Current Events > Israel/Palestina War XIV - The Big Attack on Rafah?

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This is a picture of an apartment Israel struck in Syria, killing only the two occupants.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7c94e014.jpg

This is a picture of Gaza, one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/218064a8.jpg

Why does a military with the capability of sniping two people with a missile need to level neighborhoods to eliminate their targets? Why do they wield a sledgehammer so irresponsibly when they're capable of surgical precision with a scalpel?

Samurontai posted...

Using an example that personal is disingenuous as fuck, just saying. Also the circumstances are completely different. I don't think I've ever seen a worse analogy before in my life. You are comparing a scenario in which I actively know that someone is holding my mom hostage, to an active war zone in which Hamas prevents civilians from leaving after Israel warns them to.

Thank you for proving my point. Israel does not even view any life of a Palestinian as worth caring about. Palestinians are simply cannon fodder.

Also thank you for proving that the Israelis don't actually give a shit about their own Hostages, since they do know that they are holding their own Hostages there, and continue to bomb indiscriminately.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Civillian targets are not legitamate targets.

Probably because of all the other times where they gave their "warnings" (those warnings are complete bullshit), they somehow, magically happened to still kill civillians.

Are you suggesting that Israel see that their strikes kill civillians and then put zero consideration into avoiding that for future strikes?

You're just wrong. Civilians can be legitimate targets.

"Under the laws of war, civilians may not be deliberately targeted, although they may still be killed or injured if this happens as part of a proportionate attack on a military target."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/armed-conflict/#:~:text=Under%20the%20laws%20of%20war,attack%20on%20a%20military%20target.

Is Hamas shoots rockets from an area, or operates out of an area, and Israel bombs that area, it is proportionate.

Also can you post any proof that Israels warnings are non-existent, I can't find any (outside of Al Jazeera and Hamas)

bfslick50 posted...

The courts didn't say those events don't count as genocide. The courts said nothing because they work on the timeframe of years. The courts haven't called it a genocide because courts are slow. Pretending the courts agree with you is disingenuous. Anyone who understands how the international courts work should not expect them to have a decision as of yet regardless of what's happening.

And expecting that they are just going to call it a genocide as soon as that time frame hits, is being just as disingenuous.

darkace77450 posted...

This is a picture of an apartment Israel struck in Syria, killing only the two occupants.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7c94e014.jpg

This is a picture of Gaza, one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/218064a8.jpg

Why does a military with the capability of sniping two people with a missile need to level neighborhoods to eliminate their targets? Why do they wield a sledgehammer so irresponsibly when they're capable of surgical precision with a scalpel?

You are comparing an active warzone involving two militaries, to a precision strike operation that took place in an entirely different country, and in a war that Israel isn't directly involved in. Idk why you all make such odd comparisons.

NoMeLx22x posted...

Thank you for proving my point. Israel does not even view any life of a Palestinian as worth caring about. Palestinians are simply cannon fodder.

Also thank you for proving that the Israelis don't actually give a shit about their own Hostages, since they do know that they are holding their own Hostages there, and continue to bomb indiscriminately.

Then why hasn't Hamas claimed that Israel is the reason they can't negotiate a ceasefire (for not having enough alive hostages), seems like something they would capitalize on like... incredibly swiftly. Also if Israel doesn't consider them as people, then why are they letting any aid through at all? Why have any safe zones period? Why have any restraint? Idk, seems like a lot of things they are doing to stop the annihilation of an entire people.

Anyway, time for me to log off. I can't spend the next 6 hours or so proving that Israel isn't committing a genocide, it is exhausting. Have a good night guys. Remember, supporting a group that's actively stated that their end goal is the extermination of all jewish people is pretty bad. It almost happened back in the 40's we shouldn't let it happen now, for sure!

Samurontai posted...

Also if Israel doesn't consider them as people, then why are they letting any aid through at all?

Because their weapons supplier is demanding they do so. Try to keep up.

Samurontai posted...

Remember, supporting a group that's actively stated that their end goal is the extermination of all jewish people is pretty bad.

Cite one person ITT supporting Hamas.

Samurontai posted...

Also if Israel doesn't consider them as people, then why are they letting any aid through at all? Why have any safe zones period? Why have any restraint? Idk, seems like a lot of things they are doing to stop the annihilation of an entire people.

Because they have to make the appearance of giving a shit. They're already losing enough support across the globe for their actions, if they make a deliberate attempt to go over the line in their brutality they risk actually losing the dumbasses that still believe that they are doing this justifiably.

darkace77450 posted...

Cite one person ITT supporting Hamas.

"Hamas doesn't use human shields :^)" also the quickness to condemn Israel for civilian casualties while refusing to acknowledge that Hamas purposefully puts them in harms way. It's telling. And here I thought only the far right was full of anti-semites. Also the ignoring the fact that most Palestinians support Hamas, and what happened on Oct 7th (as of earlier this year) according to polls, yet condemning Israeli's because of polls.

NoMeLx22x posted...

Because they have to make the appearance of giving a shit. They're already losing enough support across the globe for their actions, if they make a deliberate attempt to go over the line in their brutality they risk actually losing the dumbasses that still believe that they are doing this justifiably.

Why would they care about appearances if it's so "apparent" that they're committing a genocide. Seems like they're far past that point, doesn't it? lol. A little late to the punch or whatever

Samurontai posted...

And expecting that they are just going to call it a genocide as soon as that time frame hits, is being just as disingenuous.

The future is uncertain and none of us definitively know how they'll rule, but anyone that gives a fuck on how they rule would want an immediate cease fire once they declared it a plausible genocide. That's a serious fucking label that doesn't get routinely applied while they investigate every incident.

Samurontai posted...

I can't spend the next 6 hours or so proving that Israel isn't committing a genocide

We know you cant.

Plenty of actual educated scholars and historians have already proven that they are committing one.

bfslick50 posted...

The future is uncertain and none of us definitively know how they'll rule, but anyone that gives a fuck on how they rule would want an immediate cease fire once they declared it a plausible genocide. That's a serious fucking label that doesn't get routinely applied while they investigate every incident.

Yes, you're right. And every time Israel negotiates for a ceasefire, Hamas refuses.

NoMeLx22x posted...

We know you cant.

Plenty of actual educated scholars and historians have already proven that they are committing one.

I'm so glad we don't delegate court of law to historians and scholars. I'm half black, I probably wouldn't exist if that were the case.

Samurontai posted...

Using an example that personal is disingenuous as f***, just saying. Also the circumstances are completely different. I don't think I've ever seen a worse analogy before in my life. You are comparing a scenario in which I actively know that someone is holding my mom hostage, to an active war zone in which Hamas prevents civilians from leaving after Israel warns them to.

Yea totally different. One is Hamas holding people of a different ethnicity against their will and the other is Hamas not letting people of the same ethnicity leave. Or maybe that is the same fucking thing, but the people labeled human shields are lives you don't value and the people labeled hostages are lives you do value.

This is just like in the movies where the bad guy grabs a bystander as a human shield, so the hero blows up the entire neighborhood.

Samurontai posted...

I can't spend the next 6 hours or so proving that Israel isn't committing a genocide, it is exhausting.

At least say the Uyghur genocide is a genocide.

Samurontai posted...

"Hamas doesn't use human shields

And again...no one said that you liar. I even made a post (216) where I said NO to that question. No wonder you take everything the IDF says as truth...you lie as much as they do.

Samurontai posted...

You're just wrong. Civilians can be legitimate targets.

"Under the laws of war, civilians may not be deliberately targeted, although they may still be killed or injured if this happens as part of a proportionate attack on a military target."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/armed-conflict/#:~:text=Under%20the%20laws%20of%20war,attack%20on%20a%20military%20target.

If Hamas shoots rockets from an area, or operates out of an area, and Israel bombs that area, it is proportionate.

Also can you post any proof that Israels warnings are non-existent, I can't find any (outside of Al Jazeera and Hamas)

The pure evil of this entire post is almost beyond comprehension. No one on this site has ever made it more clear he doesn't even see Palestinians as human beings.

We got a whole ass war criminal posting on CE.

*checks account*

Nvm.

Samurontai posted...

The only information I can get about Israel "attacking hospitals" is when they're literally being shot out of and used as a base of operations, at which point they are legitimate targets. Also Israel has been allowing aid, food, and medical supplies, so, wrong? It's been coming through Jordan, for a while now actually.

Do you know how to use CNN or Reuters or AP or Google. Do have you looked at a landing page in the last six months for any of these out lets?

Samurontai posted...

By... posting proof that Israel isn't committing genocide according to these rules? I mean, I guess if you want to put it that way, then sure lol.

Bwa-haha! You think you've posted proof genocide isn't happening? Amazing.

Samurontai posted...

Except prior to Oct 7th, Gaza had one of the highest obesity rates on the planet. Also Gaza is not even close to the most densely populated area in the world. It's "One of the" sure, but that still puts it like... above the number 50 spot? By some accounts, by a big margin as well.

"There's no genocide because they're fat, happy, and breeding," is a take. A bad one.

Samurontai posted...

Also I never concluded it wasn't a genocide, I simply said that no courts have called it a genocide as of yet.

South Africa's case to the ICJ had the ICJ tell Israel to stop doing genocidal things and to take measures to make sure they don't do any more genocidal things.

I'm sure this has been pointed out to you in the last two hours.

Samurontai posted...

Most of the reasons tend to be because Hamas militants made them legitimate targets by using them to stage attacks, lol.

"Genocide is okay, because HAMAS!" is also a bad take.

Samurontai posted...

You're just wrong. Civilians can be legitimate targets.

"Under the laws of war, civilians may not be deliberately targeted, although they may still be killed or injured if this happens as part of a proportionate attack on a military target."

There's a difference between understood collateral damage and "legitimate targets." And you've literally just said civilians are legitimate targets.

Are you actually down for killing the Palestinians? Are they all fair game, "BECAUSE HAMAS!" justifies it?

Samurontai posted...

then why are they letting any aid through at all?

They weren't. For months. Every gram of aid that gets through today has been pulling teeth from Israel, and has resulted in kilograms not seeing the hands of Palestinians, except when it's been covered in Palestinian blood when, for example, Israel opened fire on people coming to get the aid from them.

Funny that, don't you think?

Samurontai posted...

Why have any safe zones period?

Safe zones, like refugee camps and evacuation routes and aid convoy routes that have been negotiated, that still keep getting bombed?

What safe zones?

Samurontai posted...

Yes, you're right. And every time Israel negotiates for a ceasefire, Hamas refuses.

Absolute disinformation. Israel loves to break ceasefires just as often as hamas.

https://imeu.org/article/self-defense-or-provocation-israels-history-of-breaking-ceasefires

Smashingpmkns posted...

We got a whole ass war criminal posting on CE.

*checks account*

Nvm.

Pleasant surprise to catch up to. And it'll be a while until his alt can come online and "debate" this again.

Honestly the moment someone tries to downplay what's happening in Palestine, it should be an instant ban at this point. There's just no excuse for someone on CE to not know better. A random uninformed citizen off the street, maybe, but not someone who's been active in the relevant topics on here.

I wake up to 100 messages of "achtuaally it is no genocide, and civilian casualties are acceptable, because every adult male are Hamas and everybody over 4 are antisemite, unlike Syria where Israel threw a missile at an apartment and only killed military targets" crap?

Foppe posted...

I wake up to 100 messages of "achtuaally it is no genocide, and civilian casualties are acceptable, because every adult male are Hamas and everybody over 4 are antisemite, unlike Syria where Israel threw a missile at an apartment and only killed military targets" crap?

I started work, checked in on my break a couple of hours later, and there were about that many new posts. I assumed something big must've gone down but nope... Just another Israel shill earning himself a suspension.

Israeli forces have carried out another night of raids throughout the occupied West Bank, with multiple persons killed. The raids have taken place in the following areas:

• Town of Idhna, west of Hebron
• Fara camp near Tubas
• Tulkarem city
• Qalqilya city
• Town of al-Fandaqumiya, south of Jenin
• Town of Deir Istiya, northwest of Salfit
• Town of Sebastia, northwest of Nablus

They also shot at an ambulance that was responding to reports of casualties, while a volunteer paramedic inside the vehicle was beaten and arrested.

More aid is supposed to be entering the Gaza Strip. Why isnt it helping?

Under heavy U.S. pressure, Israel has promised to ramp up aid to Gaza dramatically, saying last week it would open another cargo crossing and surge more trucks than ever before into the besieged enclave.

But days later, there are few signs of those promises materializing and international officials say starvation is widespread in hard-hit northern Gaza.

Samantha Power, administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development, said this week she accepted credible reports that famine is now occurring in the area and urged Israel to take further steps to expedite humanitarian aid shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-war-hamas-aid-trucks-unrwa-30173642b5c298c829f1457db357071e

An important excerpt:

But Israeli officials this week dropped the plan to open Erez. Instead, they say a new crossing will be built, though it is unclear when it will open. The Ashdod port, meanwhile, is not yet accepting aid shipments and Gaza aid groups report no significant increase in trucks received at their warehouses.

...so the promises made after Biden's phone call last week have been mostly hot air.

Reminder that the ICJ has ordered Israel to take measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza, including opening more land crossings to allow in aid trucks.

Sandalorn posted...

Oh shit. Ok Full mask off. We have a true hard-right believer here. It's Eagles on steroids. .

I got em marked as a Israel shill.

But Israeli officials this week dropped the plan to open Erez. Instead, they say a new crossing will be built, though it is unclear when it will open.

They'll open the new crossing right after Trump releases his 2015 tax returns.

darkace77450 posted...

They'll open the new crossing right after Trump releases his 2015 tax returns.

Hey... they need that new crossing when they are going to rebuild Gaza... for Israeli settlements!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/west-bank-village-stormed-by-israeli-settlers-intl/index.html

Don't worry the Israeli army deployed and made sure no settler was harmed as they raided the Palestinian village.

Zoks posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/west-bank-village-stormed-by-israeli-settlers-intl/index.html

Don't worry the Israeli army deployed and made sure no settler was harmed as they raided the Palestinian village.

Its absolutely ridiculous they can just do this whenever they feel like it.

Zoks posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/west-bank-village-stormed-by-israeli-settlers-intl/index.html

Don't worry the Israeli army deployed and made sure no settler was harmed as they raided the Palestinian village.

A literal lynch mob

According to Abu-Alia, Israeli security forces had informed Palestinian officials that the settlers were looking for an Israeli teenager who had gone missing earlier in the day.

He estimated that between 1,000 and 1,200 settlers surrounded the village, and around 500 stormed it just after midday local time on Friday, blocking all the roads in the area.

1,700 people seems a bit large for a lynch mob. That's about the size of an Israeli battalion!

The settlers attacked the village, raided homes, and fired guns at residents, he said. Videos obtained by CNN show parts of the village burning, with smoke billowing over several buildings and settlers lobbing rocks. Houses and cars are seen completely burned up, with sounds of gunfire and clashes heard in the background.

According to Abu-Alia, the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged.

And there's the actual army supporting them, to nobody's surprise.

Covenant posted...

1,700 people seems a bit large for a lynch mob. That's about the size of an Israeli battalion!

Synonyms, really.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/12/tone-deaf-port-arthur-massacre-survivor- criticises-peter-duttons-comparison-to-pro-palestine-protest

Australia's idiotic hard right opposition leader is being called out for comparing a pro-Palestine protest on Oct 9 with Australia's worst mass shooting which killed 35 people.

Another day, another attack on journalists and refugee camps.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/04/israel-hamas-war-several-journalists -injured-in-attack-on-gaza-refugee-camp-including-cnn-camera-operator.html

Trumble posted...

Another day, another attack on journalists and refugee camps.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/04/israel-hamas-war-several-journalists -injured-in-attack-on-gaza-refugee-camp-including-cnn-camera-operator.html

Isreal got the right to protect itself from bad publicity!!!

Can't have bad publicity if they kill everyone reporting. -_-

Link in post 288 did not work but https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/israeli-attack-nuseirat-gaza-journalists-injured-intl/index.html

CobraGT posted...

Link in post 288 did not work but https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/israeli-attack-nuseirat-gaza-journalists-injured-intl/index.html

I might've broken it while trying to add the space to keep GameFAQs happy.

Here's a TinyURL link to it: https://tinyurl.com/ye24yw2m

didn't know slobodan milosevic was on CE

Iran took over a container ship owned by an Israeli.
Biden had to cancel his mini-vacation, he intended to visit his hometown this weekend.

Things can escalate.

Foppe posted...

Iran took over a container ship owned by an Israeli.
Biden had to cancel his mini-vacation, he intended to visit his hometown this weekend.

Things can escalate.

I mean as you say yeah it can escalate still, but that's actually a far more restrained approach than I was expecting.

Foppe posted...

Iran took over a container ship owned by an Israeli.
Biden had to cancel his mini-vacation, he intended to visit his hometown this weekend.

Things can escalate.

You know what. Israel assassinated that guy so they can fucking have that ship.

Iran just sent drones towards Israel.

Does Iran have a right to defend itself, or is that reserved for countries we like?

Foppe posted...

Iran just sent drones towards Israel.

According to the IDF.

No one has confirmed this information and well Israel lies a lot.

darkace77450 posted...

Does Iran have a right to defend itself, or is that reserved for countries we like?

The argument by Israel is that the embassies attacked were military targets and were involved in some shady stuff to do with Hamas / Hezbollah.

I know weve heard this before. Just giving the reasoning give. Although its kinda hard for me to feel for Iran being picked on considering their involvement around the ME with funding certain groups. Hezbollah. Hamas. Huthies etc. Im sure some people will assume me saying this makes me an Israeli shill or something. But its entirely possible to accept Iran AND Israel have done questionable things in recent times.