~. In the games, they can go for centuries and be fine, it's just luck of the draw. The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe ~~that someone either eventually developed a new drug or maybe discovered a side effect of an existing one to help stave off the feral condition~~ Foppe posted... Hey... Even people in the Fallout universe lies or remember the wrong dates. Just Saiyan. Exactly. Fallout is filled with unreliable narrators. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:980117762] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>The other is that ghouls just don't work that way. In the show, they all need a special drug to keep them from going feral. In the games, they can go for centuries and be fine, it's just luck of the draw.</quote>The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe that someone either eventually developed a new drug or maybe discovered a side effect of an existing one to help stave off the feral conditionFoppe posted... </cite><quote>Hey...Even people in the Fallout universe lies or remember the wrong dates.Just Saiyan.</quote>Exactly. Fallout is filled with unreliable narrators. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 3:26:23 AM #34:	CountCorvinus posted... The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe ~~that someone either eventually developed a new drug or maybe discovered a side effect of an existing one to help stave off the feral condition~~ Their is a theory that it is rad-x, slowing down the effects of radiation in their brain. You are right in that there is no specific thing in how they work and feralism can happen at anytime. Maybe it could also be that once the drug is taken you have to be on it constantly or the withdraws can make you feral. I am now no longer against it and excited to see where it goes. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980117946] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe that someone either eventually developed a new drug or maybe discovered a side effect of an existing one to help stave off the feral condition</quote>Their is a theory that it is rad-x, slowing down the effects of radiation in their brain. You are right in that there is no specific thing in how they work and feralism can happen at anytime. Maybe it could also be that once the drug is taken you have to be on it constantly or the withdraws can make you feral. I am now no longer against it and excited to see where it goes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 04/27/24 4:00:28 AM #35:	CountCorvinus posted... The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe that someone either eventually developed a new drug or maybe discovered a side effect of an existing one to help stave off the feral condition Tora_Sami posted... Their is a theory that it is rad-x, slowing down the effects of radiation in their brain. You are right in that there is no specific thing in how they work and feralism can happen at anytime. Maybe it could also be that once the drug is taken you have to be on it constantly or the withdraws can make you feral. I am now no longer against it and excited to see where it goes. Yeah, it's definitely something they could explain, but the show presents it as just a natural fact of ghouls. ~~And Cooper himself has presumably been one for two hundred years.~~ ~~And I don't buy the Rad-X/Radaway theory because Maximus' squire friend gets turned into a ghoul by taking the drug.~~ --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:980118123] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe that someone either eventually developed a new drug or maybe discovered a side effect of an existing one to help stave off the feral condition</quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>Their is a theory that it is rad-x, slowing down the effects of radiation in their brain. You are right in that there is no specific thing in how they work and feralism can happen at anytime. Maybe it could also be that once the drug is taken you have to be on it constantly or the withdraws can make you feral. I am now no longer against it and excited to see where it goes.</quote>Yeah, it's definitely something they could explain, but the show presents it as just a natural fact of ghouls. And Cooper himself has presumably been one for two hundred years. And I don't buy the Rad-X/Radaway theory because Maximus' squire friend gets turned into a ghoul by taking the drug. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 04/27/24 5:24:31 AM #36:	is there even any established lore that is supposed to determine exactly how radiation affects ghouls and whether or not literally ever ghoul experiences the same thing in the exact same way? is there any possibility that within the years between the games and show, that understandings and beliefs can change? also shady sands =/= ncr. the same way there are literally multiple brotherhoods that have conflicting ideologies. literally every incarnation of the BoS has been different (3 even has two, with the outcasts). one could argue that potentially the only faction that is complete and the same across the wasteland is the enclave and even that's unknown because it's never been fully established. imo these nitpicks amount more to "there isn't any established lore but this is what we assume from the games" and less of "these are solid retcons that have changed the world of fallout" --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:980118505] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>is there even any established lore that is supposed to determine exactly how radiation affects ghouls and whether or not literally ever ghoul experiences the same thing in the exact same way? is there any possibility that within the years between the games and show, that understandings and beliefs can change? also shady sands =/= ncr. the same way there are literally multiple brotherhoods that have conflicting ideologies. literally every incarnation of the BoS has been different (3 even has two, with the outcasts). one could argue that potentially the only faction that is complete and the same across the wasteland is the enclave and even that's unknown because it's never been fully established.imo these nitpicks amount more to "there isn't any established lore but this is what we assume from the games" and less of "these are solid retcons that have changed the world of fallout" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 04/27/24 6:05:48 AM #37:	About the ghoul thing, l think part of it has to do with psychology. Not everybody are affected the same, some turn feral directly while others regain their mind, their humanity. We have seen time after time that ghouls that have found a purpose in life doesnt seem to turn that easily, so what if losing your purpose or giving up or life is the last mental block that prevents you from going feral? The whole drug thing could be a placebo, and a local ancedote about how Bob turned after stopping with the medication can make them believe that it works. And believing that it works can be a mental block that prevents them from turning. They are probably addicted to it as well. ...yes, l know that ghouls cant get addicted, but what if the body actually gets addicted but they cant feel it? Stopping with the drugs might just feel like the difference between opening and closing your hand, you feel that there is a difference but you dont think about it. So they feel that something happen when they stop with the drug and believes that it might be the start of going feral. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:980118725] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>About the ghoul thing, l think part of it has to do with psychology.Not everybody are affected the same, some turn feral directly while others regain their mind, their humanity. We have seen time after time that ghouls that have found a purpose in life doesnt seem to turn that easily, so what if losing your purpose or giving up or life is the last mental block that prevents you from going feral?The whole drug thing could be a placebo, and a local ancedote about how Bob turned after stopping with the medication can make them believe that it works.And believing that it works can be a mental block that prevents them from turning.They are probably addicted to it as well....yes, l know that ghouls cant get addicted, but what if the body actually gets addicted but they cant feel it? Stopping with the drugs might just feel like the difference between opening and closing your hand, you feel that there is a difference but you dont think about it.So they feel that something happen when they stop with the drug and believes that it might be the start of going feral. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chukklez17dc 04/27/24 6:13:02 AM #38:	I can't believe people are getting so mad about the lore being "messed with" people don't have to consider it canon if they're gonna be babies about it --- Hello <cite>chukklez17dc posted [p:980118767] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe people are getting so mad about the lore being "messed with" people don't have to consider it canon if they're gonna be babies about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 04/27/24 6:18:43 AM #39:	The only egregious problem is ~~the ghoul drug.~~ I'm not particularly pleased with ~~the state of the NCR but there's still I'm sure more info coming on that in season 2.~~ --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:980118798] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote> The only egregious problem is the ghoul drug.I'm not particularly pleased with the state of the NCR but there's still I'm sure more info coming on that in season 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frolex 04/27/24 6:21:22 AM #40:	While the stuff like"ghouls need drugs to keep from going feral" is an obvious retcon regardless of how much people want to cope otherwise, the lore changes in the show ~~(yes, even the "lul we nuked NCR so we could copypaste the fallout 3 setting on the west coast" part)~~ are nothing compared to bethesda fucking the lore in FO76 because they literally cant make a game without the BOS, Enclave and super mutants. If you were still with the series after that game, I dunno why this show would be too far. --- http://i.imgur.com/HOLHd4k.gif http://i.imgur.com/six2WTN.gif <cite>Frolex posted [p:980118813] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>While the stuff like"ghouls need drugs to keep from going feral" is an obvious retcon regardless of how much people want to cope otherwise, the lore changes in the show (yes, even the "lul we nuked NCR so we could copypaste the fallout 3 setting on the west coast" part) are nothing compared to bethesda fucking the lore in FO76 because they literally cant make a game without the BOS, Enclave and super mutants. If you were still with the series after that game, I dunno why this show would be too far. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tora_Sami 04/27/24 6:23:12 AM #41:	Enclave posted... The only egregious problem is ~~the ghoul drug.~~ I'm not particularly pleased with ~~the state of the NCR but there's still I'm sure more info coming on that in season 2.~~ In all honesty, in all honesty. The fact that these are literally the only two issues of the show, is just a testament to how much love they put into it. How well it was directed, wrote, and acted is astounding. I think people have a couple more or so minor issues, but if this is what we got compared to almost any other videogame show. Consider us lucky as fuck and that the bad plot points, while annoying, can be looked over or head canoned or even if it is a huge issue, I'm sure everyone is still interested into what season 2 does. That alone is epic. --- Asus E-gaming z490 \| 10700k \| DDR4 32gb 3200mhz \| Asus TUF 3080ti \| 1000 watt \| Corsair H100i 240 \| G7 Odyssey 32" \| Orion Spark \| Proteus Core <cite>Tora_Sami posted [p:980118828] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Enclave posted... </cite><quote>The only egregious problem is the ghoul drug.I'm not particularly pleased with the state of the NCR but there's still I'm sure more info coming on that in season 2.</quote>In all honesty, in all honesty. The fact that these are literally the only two issues of the show, is just a testament to how much love they put into it. How well it was directed, wrote, and acted is astounding. I think people have a couple more or so minor issues, but if this is what we got compared to almost any other videogame show. Consider us lucky as fuck and that the bad plot points, while annoying, can be looked over or head canoned or even if it is a huge issue, I'm sure everyone is still interested into what season 2 does. That alone is epic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 04/27/24 7:13:42 AM #42:	Tora_Sami posted... In all honesty, in all honesty. The fact that these are literally the only two issues of the show, is just a testament to how much love they put into it. How well it was directed, wrote, and acted is astounding. I think people have a couple more or so minor issues, but if this is what we got compared to almost any other videogame show. Consider us lucky as fuck and that the bad plot points, while annoying, can be looked over or head canoned or even if it is a huge issue, I'm sure everyone is still interested into what season 2 does. That alone is epic. Oh, yeah, I'm not complaining. I actually like the show more than the Bethesda made Fallout games. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:980119118] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>In all honesty, in all honesty. The fact that these are literally the only two issues of the show, is just a testament to how much love they put into it. How well it was directed, wrote, and acted is astounding. I think people have a couple more or so minor issues, but if this is what we got compared to almost any other videogame show. Consider us lucky as fuck and that the bad plot points, while annoying, can be looked over or head canoned or even if it is a huge issue, I'm sure everyone is still interested into what season 2 does. That alone is epic.</quote>Oh, yeah, I'm not complaining. I actually like the show more than the Bethesda made Fallout games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 04/27/24 9:37:27 AM #43:	CountCorvinus posted... Yeah, What you gonna do about it? Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way. Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer. New Vegas was a great game, but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas. Pass whatever it is you're hitting --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:980120151] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>CountCorvinus posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, What you gonna do about it?Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way.Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer.New Vegas was a great game, but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas.</quote>Pass whatever it is you're hitting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 10:23:21 AM #44:	Tora_Sami posted... That's how they are using it in the show. no it's not --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980120674] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>Tora_Sami posted... </cite><quote>That's how they are using it in the show.</quote>no it's not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LonelyStoner 04/27/24 10:26:45 AM #45:	MorbidFaithless posted... This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk. It hasnt messed with any of the lore aside from some minor timeline changes. All the games still happened in the show. --- He's all alone through the day and night. <cite>LonelyStoner posted [p:980120713] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>MorbidFaithless posted... </cite><quote>This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk.</quote>It hasnt messed with any of the lore aside from some minor timeline changes. All the games still happened in the show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 04/27/24 10:28:24 AM #46:	pegusus123456 posted... ~~And I don't buy the Rad-X/Radaway theory because Maximus' squire friend gets turned into a ghoul by taking the drug.~~ i was gonna bring that up but tbh i can't remember if it's been concretely established that it will ~~turn out to be a ghoul he's becoming, or if there's a possibility it might be a super mutant, or something else. ghouls aren't known for having a general healing factor for just any wounds.~~ --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:980120733] in Is the Fal... [t:80756620]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>And I don't buy the Rad-X/Radaway theory because Maximus' squire friend gets turned into a ghoul by taking the drug.</quote>i was gonna bring that up but tbh i can't remember if it's been concretely established that it will turn out to be a ghoul he's becoming, or if there's a possibility it might be a super mutant, or something else. ghouls aren't known for having a general healing factor for just any wounds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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