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TheMikh
04/15/24 2:46:22 PM
#1:


In light of recent developments, let's hammer out a specification for a satellite/lifeboat CE community.

While there is a decent number of CE discord servers, they tend to be siloed and their cumulative network effects are hampered by the fracturing of communities and discussions within these respective silos. The subreddits also have this same issue.

What I would like to build is a forum with the following characteristics:

  • Has functional and aesthetic parity with the GameFAQs message boards.
  • Ideally functions in a peer-to-peer manner such that the state of the forum and its messages live not on a server (which could prove to be a central point of failure in a number of ways), but rather on the local machines/clients of users, with updates synced through a gossip protocol which users could be encouraged to passively contribute to through an opt-in background daemon.
  • From a user experience standpoint it should be an open community, such that anyone can join and post without getting banned over historical interpersonal squabbles, but:
  • With moderation mechanisms to discourage spam, abusive behavior, illicit conduct, and other things broadly undesired by CE as a community and by GameFAQs moderation standards, including but not limited to the ability of users to block and ignore other users and render their posts inaccessible to such, similar to how CE functions now, and perhaps to have custom filters they can share and/or opt into.


From a technological standpoint, details to be considered are:

  • The ideal application stack for a system/platform like this.
  • How to accomplish this in a cross-platform manner with negligible platform-specific development overhead - no apps, but rather browser-based with caching is the ideal. Ideal targets would be Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android.


I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

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Garabandal
04/15/24 3:28:00 PM
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Tag. Not a web developer but this is a good idea.

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MacadamianNut3
04/15/24 3:28:46 PM
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This topic just triggered anybody who spent even a second as a computer science major

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soulunison2
04/15/24 3:29:16 PM
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yall need to let this board go and touch some grass holy shit
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Eat_More_Beef
04/15/24 3:38:51 PM
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soulunison2 posted...
yall need to let this board go and touch some grass holy shit

Bruv. I've been on this site since 02. I enjoy wasting some of my downtime scoping out the message boards and the like. We're a pretty cool community, all things considered.

Don't knock others for how they like to spend their spare time.

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s0nicfan
04/15/24 3:39:47 PM
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You'll never get them to agree on a framework. Half will demand Angular. The other half will demand React. And then like... 3 guys in the corner will insist on VUE.

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Tyranthraxus
04/15/24 3:40:56 PM
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Web dev here.

If you buy a hosting site and pay me, I will gladly put a forum on it for you.

Or you know.... There's another option. We could also just use a forum that already exists.

https://www.pillowfort.social/community/Current%20Events

Regular old forum style.

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bulldryer
04/15/24 3:48:50 PM
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Ideally functions in a peer-to-peer manner such that the state of the forum and its messages live not on a server (which could prove to be a central point of failure in a number of ways), but rather on the local machines/clients of users, with updates synced through a gossip protocol which users could be encouraged to passively contribute to through an opt-in background daemon.

This is an overkill solution for a very simple problem.
Do not write off just hosting stuff in a database
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BlackOmnimon
04/15/24 3:51:34 PM
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didn't we have several gamefaqs clones back in the day?

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TheMikh
04/15/24 3:57:35 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
This topic just triggered anybody who spent even a second as a computer science major
I hold a CS degree and have been working in various corners of the industry for north of a decade. Forgive me if I use jargon.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

That would be fantastic, since I have a terrible eye for style and frontend design.

s0nicfan posted...
You'll never get them to agree on a framework. Half will demand Angular. The other half will demand React. And then like... 3 guys in the corner will insist on VUE.
If it's open source, they can all manage their own approach based on some common data interchange standard. With this in mind, I'm mostly concerned with the backend architecture.

Tyranthraxus posted...
Web dev here.

If you buy a hosting site and pay me, I will gladly put a forum on it for you.

Or you know.... There's another option. We could also just use a forum that already exists.
If I wanted launch and host a GameFAQs clone forum on a LAMP stack, I could easily have a concept up and running by this evening, but I'm trying to conceptualize something a little more ambitious and robust which isn't at the mercy of a single administrator's whims or capacity / lack thereof for long-term infrastructural upkeep, but is still responsive to / upholds community values, if that makes any sense.

bulldryer posted...
This is an overkill solution for a very simple problem.
Do not write off just hosting stuff in a database
I'm not opposed to the use of a database; I just have reservations about a central one since I've seen many spinoffs and other websites come and go over the years, and would like the community to be able to collectively keep things going. With a more legacy architecture, administrators eventually go MIA, shut things down, deal with hosting infrastructure issues (e.g., db/instance failure without backup), etc.

BlackOmnimon posted...
didn't we have several gamefaqs clones back in the day?
Yes, there was a rich ecosystem of them twenty years ago, which tended to run on LAMP stacks but were only online so long as they were managed by their administrators. Now they're mostly gone, because the administrators stopped caring or the sites got hacked.

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Starks
04/15/24 3:59:53 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
This topic just triggered anybody who spent even a second as a computer science major
*cries in masters*

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Trumble
04/15/24 4:00:05 PM
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I've run a couple of small spinoffs in the past and had been thinking about whipping up another one. I don't think it's time to rush anything just yet, but maybe it's time to at least start putting something together...

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Tyranthraxus
04/15/24 4:00:27 PM
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TheMikh posted...
If I wanted launch and host a GameFAQs clone forum on a LAMP stack, I could easily have a concept up and running by this evening, but I'm trying to conceptualize something a little more ambitious and robust which isn't at the mercy of a single administrator's whims or capacity / lack thereof for long-term infrastructural upkeep, but is still responsive to / upholds community values, if that makes any sense.

What you're trying to conceptualize is effectively Bitcoin but with mandatory messages attached to each transaction.

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Robot2600
04/15/24 4:01:12 PM
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i can paint, write, and design. ive coded an Atari 2600 game from scratch in Basic. im not a pro software engineer or anything.

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Scarecrow17
04/15/24 4:01:58 PM
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This is a good idea. Other old forums that got axed have done something similar.

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Unsuprised_Pika
04/15/24 4:03:35 PM
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soulunison2 posted...
yall need to let this board go and touch some grass holy shit

I'm autistic man. I need my little rituals like checking CE when I am too tired to do anything of importance. Been coming here for over a decade.

I still work ~full time and have other hobbies like drawing and gaming.

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Starks
04/15/24 4:03:57 PM
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Is the answer CELinks or something more modern?

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CRON
04/15/24 4:04:26 PM
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I've mentioned it before but the easier solution might be to just use something like ProBoards.

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Harpie
04/15/24 4:09:01 PM
#21:


I run a few websites already. It'd be interesting to make a site dedicated to keeping the old internet style forums, and it could easily be done for under $50/month including domain, hosting and ssl cert costs.

A simple donate button would hopefully be enough to fund it without ads, like how adblock does it.

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Starks
04/15/24 4:20:01 PM
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I've done done free proboards offshoots for some of the anime boards in the past. Even had PHP and SQL access to some of them.

It's not that hard but it's not something I want to take on.

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soulunison2
04/15/24 4:20:27 PM
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Eat_More_Beef posted...
Bruv. I've been on this site since 02. I enjoy wasting some of my downtime scoping out the message boards and the like. We're a pretty cool community, all things considered.

Don't knock others for how they like to spend their spare time.

Ive been here just as long as you and Ive moved on from this board lmao.

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Onychomys
04/15/24 4:22:10 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
You'll never get them to agree on a framework. Half will demand Angular. The other half will demand React. And then like... 3 guys in the corner will insist on VUE.

I'm writing in Vue as we speak and it's honestly pretty great!

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SomeLikeItHoth
04/15/24 4:25:36 PM
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I could look into getting this done.

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TheMikh
04/15/24 4:26:08 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
What you're trying to conceptualize is effectively Bitcoin but with mandatory messages attached to each transaction.
I'm thinking more along the lines of Bittorent or serverless IRC under the hood if I can help it. Blockchain is overkill for this use case, even if feasible (esp within an application-specific EVM network), since data organization is a pain in the behind without making things more needlessly complicated.

Robot2600 posted...
i can paint, write, and design. ive coded an Atari 2600 game from scratch in Basic. im not a pro software engineer or anything.
Design's an incredibly valuable skill. Many software engineers have zero design sense as it relates to human user interactions; just look what Session Buddy did to their extension lately.

CRON posted...
I've mentioned it before but the easier solution might be to just use something like ProBoards.
A forum-as-a-service platform is an option since many of them have remained online for decades, but they don't offer much developer control, and are ultimately at the mercy of the whims of the forum administrator(s) and the service provider. What I'd like is something that is indistinguishable from GameFAQs and runs forever so long as just one person cares to keep things going.

Harpie posted...
I run a few websites already. It'd be interesting to make a site dedicated to keeping the old internet style forums, and it could easily be done for under $50/month including domain, hosting and ssl cert costs.

A simple donate button would hopefully be enough to fund it without ads, like how adblock does it.
Hosting, SSL, and donations will be important, whether for a full-fledged old style forum/site or a trusted webclient.

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Trumble
04/15/24 4:28:04 PM
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I run the Lemmings Forums. Much smaller, but it runs alongside several insignificant sites on a $12/mo Digital Ocean droplet. SSL is free via LetsEncrypt. A domain is maybe $20 a year. We might need a higher value droplet if it gets really active, but the costs are completely feasible.

Getting someone to make the damn thing is the biggest obstacle. I'd like to say I would, but my track record of finishing projects is kinda poor and PHP is not something I do overly well with. The old clones had bugs (GameFAQ++ had one that literally allowed any registered user to moderate messages lmao) and are written for outdated PHP versions, so wouldn't be the easiest things to bring up to date.

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DDP886
04/15/24 4:28:12 PM
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I have a fully functioning Gamefaqs clone source code I modify from a spin-off called whitefyre 10 years ago. I still have all the files but dont know what works or not due to being shafted around network drives for a decade (corruption)
edit: I have no time however to update or run serves for these things because I already admin a website - maintaining servers for one site is enough for me while in grad school

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kirbymuncher
04/15/24 4:30:30 PM
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honestly if you really want to do this you should just find some existing forum creation sites instead of making your own thing. not really worth the effort

not really a fan of weird decentralized forum/messaging whatever nonsense, just find a benevolent dictator and stick them in charge and you're good

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Sad_Face
04/15/24 4:35:24 PM
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kirbymuncher posted...
honestly if you really want to do this you should just find some existing forum creation sites instead of making your own thing. not really worth the effort

This was my thought process as well. No need to reinvent the wheel. Unless you intend to fully recreate GameFAQs, then I'd argue designing a stronger incentive mechanism for guide and other user content submissions.

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shironinja
04/15/24 4:37:48 PM
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Im going to print off some pictures of big tiddy anime goth girls and post them around my neighborhood instead.

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1337toothbrush
04/15/24 4:38:22 PM
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Not worth the effort.

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Vicious_Dios
04/15/24 4:39:54 PM
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Meh... if the layout/format is almost identical to the site then sure.

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s0nicfan
04/15/24 4:40:35 PM
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TheMikh posted...
If it's open source, they can all manage their own approach based on some common data interchange standard. With this in mind, I'm mostly concerned with the backend architecture.

Why not reach out to the guy who runs the gamefaqs archive (that we can't direction mention on the boards)? They've already got DB support and like... 10+ years of archived content so they clearly have the storage space.

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NeoBasilisk
04/15/24 4:42:48 PM
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must be a blue web sight

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mario2000
04/15/24 4:43:30 PM
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Why is the websight blue? Is it sad?

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thronedfire2
04/15/24 5:56:48 PM
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can we just copy gamefaqs entirely and call it gamefax like Trump did for Truth Social?

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TheMikh
04/15/24 6:29:16 PM
#38:


s0nicfan posted...
Why not reach out to the guy who runs the gamefaqs archive (that we can't direction mention on the boards)? They've already got DB support and like... 10+ years of archived content so they clearly have the storage space.

Roadhogg's account has not been signed into since 2008 and the archive itself seems to have been broken for a few years now.

Trumble posted...
I run the Lemmings Forums. Much smaller, but it runs alongside several insignificant sites on a $12/mo Digital Ocean droplet. SSL is free via LetsEncrypt. A domain is maybe $20 a year. We might need a higher value droplet if it gets really active, but the costs are completely feasible.
I could fund a domain if needed. Had no idea there were free SSL services, but I'll keep that in mind.

Getting someone to make the damn thing is the biggest obstacle. I'd like to say I would, but my track record of finishing projects is kinda poor and PHP is not something I do overly well with. The old clones had bugs (GameFAQ++ had one that literally allowed any registered user to moderate messages lmao) and are written for outdated PHP versions, so wouldn't be the easiest things to bring up to date.
Agreed. The old codebases (especially GFH and WF forks) had a frightening number of security vulnerabilities, with a few quality exceptions that might have enjoyed a bit of security by obscurity (aURL, EGFC). Some developers wrote vulnerabilities into their own software for personal amusement.

I'd be open to building within the constraints of my time, though I need to brush up on the landscape of libraries I might want to use for the concept I proposed.

If we did theoretically opt for a LAMP-based forum, it would be extremely easy and there's a lot of secure boilerplate that didn't exist back then, but I remain queasy about long-term uptime assurances. Even if fully paid for into perpetuity like a number of my AWS-based sites, the Amazon baremetal the instances live on occasionally degrades after a while and then the cloud instance goes down, which means needing to actively monitor things and also potentially have periodic backups. Set and forget preferred.

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thronedfire2
04/15/24 6:45:41 PM
#39:


is phpBB any good these days?

I don't think I've been on a site with that format in a long time.

edit: I mostly mean security/stability wise, I've used it as an admin a long time ago and it was easy enough

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thronedfire2
04/15/24 7:39:34 PM
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I bought currenterevents.com if anyone wants to help me run a very basic forum website

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Tyranthraxus
04/15/24 7:41:07 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I bought currenterevents.com if anyone wants to help me run a very basic forum website
The name doesn't do you any good without a hosting. But I was serious about helping set up a forum if you need it. I would just use something that already exists rather than build it on my own.

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deoxxys
04/15/24 7:43:47 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Web dev here.

If you buy a hosting site and pay me, I will gladly put a forum on it for you.

Or you know.... There's another option. We could also just use a forum that already exists.

https://www.pillowfort.social/community/Current%20Events

Regular old forum style.
Join button doesn't work?

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Tyranthraxus
04/15/24 7:48:21 PM
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deoxxys posted...
Join button doesn't work?
You have to create an account before you can join a community.

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YellowSUV
04/16/24 2:17:57 AM
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Bumping for more visibility. Having a viable CE alternative website that is ready to go if Fandom closes or severely limits social boards is really key to minimizing the splintering of the community.

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cadcrafter
04/16/24 2:22:07 AM
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Tag too

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FL81
04/16/24 2:35:46 AM
#47:


TheMikh posted...
Ideally functions in a peer-to-peer manner such that the state of the forum and its messages live not on a server (which could prove to be a central point of failure in a number of ways), but rather on the local machines/clients of users, with updates synced through a gossip protocol which users could be encouraged to passively contribute to through an opt-in background daemon.
Call me crazy, but I don't really see what benefit this offers over just using a classic centralized forum paradigm (at least in something like CE's case where it's just one community as opposed to a decentralized Mastodon-like situation)

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SomeLikeItHoth
04/16/24 3:06:07 AM
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I did a free trial for a Discourse forum but to keep it alive it'll cost $100 per month.

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HexaTyphlosion
04/16/24 8:37:17 AM
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There's a forum that's already up and running called Thread Zone

https://ce.thread.zone/
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JlM
04/16/24 8:43:52 AM
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Dying forum lifeboats never workout. Give it up CEmen. We had a good run.

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