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Accolon
04/09/24 11:17:50 AM
#1:


Like if you were going to build one, how much money would you expect to set aside for it.

Or if someone asked you " I want to build a good gaming PC" how much would you tell them to spend?

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MarthGoomba
04/09/24 11:18:25 AM
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04/09/24 11:18:28 AM
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Tree fiddy.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 11:19:34 AM
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Historically, my PCs usually have been closer to about $1800, which I feel is a pretty solid higher mid-range type thing, where you're gonna be fine for a while, but you may not be able to run a game 5+ years later on max settings anymore.

My most recent PC build ended up closer to $2700 because graphics card prices are stupid af.

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Ratchetrockon
04/09/24 11:19:39 AM
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My heart says $2500

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:21:45 AM
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I would ask what are they targeting first.

Looking to play current AAA games at 1080p and 60fps?

Or something equivalent to the PS5/XSX?

Or beyond that even?

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kage_53
04/09/24 11:22:59 AM
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$2000 if you want to max everything at 1440 resolution and that is not including monitor.
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voldothegr8
04/09/24 11:25:33 AM
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You can build a sweet 1440p box for around $1000, peripherals not included.

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Mistere_Man
04/09/24 11:27:24 AM
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PraetorXyn
04/09/24 11:29:18 AM
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$2000 minimum with current GPU prices.

Im currently planning out a NAS build, and even with an expensive workstation motherboard its amazing how cheap it is without a graphics card. Of course, thats not counting the storage, which will be at least $2800 by itself for 8 20+ TB Iron Wolf Pro drives.

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dummy420
04/09/24 11:30:10 AM
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I think I built mine for about 2200 a year ago. That was with the newest stuff and an AMD card which is a bit cheaper than Nvidia cards right now. Find out what your goal is and you can get a better budget from there.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:32:03 AM
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The 5600x and an Intel Arc A750 can do 1440p as well and those are pretty inexpensive options.

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pinky0926
04/09/24 11:34:25 AM
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Cynical rant.

There's 3 levels of how much people will tell you to spend on a gaming PC.

  • Level 1: The budget they use when trying to convince you that PC gaming is the way to go, particularly if they're making an impassioned argument against console gaming. Typically about $400-600.
  • Level 2: The budget they tell you you should set yourself to get a good gaming experience once they're convinced you want a gaming PC. Typically $800-1000.
  • Level 3: The budget you're actually left with after you realise that you needed some peripherals and after they're done telling you to swap out X part for Y part several times over, usually because "it's just slightly more money and a lot better" or "that part is being phased out and a better version comes out next month". Typically $1200-1500.
  • Secret Level 4: The actual amount of money they've spent on their own set up, all while unironically claiming that PC gaming is more cost effective: $2k+



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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:37:21 AM
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A level 1 build with that criteria would be a used Dell Optiplex with a 4790, a 6 GB GPU, 16 GB of DDR 3 and a SATA SSD if the model found doesn't support M.2.

Those can be thrown together for under $400, especially if the GPU is used too.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 11:38:06 AM
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Anyone saying you can build a good gaming PC for the cost of a console is just lying.

That said, the PC has a lot more flexibility and cost is really up to what you want to get out of it. That said, there's definitely value in not buying cheap brands and bottom of the barrel crap that you'll end up replacing in a couple years.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:43:25 AM
#17:


I adjusted my actual main build by removing the extra drives from other PCs I moved into it, along with a lower wattage power supply and cheaper case (since mine isn't available anymore)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsP7Jy

Under $750 and I was able to play Helldivers 2 last Friday in 1440p never dropping below 60fps with high settings.

Some of those parts can be found even cheaper elsewhere too.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:44:43 AM
#18:


nekrodev posted...
Anyone saying you can build a good gaming PC for the cost of a console is just lying.


Will_VIIII posted...
A level 1 build with that criteria would be a used Dell Optiplex with a 4790, a 6 GB GPU, 16 GB of DDR 3 and a SATA SSD if the model found doesn't support M.2.

Those can be thrown together for under $400, especially if the GPU is used too.

That's going to be a pretty solid 1080p PC and I wouldn't consider 1080p 60fps bad.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 11:49:00 AM
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both of those PCs may be fine, depending on what you're playing, but they're both going to be horribly overwhelmed as time goes on, and then you're going to be spending more money swapping out components. also, the cheaper one is used, which comes with its own potential problems.

I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone looking get a PC at this stage get a 6GB or 8GB GPU. And, then you have the issue of - if you get a better video card, power requirements go up, so now you need more power supply, or you may need a bigger case.

Again - it all comes down to what you're wanting to do with it. If you're just gonna play SNES ROMs, then none of it matters.

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SilvosForever
04/09/24 11:49:55 AM
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I think you get diminishing returns past the $1200 mark. Like, yeah you get better hardware. But how much better? And how future proof is it really?

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:51:18 AM
#21:


nekrodev posted...
I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone looking get a PC at this stage get a 6GB or 8GB GPU
The series X and PS5 use 8gb GPUs, they're fine.

The 6gb recommendation is for anyone satisfied with 1080p

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Accolon
04/09/24 11:53:35 AM
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My main goal personally is to have something that can handle VR decently well.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 11:54:36 AM
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Will_VIIII posted...
The series X and PS5 use 8gb GPUs, they're fine.

The 6gb recommendation is for anyone satisfied with 1080p

Yes, consoles, which will barely run their games at 30fps in many cases.

And again - that might work for NOW for playing a few games, but in a year or two, there's certainly no guarantee of that. And if you run into an issue where you need a new mobo / processor, you may not even be able to get appropriate replacements without buying MORE used crap, so now you have to upgrade half your computer.

If you're okay w/ that, then I honestly don't see why you wouldn't just get the console and not have to worry about it.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 11:57:57 AM
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nekrodev posted...
Yes, consoles, which will barely run their games at 30fps in many cases.

And again - that might work for NOW for playing a few games, but in a year or two, there's certainly no guarantee of that. And if you run into an issue where you need a new mobo / processor, you may not even be able to get appropriate replacements without buying MORE used crap, so now you have to upgrade half your computer.

If you're okay w/ that, then I honestly don't see why you wouldn't just get the console and not have to worry about it.
That's all hypothetical though. Still having no issues with running games at 60fps 1440p with the ARC A750. Some games I can do 4k in if I want but generally keep the resolution at 1440p.

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bluezero
04/09/24 12:01:09 PM
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GuerillaGorilla
04/09/24 12:02:39 PM
#26:


pinky0926 posted...
Cynical rant.

There's 3 levels of how much people will tell you to spend on a gaming PC.

* Level 1: The budget they use when trying to convince you that PC gaming is the way to go, particularly if they're making an impassioned argument against console gaming. Typically about $400-600.
* Level 2: The budget they tell you you should set yourself to get a good gaming experience once they're convinced you want a gaming PC. Typically $800-1000.
* Level 3: The budget you're actually left with after you realise that you needed some peripherals and after they're done telling you to swap out X part for Y part several times over, usually because "it's just slightly more money and a lot better" or "that part is being phased out and a better version comes out next month". Typically $1200-1500.
* Secret Level 4: The actual amount of money they've spent on their own set up, all while unironically claiming that PC gaming is more cost effective: $2k+
I like this post. I was reading the posts before this one and they're all saying lv. 4. I was thinking you can buy the next several console generations at $600 each and it would still be less then that.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 12:05:33 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
That's all hypothetical though. Still having no issues with running games at 60fps 1440p with the ARC A750. Some games I can do 4k in if I want but generally keep the resolution at 1440p.

That is all hypothetical, yes, but not impossible, or even unlikely. Also, even that PC w/ the A750 in it has issues. The mobo doesn't support the CPU w/o a BIOS update, so that's something else you have to mess w/ unnecessarily. ASUS is also horrible to deal with if anything were to happen. Then, just little things that could add up overtime, the bargain bin, slower speed RAM, etc...

I've not played Helldivers, so I'm unfamiliar w/ the performance of that game specifically, but that system is barely scraping the recommended specs. Again, if that's the only game you're wanting to play, then cool - but that might not help you in a year or two when another game that you want to play comes out.

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PraetorXyn
04/09/24 12:07:20 PM
#28:


pinky0926 posted...
Cynical rant.

There's 3 levels of how much people will tell you to spend on a gaming PC.

* Level 1: The budget they use when trying to convince you that PC gaming is the way to go, particularly if they're making an impassioned argument against console gaming. Typically about $400-600.
* Level 2: The budget they tell you you should set yourself to get a good gaming experience once they're convinced you want a gaming PC. Typically $800-1000.
* Level 3: The budget you're actually left with after you realise that you needed some peripherals and after they're done telling you to swap out X part for Y part several times over, usually because "it's just slightly more money and a lot better" or "that part is being phased out and a better version comes out next month". Typically $1200-1500.
* Secret Level 4: The actual amount of money they've spent on their own set up, all while unironically claiming that PC gaming is more cost effective: $2k+

GuerillaGorilla posted...
I like this post. I was reading the posts before this one and they're all saying lv. 4. I was thinking you can buy the next several console generations at $600 each and it would still be less then that.
The problem is neither of you are factoring in game prices. In the long term, PC is more cost effective because games are far cheaper and you dont have to pay a monthly subscription for basic functionality like cloud saves and the ability to utilize your own internet connection to play online.

Ive got over 1000 Steam games, and I paid pennies on the dollar for most of them. Console games simply dont drop in price like that, and besides, PC has decades of backwards compatibility so theres no need to pay for a $10 PA4 to PS5 upgrade etc.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 12:07:37 PM
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nekrodev posted...
The mobo doesn't support the CPU w/o a BIOS update, so that's something else you have to mess w/ unnecessarily

Motherboards are usually shipping with updated bios these days.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 12:09:07 PM
#30:


GuerillaGorilla posted...
I like this post. I was reading the posts before this one and they're all saying lv. 4. I was thinking you can buy the next several console generations at $600 each and it would still be less then that.

Those $1800+ computers will still be able to be used, tho, when you've already been forced to get the new gen console, cuz they're not putting games out on it anymore.

There are trade-offs. Also, customization plays a big role. You could easily drop the cost of my most recent build by hundreds of dollars just by getting more basic stuff. No RGB versions of things, less "premium" brands. Like, just swapping from my Corsair case to a Lian Li 011 would save you like $200, but I prefer the case I bought.

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Villain_S_Fiend
04/09/24 12:13:14 PM
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I get that it's a personal taste thing, obviously, but I have a bit of a tough time wrapping my head around the desire for RGB lighted components. If I had a tower sitting out where I play my games, those lights would be annoying/distracting to me, and if I put the tower in a spot where they're not going to annoy me, then they serve no aesthetic purpose.

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LeoRavus
04/09/24 12:13:30 PM
#32:


Depends on what you mean by "good". I wouldn't build one today unless it could consistently do 4k/60+ and that would be over $2k easily. I paid more than that for my 3080 build 3 years ago and everything's more expensive now.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 12:16:18 PM
#33:


One other important thing to consider is if this is a build from scratch or are you able to reuse components.

I've used the same case and PSU from my previous build, and the SATA SSD is used for gaming too. That can cut it down a bit.


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PraetorXyn
04/09/24 12:20:21 PM
#34:


Villain_S_Fiend posted...
I get that it's a personal taste thing, obviously, but I have a bit of a tough time wrapping my head around the desire for RGB lighted components. If I had a tower sitting out where I play my games, those lights would be annoying/distracting to me, and if I put the tower in a spot where they're not going to annoy me, then they serve no aesthetic purpose.
They arent distracting at all, as they shouldnt be in your field of view. But you can turn and look at them if you want.

I dont like the RGB effects, but I like that if I set a single accent color, RGB allows me to change it whenever I want. My CPU cooler also has an LCD screen on the pump that shows me the CPU temp at a glance, which is useful.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 12:21:33 PM
#35:


LeoRavus posted...
Depends on what you mean by "good". I wouldn't build one today unless it could consistently do 4k/60+ and that would be over $2k easily. I paid more than that for my 3080 build 3 years ago and everything's more expensive now.

You could get by around $2k for that, for sure. I tweaked my build list a tad and you end up with this - could probably knock some more off w/ a different cooler and memory, but I didn't have exact parts in mind to replace those.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtyLXk

edit: including my actual build as well, just for comparison - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LLXhN6

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NoxObscuras
04/09/24 12:25:43 PM
#36:


Man, some of you guys are super jaded about PC gaming lol. TC is asking for recommendations and it's just "lol just get a console."

It's absolutely possible to build a PC on the cheap. This one for example:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78kbQP

$421 for a cheap VR capable PC. The PS5's GPU is just slightly stronger than the 3060, so it wouldn't be far off in performance.

The upside to PC gaming is that you can play both new and old games without having to buy new hardware every generation like with consoles. I spent $3000 on my PC because I wanted top of the line. But it's not mandatory at all to spend that much or to upgrade frequently.

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 12:27:21 PM
#37:


NoxObscuras posted...
Man, some of you guys are super jaded about PC gaming lol. TC is asking for recommendations and it's just "lol just get a console."

It's absolutely possible to build a PC on the cheap. This one for example:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78kbQP

$421 for a cheap VR capable PC. The PS5's GPU is just slightly stronger than the 3060, so it wouldn't be far off in performance.

The upside to PC gaming is that you can play both new and old games without having to buy new hardware every generation like with consoles. I spent $3000 on my PC because I wanted top of the line. But it's not mandatory at all to spend that much or to upgrade frequently.
This is a great suggestion but for VR they might need something more powerful

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MarthGoomba
04/09/24 12:28:29 PM
#38:


NoxObscuras posted...
The PS5's GPU is just slightly stronger than the 3060
3060 is stronger than a PS5

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Will_VIIII
04/09/24 12:29:36 PM
#39:


IIRC the PS5 and XSX are using the equivalent of a 2070

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orcus_snake
04/09/24 12:31:29 PM
#40:


pinky0926 posted...
Cynical rant.

There's 3 levels of how much people will tell you to spend on a gaming PC.

* Level 1: The budget they use when trying to convince you that PC gaming is the way to go, particularly if they're making an impassioned argument against console gaming. Typically about $400-600.
* Level 2: The budget they tell you you should set yourself to get a good gaming experience once they're convinced you want a gaming PC. Typically $800-1000.
* Level 3: The budget you're actually left with after you realise that you needed some peripherals and after they're done telling you to swap out X part for Y part several times over, usually because "it's just slightly more money and a lot better" or "that part is being phased out and a better version comes out next month". Typically $1200-1500.
* Secret Level 4: The actual amount of money they've spent on their own set up, all while unironically claiming that PC gaming is more cost effective: $2k+


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04/09/24 12:33:01 PM
#41:


Ratchetrockon posted...
My heart says $2500


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dummy420
04/09/24 12:33:52 PM
#42:


GuerillaGorilla posted...
I like this post. I was reading the posts before this one and they're all saying lv. 4. I was thinking you can buy the next several console generations at $600 each and it would still be less then that.
You can go cheaper or more expensive. My last computer was built in 2013 with a Gpu upgrade to 1080ti and can still play ps5 gen games. I built a new computer because I wanted one and it was worth the price for me. Might be more upfront but I can play my whole library of games from back to 90s releases no problem. PC prices became really inflated with covid and a solid entry level was 800 to 1000 for the longest time.

Still it's not for everyone. Consoles are popular for a reason.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 12:37:50 PM
#44:


NoxObscuras posted...
Man, some of you guys are super jaded about PC gaming lol. TC is asking for recommendations and it's just "lol just get a console."

It's absolutely possible to build a PC on the cheap. This one for example:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78kbQP

$421 for a cheap VR capable PC. The PS5's GPU is just slightly stronger than the 3060, so it wouldn't be far off in performance.

The upside to PC gaming is that you can play both new and old games without having to buy new hardware every generation like with consoles. I spent $3000 on my PC because I wanted top of the line. But it's not mandatory at all to spend that much or to upgrade frequently.

This computer would've been very meh when most of it was new, w/ the 3060 being the only real plus. That processor is terrible - and I say that as someone who used a non-hyperthreaded Intel CPU for years.

If you only had $400 for a PC, this might be one of your few options, but I don't know that I'd ever recommend someone do that. If that's one of your options, I'd probably recommend trying to go used instead lol.

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NoxObscuras
04/09/24 12:52:45 PM
#45:


MarthGoomba posted...
3060 is stronger than a PS5
Will_VIIII posted...
IIRC the PS5 and XSX are using the equivalent of a 2070
From what people say, the PS5 is equivalent to a 2070 super (which is stronger than the 3060 on paper). They say the XSX is equivalent to a 3060ti

nekrodev posted...
This computer would've been very meh when most of it was new 3+ years ago, w/ the 3060 being the only real plus. That processor is terrible - and I say that as someone who used a non-hyperthreaded Intel CPU for years.

If you only had $400 for a PC, this might be one of your few options, but I don't know that I'd ever recommend someone do that. If that's one of your options, I'd probably recommend trying to go used instead lol.
Well my goal was just to put together a minimum kind of build. It could definitely be upgraded

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pinky0926
04/09/24 1:09:34 PM
#46:


PraetorXyn posted...
The problem is neither of you are factoring in game prices. In the long term, PC is more cost effective because games are far cheaper and you dont have to pay a monthly subscription for basic functionality like cloud saves and the ability to utilize your own internet connection to play online.

Ive got over 1000 Steam games, and I paid pennies on the dollar for most of them. Console games simply dont drop in price like that, and besides, PC has decades of backwards compatibility so theres no need to pay for a $10 PA4 to PS5 upgrade etc.

This makes sense...if you play a ton of new games, using subscription services.

If you're not, then when is your $2k gaming PC ever going to pay itself off? It's just pricey, and that's ok, but I think PC gaming enthusiasts get a little weird about this topic.

I have a PS4 and a gaming PC. The gaming PC is absolutely more expensive, and even if I squint and try to add up the cost of the games on PC, by the time it ever ends up being less expensive off it'll be obsolete. I mean there's an entire market for second hand console games, for one thing...

There's a guy at my work who makes all of these arguments for how PC gaming is better/cheaper and he makes them very seriously. He has a $4k rig that he uses to play...rocket league.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 1:15:09 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
From what people say, the PS5 is equivalent to a 2070 super (which is stronger than the 3060 on paper). They say the XSX is equivalent to a 3060ti

Well my goal was just to put together a minimum kind of build. It could definitely be upgraded

For sure, but I couldn't in good conscience recommend something like that if it was like, a friend asking me for a legit rec. I would feel bad doing that to them lol, it'd be better for me to give / sell them my old PC for like $300 or something.

I think as a base, something like - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nc9RXk - this is really what's required if you're building something NOW that's going to need to last you a while - and I would definitely prefer a better video card. Spending another $200 is going to get you much better specs and decrease the chance that you're going to have to upgrade something in another year or two.

You could cut some cost on that build still and get it below $1000, but I'm very particular w/ brands and stuff, because I've been building PCs for a long time and have been through the pain of dealing w/ RMAs w/ a lot of these companies.

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PraetorXyn
04/09/24 1:16:13 PM
#48:


pinky0926 posted...
This makes sense...if you play a ton of new games, using subscription services.

If you're not, then when is your $2k gaming PC ever going to pay itself off? It's just pricey, and that's ok, but I think PC gaming enthusiasts get a little weird about this topic.

I have a PS4 and a gaming PC. The gaming PC is absolutely more expensive, and even if I squint and try to add up the cost of the games on PC, by the time it ever ends up being less expensive off it'll be obsolete. I mean there's an entire market for second hand console games, for one thing...

There's a guy at my work who makes all of these arguments for how PC gaming is better/cheaper and he makes them very seriously. He has a $4k rig that he uses to play...rocket league.
I still play new games, just not usually at launch. Some companies I will support. I pre-ordered BG3 at full price on principle to support Larian Studios, and still havent played it yet.

Ive got a backlog literally in the hundreds, so Im in no hurry usually.

I would never pay for a subscription service for gaming. Thats the nickel and diming Im talking about.

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Bass
04/09/24 1:31:05 PM
#49:


Ratchetrockon posted...
My heart says $2500
Sounds about right to me. Maybe even more since my current GPU was $1500 alone, though.

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nekrodev
04/09/24 1:35:59 PM
#50:


Bass posted...
Sounds about right to me. Maybe even more since my current GPU was $1500 alone, though.

w/ the new nVidia cards from this year and AMDs latest, you can get a super solid GPU for under a grand now. The 4070 Ti Super I got was only like $850, and the performance for 90% of people is going to be fine - compared to spending nearly double that for a 4080 Super or triple for a 4090.

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