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TheMikh 04/15/24 2:46:22 PM #1: |
In light of recent developments, let's hammer out a specification for a satellite/lifeboat CE community.
While there is a decent number of CE discord servers, they tend to be siloed and their cumulative network effects are hampered by the fracturing of communities and discussions within these respective silos. The subreddits also have this same issue. What I would like to build is a forum with the following characteristics:
From a technological standpoint, details to be considered are:
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Garabandal 04/15/24 3:28:00 PM #2: |
Tag. Not a web developer but this is a good idea.
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MacadamianNut3 04/15/24 3:28:46 PM #3: |
This topic just triggered anybody who spent even a second as a computer science major
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soulunison2 04/15/24 3:29:16 PM #4: |
yall need to let this board go and touch some grass holy shit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eat_More_Beef 04/15/24 3:38:51 PM #7: |
soulunison2 posted...
yall need to let this board go and touch some grass holy shit Bruv. I've been on this site since 02. I enjoy wasting some of my downtime scoping out the message boards and the like. We're a pretty cool community, all things considered. Don't knock others for how they like to spend their spare time. --- I wrote a horror novel, called "Spare Parts." A whole damn novel! You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 04/15/24 3:39:47 PM #8: |
You'll never get them to agree on a framework. Half will demand Angular. The other half will demand React. And then like... 3 guys in the corner will insist on VUE.
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Tyranthraxus 04/15/24 3:40:56 PM #9: |
Web dev here.
If you buy a hosting site and pay me, I will gladly put a forum on it for you. Or you know.... There's another option. We could also just use a forum that already exists. https://www.pillowfort.social/community/Current%20Events Regular old forum style. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bulldryer 04/15/24 3:48:50 PM #10: |
Ideally functions in a peer-to-peer manner such that the state of the forum and its messages live not on a server (which could prove to be a central point of failure in a number of ways), but rather on the local machines/clients of users, with updates synced through a gossip protocol which users could be encouraged to passively contribute to through an opt-in background daemon. This is an overkill solution for a very simple problem. Do not write off just hosting stuff in a database ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackOmnimon 04/15/24 3:51:34 PM #11: |
didn't we have several gamefaqs clones back in the day?
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TheMikh 04/15/24 3:57:35 PM #12: |
MacadamianNut3 posted...
This topic just triggered anybody who spent even a second as a computer science majorI hold a CS degree and have been working in various corners of the industry for north of a decade. Forgive me if I use jargon. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] That would be fantastic, since I have a terrible eye for style and frontend design. s0nicfan posted... You'll never get them to agree on a framework. Half will demand Angular. The other half will demand React. And then like... 3 guys in the corner will insist on VUE.If it's open source, they can all manage their own approach based on some common data interchange standard. With this in mind, I'm mostly concerned with the backend architecture. Tyranthraxus posted... Web dev here.If I wanted launch and host a GameFAQs clone forum on a LAMP stack, I could easily have a concept up and running by this evening, but I'm trying to conceptualize something a little more ambitious and robust which isn't at the mercy of a single administrator's whims or capacity / lack thereof for long-term infrastructural upkeep, but is still responsive to / upholds community values, if that makes any sense. bulldryer posted... This is an overkill solution for a very simple problem.I'm not opposed to the use of a database; I just have reservations about a central one since I've seen many spinoffs and other websites come and go over the years, and would like the community to be able to collectively keep things going. With a more legacy architecture, administrators eventually go MIA, shut things down, deal with hosting infrastructure issues (e.g., db/instance failure without backup), etc. BlackOmnimon posted... didn't we have several gamefaqs clones back in the day?Yes, there was a rich ecosystem of them twenty years ago, which tended to run on LAMP stacks but were only online so long as they were managed by their administrators. Now they're mostly gone, because the administrators stopped caring or the sites got hacked. --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 04/15/24 3:59:53 PM #13: |
MacadamianNut3 posted...
This topic just triggered anybody who spent even a second as a computer science major*cries in masters* --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 04/15/24 4:00:05 PM #14: |
I've run a couple of small spinoffs in the past and had been thinking about whipping up another one. I don't think it's time to rush anything just yet, but maybe it's time to at least start putting something together...
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Tyranthraxus 04/15/24 4:00:27 PM #15: |
TheMikh posted...
If I wanted launch and host a GameFAQs clone forum on a LAMP stack, I could easily have a concept up and running by this evening, but I'm trying to conceptualize something a little more ambitious and robust which isn't at the mercy of a single administrator's whims or capacity / lack thereof for long-term infrastructural upkeep, but is still responsive to / upholds community values, if that makes any sense. What you're trying to conceptualize is effectively Bitcoin but with mandatory messages attached to each transaction. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Robot2600 04/15/24 4:01:12 PM #16: |
i can paint, write, and design. ive coded an Atari 2600 game from scratch in Basic. im not a pro software engineer or anything.
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Scarecrow17 04/15/24 4:01:58 PM #17: |
This is a good idea. Other old forums that got axed have done something similar.
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Unsuprised_Pika 04/15/24 4:03:35 PM #18: |
soulunison2 posted...
yall need to let this board go and touch some grass holy shit I'm autistic man. I need my little rituals like checking CE when I am too tired to do anything of importance. Been coming here for over a decade. I still work ~full time and have other hobbies like drawing and gaming. --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Tears of the Kingdom gameplay here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 04/15/24 4:03:57 PM #19: |
Is the answer CELinks or something more modern?
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CRON 04/15/24 4:04:26 PM #20: |
I've mentioned it before but the easier solution might be to just use something like ProBoards.
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Harpie 04/15/24 4:09:01 PM #21: |
I run a few websites already. It'd be interesting to make a site dedicated to keeping the old internet style forums, and it could easily be done for under $50/month including domain, hosting and ssl cert costs.
A simple donate button would hopefully be enough to fund it without ads, like how adblock does it. --- in a constant state of confusion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 04/15/24 4:20:01 PM #22: |
I've done done free proboards offshoots for some of the anime boards in the past. Even had PHP and SQL access to some of them.
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soulunison2 04/15/24 4:20:27 PM #23: |
Eat_More_Beef posted... Bruv. I've been on this site since 02. I enjoy wasting some of my downtime scoping out the message boards and the like. We're a pretty cool community, all things considered. Ive been here just as long as you and Ive moved on from this board lmao. like bro youre probably better off too but holding on to a dead message board is unhealthy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Onychomys 04/15/24 4:22:10 PM #24: |
s0nicfan posted...
You'll never get them to agree on a framework. Half will demand Angular. The other half will demand React. And then like... 3 guys in the corner will insist on VUE. I'm writing in Vue as we speak and it's honestly pretty great! --- Who is this man? He makes crime a career and women a hobby! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SomeLikeItHoth 04/15/24 4:25:36 PM #25: |
I could look into getting this done.
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TheMikh 04/15/24 4:26:08 PM #26: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
What you're trying to conceptualize is effectively Bitcoin but with mandatory messages attached to each transaction.I'm thinking more along the lines of Bittorent or serverless IRC under the hood if I can help it. Blockchain is overkill for this use case, even if feasible (esp within an application-specific EVM network), since data organization is a pain in the behind without making things more needlessly complicated. Robot2600 posted... i can paint, write, and design. ive coded an Atari 2600 game from scratch in Basic. im not a pro software engineer or anything.Design's an incredibly valuable skill. Many software engineers have zero design sense as it relates to human user interactions; just look what Session Buddy did to their extension lately. CRON posted... I've mentioned it before but the easier solution might be to just use something like ProBoards.A forum-as-a-service platform is an option since many of them have remained online for decades, but they don't offer much developer control, and are ultimately at the mercy of the whims of the forum administrator(s) and the service provider. What I'd like is something that is indistinguishable from GameFAQs and runs forever so long as just one person cares to keep things going. Harpie posted... I run a few websites already. It'd be interesting to make a site dedicated to keeping the old internet style forums, and it could easily be done for under $50/month including domain, hosting and ssl cert costs.Hosting, SSL, and donations will be important, whether for a full-fledged old style forum/site or a trusted webclient. --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 04/15/24 4:28:04 PM #27: |
I run the Lemmings Forums. Much smaller, but it runs alongside several insignificant sites on a $12/mo Digital Ocean droplet. SSL is free via LetsEncrypt. A domain is maybe $20 a year. We might need a higher value droplet if it gets really active, but the costs are completely feasible.
Getting someone to make the damn thing is the biggest obstacle. I'd like to say I would, but my track record of finishing projects is kinda poor and PHP is not something I do overly well with. The old clones had bugs (GameFAQ++ had one that literally allowed any registered user to moderate messages lmao) and are written for outdated PHP versions, so wouldn't be the easiest things to bring up to date. --- Do, or do not. There is no Trumble. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DDP886 04/15/24 4:28:12 PM #28: |
I have a fully functioning Gamefaqs clone source code I modify from a spin-off called whitefyre 10 years ago. I still have all the files but dont know what works or not due to being shafted around network drives for a decade (corruption)
edit: I have no time however to update or run serves for these things because I already admin a website - maintaining servers for one site is enough for me while in grad school --- my signature ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kirbymuncher 04/15/24 4:30:30 PM #29: |
honestly if you really want to do this you should just find some existing forum creation sites instead of making your own thing. not really worth the effort
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Sad_Face 04/15/24 4:35:24 PM #30: |
kirbymuncher posted...
honestly if you really want to do this you should just find some existing forum creation sites instead of making your own thing. not really worth the effort This was my thought process as well. No need to reinvent the wheel. Unless you intend to fully recreate GameFAQs, then I'd argue designing a stronger incentive mechanism for guide and other user content submissions. --- https://i.imgur.com/WmIB016.jpg https://i.imgur.com/53FGj6K.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shironinja 04/15/24 4:37:48 PM #31: |
Im going to print off some pictures of big tiddy anime goth girls and post them around my neighborhood instead.
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1337toothbrush 04/15/24 4:38:22 PM #32: |
Not worth the effort.
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Vicious_Dios 04/15/24 4:39:54 PM #33: |
Meh... if the layout/format is almost identical to the site then sure.
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s0nicfan 04/15/24 4:40:35 PM #34: |
TheMikh posted...
If it's open source, they can all manage their own approach based on some common data interchange standard. With this in mind, I'm mostly concerned with the backend architecture. Why not reach out to the guy who runs the gamefaqs archive (that we can't direction mention on the boards)? They've already got DB support and like... 10+ years of archived content so they clearly have the storage space. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoBasilisk 04/15/24 4:42:48 PM #35: |
must be a blue web sight
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mario2000 04/15/24 4:43:30 PM #36: |
Why is the websight blue? Is it sad?
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thronedfire2 04/15/24 5:56:48 PM #37: |
can we just copy gamefaqs entirely and call it gamefax like Trump did for Truth Social?
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TheMikh 04/15/24 6:29:16 PM #38: |
s0nicfan posted...
Why not reach out to the guy who runs the gamefaqs archive (that we can't direction mention on the boards)? They've already got DB support and like... 10+ years of archived content so they clearly have the storage space. Roadhogg's account has not been signed into since 2008 and the archive itself seems to have been broken for a few years now. Trumble posted... I run the Lemmings Forums. Much smaller, but it runs alongside several insignificant sites on a $12/mo Digital Ocean droplet. SSL is free via LetsEncrypt. A domain is maybe $20 a year. We might need a higher value droplet if it gets really active, but the costs are completely feasible.I could fund a domain if needed. Had no idea there were free SSL services, but I'll keep that in mind. Getting someone to make the damn thing is the biggest obstacle. I'd like to say I would, but my track record of finishing projects is kinda poor and PHP is not something I do overly well with. The old clones had bugs (GameFAQ++ had one that literally allowed any registered user to moderate messages lmao) and are written for outdated PHP versions, so wouldn't be the easiest things to bring up to date.Agreed. The old codebases (especially GFH and WF forks) had a frightening number of security vulnerabilities, with a few quality exceptions that might have enjoyed a bit of security by obscurity (aURL, EGFC). Some developers wrote vulnerabilities into their own software for personal amusement. I'd be open to building within the constraints of my time, though I need to brush up on the landscape of libraries I might want to use for the concept I proposed. If we did theoretically opt for a LAMP-based forum, it would be extremely easy and there's a lot of secure boilerplate that didn't exist back then, but I remain queasy about long-term uptime assurances. Even if fully paid for into perpetuity like a number of my AWS-based sites, the Amazon baremetal the instances live on occasionally degrades after a while and then the cloud instance goes down, which means needing to actively monitor things and also potentially have periodic backups. Set and forget preferred. --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 04/15/24 6:45:41 PM #39: |
is phpBB any good these days?
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thronedfire2 04/15/24 7:39:34 PM #40: |
I bought currenterevents.com if anyone wants to help me run a very basic forum website
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Tyranthraxus 04/15/24 7:41:07 PM #41: |
thronedfire2 posted...
I bought currenterevents.com if anyone wants to help me run a very basic forum websiteThe name doesn't do you any good without a hosting. But I was serious about helping set up a forum if you need it. I would just use something that already exists rather than build it on my own. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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deoxxys 04/15/24 7:43:47 PM #42: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Web dev here.Join button doesn't work? --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/15/24 7:48:21 PM #43: |
deoxxys posted...
Join button doesn't work?You have to create an account before you can join a community. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YellowSUV 04/16/24 2:17:57 AM #45: |
Bumping for more visibility. Having a viable CE alternative website that is ready to go if Fandom closes or severely limits social boards is really key to minimizing the splintering of the community.
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cadcrafter 04/16/24 2:22:07 AM #46: |
Tag too
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FL81 04/16/24 2:35:46 AM #47: |
TheMikh posted...
Ideally functions in a peer-to-peer manner such that the state of the forum and its messages live not on a server (which could prove to be a central point of failure in a number of ways), but rather on the local machines/clients of users, with updates synced through a gossip protocol which users could be encouraged to passively contribute to through an opt-in background daemon.Call me crazy, but I don't really see what benefit this offers over just using a classic centralized forum paradigm (at least in something like CE's case where it's just one community as opposed to a decentralized Mastodon-like situation) --- https://i.imgur.com/TGkNCva.gif https://i.imgur.com/8mWCvA4.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SomeLikeItHoth 04/16/24 3:06:07 AM #48: |
I did a free trial for a Discourse forum but to keep it alive it'll cost $100 per month.
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HexaTyphlosion 04/16/24 8:37:17 AM #49: |
There's a forum that's already up and running called Thread Zone https://ce.thread.zone/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JlM 04/16/24 8:43:52 AM #50: |
Dying forum lifeboats never workout. Give it up CEmen. We had a good run.
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