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UnsteadyOwl 03/29/24 7:30:19 PM #51:	I always buy physical if the option is available. I buy digital pretty rarely. If my access can be taken away at any time by someone flipping a switch on a server then I consider that basically a rental and accordingly I won't pay any more than what I'd be willing to pay to rent the game. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:979632439] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>I always buy physical if the option is available. I buy digital pretty rarely. If my access can be taken away at any time by someone flipping a switch on a server then I consider that basically a rental and accordingly I won't pay any more than what I'd be willing to pay to rent the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/29/24 7:34:09 PM #52:	In the US it's already settled law that consumers do not own their video games. If you follow Ross Scott's Dead Game News and his ongoing attempt to stop always online games on central servers being shut down forever, you'd see him gradually losing his sanity over this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqyvquTEVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAD5iMe0Xj4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0YjF2C8qyM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._Zeidenberg If you're outside the US, this is something you can still fight for but in the US this is settled law and I don't see any reality where that changes since big businsess likes it and society by in large doesn't care, --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:979632487] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>In the US it's already settled law that consumers do not own their video games.If you follow Ross Scott's Dead Game News and his ongoing attempt to stop always online games on central servers being shut down forever, you'd see him gradually losing his sanity over this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqyvquTEVUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAD5iMe0Xj4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0YjF2C8qyMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._ZeidenbergIf you're outside the US, this is something you can still fight for but in the US this is settled law and I don't see any reality where that changes since big businsess likes it and society by in large doesn't care, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 03/29/24 10:10:26 PM #53:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Who cares? Just go to whokeys and use discount code TS25, and you can get a new key of Windows 11 Pro OEM for less than $25. They are legitimate keys. Thats about the price range Microsoft charges OEMs for them. Dont be a sucker and let them mark you up to $216 or whatever they sell it for. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:979634997] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Who cares? Just go to whokeys and use discount code TS25, and you can get a new key of Windows 11 Pro OEM for less than $25.They are legitimate keys. Thats about the price range Microsoft charges OEMs for them. Dont be a sucker and let them mark you up to $216 or whatever they sell it for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PraetorXyn 03/29/24 10:19:46 PM #55:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] The one thing Ill recommend is to not do an upgrade. If at all possible, backup your important data (documents, pictures, config files, etc.), then just do a clean install and restore your data / reinstall your stuff when its done. If you do an in-place upgrade youll have issues even going from 10 to 11, much less from 7 to 11. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:979635113] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> The one thing Ill recommend is to not do an upgrade. If at all possible, backup your important data (documents, pictures, config files, etc.), then just do a clean install and restore your data / reinstall your stuff when its done. If you do an in-place upgrade youll have issues even going from 10 to 11, much less from 7 to 11. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LonelyStoner 03/29/24 10:20:35 PM #56:	Buy physical, and not from Blizzard. --- He's all alone through the day and night. <cite>LonelyStoner posted [p:979635123] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Buy physical, and not from Blizzard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smallville 03/29/24 11:26:09 PM #58:	Mr_Karate_II posted... you'd think there'd be some legislation to protect us consumers against shit like Microsoft is currently trying to pull along with other companies. I hate to admit that I own 70+ digital games and knowing one day I can lose access to them for some arbitrary reason makes me sick. This is why I will never pay full price for a digital game or even a physical copy because even with those you still don't actually own the game, it's a license/key and nothing more. Yeah so you buy a digital game from Sony or PSN and they go under you won't own it anymore? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:979635866] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted... </cite><quote>you'd think there'd be some legislation to protect us consumers against shit like Microsoft is currently trying to pull along with other companies.I hate to admit that I own 70+ digital games and knowing one day I can lose access to them for some arbitrary reason makes me sick.This is why I will never pay full price for a digital game or even a physical copy because even with those you still don't actually own the game, it's a license/key and nothing more.</quote>Yeah so you buy a digital game from Sony or PSN and they go under you won't own it anymore? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rwbonesy 03/30/24 12:38:42 AM #59:	Tyranthraxus posted... Oh... Well you can always just download and install Windows 11 straight from Microsoft for free. They'll get pissy after a month and turn your wallpaper black and some letters in the corner that says "plz license this OS" but they let you keep using it. fun fact about that shit. apparently the watermark will fuck with game performance because windows is a crock of shit. https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html#DriversAndOS under multiplane overlays and windows watermark --- video games \| aka vhbonesy, vbonesy, bonesy, etc \| watch thunderbolt fantasy <cite>rwbonesy posted [p:979636665] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Oh... Well you can always just download and install Windows 11 straight from Microsoft for free. They'll get pissy after a month and turn your wallpaper black and some letters in the corner that says "plz license this OS" but they let you keep using it.</quote>fun fact about that shit. apparently the watermark will fuck with game performance because windows is a crock of shit. https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html#DriversAndOS under multiplane overlays and windows watermark </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 03/30/24 1:21:00 AM #60:	NihonOctopus posted... Why not just update to Windows 10 or 11? >_> Because my PC from 2016 had a non-supported CPU and I would have to upgrade the entire system to get W11. It still works well and I can play most things medium to high, but in October 2025 my Windows no longer get updates. <cite>Zwijn posted [p:979637023] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>NihonOctopus posted... </cite><quote>Why not just update to Windows 10 or 11? >_></quote>Because my PC from 2016 had a non-supported CPU and I would have to upgrade the entire system to get W11. It still works well and I can play most things medium to high, but in October 2025 my Windows no longer get updates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 03/30/24 1:25:07 AM #61:	UnfairRepresent posted... In the US it's already settled law that consumers do not own their video games. If you follow Ross Scott's Dead Game News and his ongoing attempt to stop always online games on central servers being shut down forever, you'd see him gradually losing his sanity over this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqyvquTEVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAD5iMe0Xj4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0YjF2C8qyM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._Zeidenberg If you're outside the US, this is something you can still fight for but in the US this is settled law and I don't see any reality where that changes since big businsess likes it and society by in large doesn't care, Thank you, I posted about this in post #7 but I didn't get the chance to put up the links. --- Aren't we all just a series of tubes? <cite>Torgo posted [p:979637051] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite><quote>In the US it's already settled law that consumers do not own their video games.If you follow Ross Scott's Dead Game News and his ongoing attempt to stop always online games on central servers being shut down forever, you'd see him gradually losing his sanity over this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqyvquTEVUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAD5iMe0Xj4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0YjF2C8qyMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._ZeidenbergIf you're outside the US, this is something you can still fight for but in the US this is settled law and I don't see any reality where that changes since big businsess likes it and society by in large doesn't care,</quote>Thank you, I posted about this in post #7 but I didn't get the chance to put up the links. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 03/30/24 1:54:49 AM #62:	I used to care more about this in the past but since I learned about gamesharing I basically went full digital. Saves me more money than by buying and trading in, I barely replay stuff anyway and once a system is written off entirely I mod it anyway. <cite>Zwijn posted [p:979637278] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>I used to care more about this in the past but since I learned about gamesharing I basically went full digital. Saves me more money than by buying and trading in, I barely replay stuff anyway and once a system is written off entirely I mod it anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 03/30/24 6:42:17 AM #63:	Tyranthraxus posted... Buy GOG. Make offline backups. No one can ever take that away from you GOG is my first preference for purchasing games for this very reason. --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:979638995] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Buy GOG. Make offline backups. No one can ever take that away from you</quote>GOG is my first preference for purchasing games for this very reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 03/30/24 7:28:24 AM #64:	so it is true though? if sony goes under you will lose all your digital games? like ones you installed on your console, but others..... --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:979639252] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>so it is true though? if sony goes under you will lose all your digital games? like ones you installed on your console, but others..... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TommyVercetti 03/30/24 7:46:15 AM #66:	Smallville posted... so it is true though? if sony goes under you will lose all your digital games? like ones you installed on your console, but others..... idk....isn't this true? <cite>TommyVercetti posted [p:979639396] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so it is true though? if sony goes under you will lose all your digital games? like ones you installed on your console, but others.....</quote>idk....isn't this true?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/30/24 8:59:50 AM #67:	Smallville posted... so it is true though? if sony goes under you will lose all your digital games? like ones you installed on your console, but others..... I feel like this won't ever really happen because if Sony did "go under" SOMEBODY would buy them on the cheap. Especially if they could cop just the SCE division and not all the other bullshit like music or electronics. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:979640008] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so it is true though? if sony goes under you will lose all your digital games? like ones you installed on your console, but others.....</quote>I feel like this won't ever really happen because if Sony did "go under" SOMEBODY would buy them on the cheap. Especially if they could cop just the SCE division and not all the other bullshit like music or electronics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ragtag28 03/30/24 9:08:00 AM #68:	You guys need to work together and get the shit illegal instead of coming to forums and complaining all the time. The sole reason gaming corporations do this type of ish is because the gaming community is so easy to exploit. You guys don't fight back. You just sit there and take it. We are just as much as the problem as the corporations that abuse us. --- My friend code is: 2842-5212-7233 LF: Laptop, wall mounted tv(black) wide screen t.v. 60 in(black) box corner sofa set(white) <cite>Ragtag28 posted [p:979640098] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>You guys need to work together and get the shit illegal instead of coming to forums and complaining all the time. The sole reason gaming corporations do this type of ish is because the gaming community is so easy to exploit. You guys don't fight back. You just sit there and take it. We are just as much as the problem as the corporations that abuse us. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 03/30/24 9:10:01 AM #69:	Ragtag28 posted... You guys need to work together and get the shit illegal instead of coming to forums and complaining all the time. The sole reason gaming corporations do this type of ish is because the gaming community is so easy to exploit. You guys don't fight back. You just sit there and take it. We are just as much as the problem as the corporations that abuse us. Im not going back to paying more for videogames. Even the biggest deal for physical isnt going to save me 50% of new price day 1. <cite>Zwijn posted [p:979640117] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Ragtag28 posted... </cite><quote>You guys need to work together and get the shit illegal instead of coming to forums and complaining all the time. The sole reason gaming corporations do this type of ish is because the gaming community is so easy to exploit. You guys don't fight back. You just sit there and take it. We are just as much as the problem as the corporations that abuse us.</quote>Im not going back to paying more for videogames. Even the biggest deal for physical isnt going to save me 50% of new price day 1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hereforemnant 03/30/24 9:16:27 AM #70:	"If purchasing isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." Speaking strictly morally after all since corporations have rigged copyright & IP laws against consumers. The EU & AUS also fight a lot harder for legislation protecting things like that than the US does. <cite>hereforemnant posted [p:979640166] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>"If purchasing isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing."Speaking strictly morally after all since corporations have rigged copyright & IP laws against consumers. The EU & AUS also fight a lot harder for legislation protecting things like that than the US does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 03/30/24 9:47:23 AM #71:	hereforemnant posted... "If purchasing isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." Speaking strictly morally after all since corporations have rigged copyright & IP laws against consumers. The EU & AUS also fight a lot harder for legislation protecting things like that than the US does. so is eu much tougher than u.s. on stuff like piracy ..etc...? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:979640490] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>hereforemnant posted... </cite><quote>"If purchasing isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing."Speaking strictly morally after all since corporations have rigged copyright & IP laws against consumers. The EU & AUS also fight a lot harder for legislation protecting things like that than the US does.</quote>so is eu much tougher than u.s. on stuff like piracy ..etc...? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hereforemnant 03/30/24 9:52:11 AM #72:	Smallville posted... so is eu much tougher than u.s. on stuff like piracy ..etc...? Not exactly, just that they're more protective of consumer's rights to own the media or items they purchase. Right to repair is more heavily enforced, but America is such a capitalist shit hole that we can't legislate to protect media or consumer's rights because all the politicians are bought off & lobbying is legal bribery. <cite>hereforemnant posted [p:979640543] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so is eu much tougher than u.s. on stuff like piracy ..etc...?</quote>Not exactly, just that they're more protective of consumer's rights to own the media or items they purchase. Right to repair is more heavily enforced, but America is such a capitalist shit hole that we can't legislate to protect media or consumer's rights because all the politicians are bought off & lobbying is legal bribery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 03/30/24 9:54:14 AM #73:	hereforemnant posted... Not exactly, just that they're more protective of consumer's rights to own the media or items they purchase. Right to repair is more heavily enforced, but America is such a capitalist shit hole that we can't legislate to protect media or consumer's rights because all the politicians are bought off & lobbying is legal bribery. so it is the opposite? eu much better for that stuff. What do you mean, right to repair, consoles, and phones? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:979640564] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>hereforemnant posted... </cite><quote>Not exactly, just that they're more protective of consumer's rights to own the media or items they purchase. Right to repair is more heavily enforced, but America is such a capitalist shit hole that we can't legislate to protect media or consumer's rights because all the politicians are bought off & lobbying is legal bribery.</quote>so it is the opposite? eu much better for that stuff. What do you mean, right to repair, consoles, and phones? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 03/31/24 6:44:23 AM #74:	Smallville posted... so it is the opposite? eu much better for that stuff. What do you mean, right to repair, consoles, and phones? A few places have strong consumer protection laws like that. --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:979656067] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so it is the opposite? eu much better for that stuff. What do you mean, right to repair, consoles, and phones?</quote>A few places have strong consumer protection laws like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 03/31/24 7:17:17 AM #75:	Smallville posted... so it is the opposite? eu much better for that stuff. What do you mean, right to repair, consoles, and phones? The EU being tougher on piracy than the US is a different subject altogether and it's down to individual countries on what they want to enforce. Consumer rights are higher in the EU (and UK) than they are in America. As for right to repair: https://therestartproject.org/right-to-repair-uk/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_repair tl;dr - Everyone should have the right to repair any electronic devices they own and not be dictated to by the manufacturer (coughApplecough) what they can do with it. <cite>Trelve posted [p:979656256] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so it is the opposite? eu much better for that stuff. What do you mean, right to repair, consoles, and phones?</quote>The EU being tougher on piracy than the US is a different subject altogether and it's down to individual countries on what they want to enforce. Consumer rights are higher in the EU (and UK) than they are in America. As for right to repair: https://therestartproject.org/right-to-repair-uk/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_repairtl;dr - Everyone should have the right to repair any electronic devices they own and not be dictated to by the manufacturer (coughApplecough) what they can do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ragtag28 03/31/24 8:38:21 AM #76:	Trelve posted... The EU being tougher on piracy than the US is a different subject altogether and it's down to individual countries on what they want to enforce. Consumer rights are higher in the EU (and UK) than they are in America. As for right to repair: https://therestartproject.org/right-to-repair-uk/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_repair tl;dr - Everyone should have the right to repair any electronic devices they own and not be dictated to by the manufacturer (coughApplecough) what they can do with it. Sounds like Europe has its shit together. --- My friend code is: 2842-5212-7233 LF: Laptop, wall mounted tv(black) wide screen t.v. 60 in(black) box corner sofa set(white) <cite>Ragtag28 posted [p:979656807] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite><quote>The EU being tougher on piracy than the US is a different subject altogether and it's down to individual countries on what they want to enforce. Consumer rights are higher in the EU (and UK) than they are in America. As for right to repair: https://therestartproject.org/right-to-repair-uk/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_repairtl;dr - Everyone should have the right to repair any electronic devices they own and not be dictated to by the manufacturer (coughApplecough) what they can do with it.</quote>Sounds like Europe has its shit together. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 03/31/24 8:44:29 AM #77:	Ragtag28 posted... Sounds like Europe has its shit together. Yes and no. Theyre really dragging their feet on nature and environmental laws, mainly because of the strong farmers lobbies and governments caving to terrorism. <cite>Zwijn posted [p:979656841] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Ragtag28 posted... </cite><quote>Sounds like Europe has its shit together.</quote>Yes and no. Theyre really dragging their feet on nature and environmental laws, mainly because of the strong farmers lobbies and governments caving to terrorism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 03/31/24 8:50:50 AM #78:	Ricemills posted... Don't buy them. The only message they understand is money. This mindset really doesn't work for anything because people don't stop buying...anything out of principle. Except maybe magas boycotting shit because it's woke. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:979656895] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite><quote>Don't buy them.The only message they understand is money.</quote>This mindset really doesn't work for anything because people don't stop buying...anything out of principle.Except maybe magas boycotting shit because it's woke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 03/31/24 8:52:54 AM #79:	LeoRavus posted... This mindset really doesn't work for anything because people don't stop buying...anything out of principle. Except maybe magas boycotting shit because it's woke. Didnt they buy Hogwarts Legacy which ended up being pretty fucking woke after all? <cite>Zwijn posted [p:979656917] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>This mindset really doesn't work for anything because people don't stop buying...anything out of principle.Except maybe magas boycotting shit because it's woke.</quote>Didnt they buy Hogwarts Legacy which ended up being pretty fucking woke after all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cobra1010 03/31/24 8:56:47 AM #80:	Zwijn posted... Didnt they buy Hogwarts Legacy which ended up being pretty fucking woke after all? It was very noticable because each teacher was of a different ethnicity exactly like they were checking off a check list. And this was in the 1800s. And there was a transperson in the game. I wonder if gunplagirl got the game after finding out lol. --- Load me into the matrix and dont pull the plug <cite>Cobra1010 posted [p:979656952] in How do we ... [t:80733970]...</cite> <quote>Zwijn posted... </cite><quote>Didnt they buy Hogwarts Legacy which ended up being pretty fucking woke after all?</quote>It was very noticable because each teacher was of a different ethnicity exactly like they were checking off a check list. And this was in the 1800s. And there was a transperson in the game. I wonder if gunplagirl got the game after finding out lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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