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darkmaian23 03/23/24 4:39:37 AM #1: |
No, really.
https://www.reddit.com/r/technews/comments/1blcn9o/feds_ordered_google_to_unmask_certain_youtube/ Sorry for the Reddit link, but the article has a paywall I haven't been able to bypass, and I haven't yet seen coverage elsewhere with no paywall. --- Cuteness is justice! It's the law. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naysaspace 03/23/24 4:40:18 AM #2: |
the sky is OFFICIALLY falling
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darkmaian23 03/23/24 5:04:11 AM #3: |
Naysaspace posted...
the sky is OFFICIALLY fallingIf you bothered to click the link and read the text of the article, you'd see that they requested the data of anyone who had viewed a legal Youtube video because they suspected a suspect in a criminal investigation had viewed the video. That's not a minor thing, and experts don't think it's constitutional either. --- Cuteness is justice! It's the law. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 03/23/24 5:06:48 AM #4: |
darkmaian23 posted...
If you bothered to click the link and read the text of the article, you'd see that they requested the data of anyone who had viewed a legal Youtube video because they suspected a suspect in a criminal investigation had viewed the video. That's not a minor thing, and experts don't think it's constitutional either.Is it some super obscure video? Cause anything that actually got views would be literally useless. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Rial 03/23/24 5:09:11 AM #5: |
Feds Ordered Google To Unmask Certain YouTube Users. Critics Say Its Terrifying. --- I use Google... A lot.... >______> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkmaian23 03/24/24 8:15:50 PM #6: |
https://mashable.com/article/google-ordered-to-hand-over-viewer-data-privacy-concerns
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Guide 03/24/24 8:17:35 PM #7: |
I mean... No shit.
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darkmaian23 03/25/24 2:32:38 AM #8: |
Guide posted...
I mean... No shit.You mean before opening this topic you thought that a federal judge would allow the government to compel Google to hand over the personal information of every person who watched a legal Youtube video? --- Cuteness is justice! It's the law. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainsawFerret 03/25/24 2:53:39 AM #9: |
Yeah, that's gonna be a lawsuit.
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FL81 03/26/24 2:02:47 PM #10: |
There should be no presumption of privacy when using Google's services
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WingsOfGood 03/26/24 2:09:42 PM #11: |
Guessing this will be used to help media conglomerates prosecute people who viewed an uploaded movie or scene from a movie. This is what happens when corporate interesrs are allowes to make laws. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alucard188 03/26/24 2:17:48 PM #12: |
FL81 posted...
There should be no presumption of privacy when using Google's services That's literally not the point here. The point is whether police and government services can force a private company to hand over consumer data using a very broadly defined search warrant. Just assume the government is spying on you. Just don't watch these videos of horrible things happening in real time or the government is going to collect that data for cross-referencing and extra judicial review. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bandit_Keith 03/26/24 6:47:26 PM #13: |
I'm sure this is a "slippery slope" that people are complaining against, but what actually happened versus what people are claiming has happened are two very different things. The government isn't just getting warrants for any video they want to know who watched it. They sent a specific target some links to specific videos and they know the subject of the investigation watched them within that specific time frame.
So the ask was for anyone who watched all of the videos they sent the target during the exact time frame. Personally, I think even then my issue is, How is this any different than "We(government) want to know who checked out these books in this time span" because I'm pretty sure my reading habits are none of the governments business either. What I watch, what I read, what I listen to. None of this is any of your business. This is just a continuation of that, and I didn't like that back in the day, and I don't like this now. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Null_Gain 03/26/24 6:49:04 PM #14: |
Would the video previews that auto-play as you scroll count as a view?
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Ratchetrockon 03/26/24 6:53:31 PM #15: |
Damn wtf
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LeoRavus 03/26/24 6:54:15 PM #16: |
I watch a lot of those crime videos. The feds probably think I'm trying to learn the system to get away with some nefarious shit.
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coolguyjimmy 03/26/24 7:11:07 PM #17: |
I'm sorry, but you've watched Three Mr Beast Videos in a row, then watched the Cerveza Cristal advert twice in a row -- and that combination of videos is a precursor to crime, and thus for the good of the country, we're going to be sentencing you to 5 years, without parole, for the crime you are statistical likely to commit. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Serious_Cat 03/26/24 8:06:17 PM #18: |
FL81 posted...
There should be no presumption of privacy when using Google's services https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US There absolutely should be. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkmaian23 03/26/24 8:55:44 PM #19: |
Alucard188 posted...
Just don't watch these videos of horrible things happening in real time or the government is going to collect that data for cross-referencing and extra judicial review.The video in question was perfectly legal, the police just had reason to believe that a suspect had viewed the video so they wanted information on everyone who watched it to try and find this person. They could do this for any video or content at any time. That shouldn't be possible. --- Cuteness is justice! It's the law. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Link_of_time 03/26/24 9:06:40 PM #20: |
Not that I'm for this, but how is this different from every other time they've requested user data? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vyrulisse 03/26/24 9:10:58 PM #21: |
But Tiktok is the danger to your information and security.
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Link_of_time 03/26/24 9:18:28 PM #22: |
darkmaian23 posted... You mean before opening this topic you thought that a federal judge would allow the government to compel Google to hand over the personal information of every person who watched a legal Youtube video?No, but were I on trial I would not be the slightest surprised to find out they checked my internet browsing and related data. Did you think that everything you did on the internet was beyond the reach of law enforcement? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kirbymuncher 03/26/24 9:30:26 PM #23: |
Link_of_time posted...
No, but were I on trial I would not be the slightest surprised to find out they checked my internet browsing and related data. Did you think that everything you did on the internet was beyond the reach of law enforcement?What if you were not on trial, were totally unrelated to the case, and didn't even know it was happening? Would you be still be completely unsurprised that youtube was handing over your address, phone number and all your browsing history to the police? --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 03/26/24 9:32:04 PM #24: |
darkmaian23 posted...
You mean before opening this topic you thought that a federal judge would allow the government to compel Google to hand over the personal information of every person who watched a legal Youtube video? It's a court order, it already has [maybe not fed] tried to compel Google through a warrant. The question now is whether it's constitutional or not. Which it doesn't seem to be. --- Tiw - Min scild, min sweord Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bandit_Keith 03/26/24 10:15:17 PM #25: |
darkmaian23 posted...
The video in question was perfectly legal, the police just had reason to believe that a suspect had viewed the video so they wanted information on everyone who watched it to try and find this person. They could do this for any video or content at any time. That shouldn't be possible.Even after I explained the actually facts, you still want to push misinformation. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ironman2009 03/26/24 10:16:06 PM #26: |
damn, they gonna find my vtuber lofi hip hop tracks
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hockeybabe89 03/26/24 10:19:03 PM #27: |
B-b-but TikTok!!
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mistymermaid 03/26/24 11:10:59 PM #28: |
Browsing history is not a crime. Specific patterns that show a consistent interest in criminal activity, can damage a defendant's credibility though.
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JuanCarlos1 03/26/24 11:15:31 PM #29: |
I don't mind if its part of a lead in a criminal investigation
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Link_of_time 03/28/24 1:08:43 AM #30: |
kirbymuncher posted... What if you were not on trial, were totally unrelated to the case, and didn't even know it was happening? Would you be still be completely unsurprised that youtube was handing over your address, phone number and all your browsing history to the police?Just so you know when police do an investigation, they investigate multiple suspects. Ultimately, many of the ppl they investigate will have little to nothing to do with their investigation. Most won't even be aware they were ever possible suspects. Disregarding the above, the case at hand is in relation to a ongoing investigation. It is not a random event or unwarranted event. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 03/28/24 2:20:33 AM #31: |
Bandit_Keith posted...
I'm sure this is a "slippery slope" that people are complaining against, but what actually happened versus what people are claiming has happened are two very different things. The government isn't just getting warrants for any video they want to know who watched it. They sent a specific target some links to specific videos and they know the subject of the investigation watched them within that specific time frame. No they didn't. Read the article slowly and more carefully. What they actually did is entrapment. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bandit_Keith 03/28/24 5:07:51 AM #32: |
Revelation34 posted...
No they didn't. Read the article slowly and more carefully.I read the article. I am not sure what you are getting at. In conversations with the user in early January, undercover agents sent links of YouTube tutorials for mapping via drones and augmented reality software, then asked Google for information on who had viewed the videosThat isn't entrapment. They sent the links to elonmuskwhm. They were after him because they believed he was selling Bitcoins for cash. The videos aren't the crime. Nor are the videos trying to get him to commit a crime. They are trying to ID him off this information. I don't think it would ultimately work, and I still say it should not be allowed. But not due to entrapment or anything of the like. Please, highlight what you think I am missing from the article. I reread the entire thing, and you didn't give me anything specific to go by, so I can't correct any error I may have snagged. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 03/29/24 5:57:56 AM #33: |
Bandit_Keith posted...
"then asked Google for information on who had viewed the videos" They clearly uploaded it themselves and then had people find the videos. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kirbymuncher 03/29/24 2:39:37 PM #34: |
Revelation34 posted...
They clearly uploaded it themselves and then had people find the videos.it reads more to me like they found existing videos that were of interest to the person, linked those videos (the way you might share videos with a friend) and then asked google who had viewed them --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 03/29/24 2:43:01 PM #35: |
The government can get data from all our online activities and searches. And all those apps where you have to give them permission to access your contacts and photos? They got that too. Nothing's really private anymore. Any dick pics you've taken with your phone are sitting in some database waiting to be accessed.
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Bandit_Keith 03/29/24 3:45:57 PM #36: |
Revelation34 posted...
"then asked Google for information on who had viewed the videos"You are mistaken. kirbymuncher posted... it reads more to me like they found existing videos that were of interest to the person, linked those videos (the way you might share videos with a friend) and then asked google who had viewed themThis. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 03/31/24 5:46:49 AM #37: |
Bandit_Keith posted...
Nope. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 03/31/24 6:48:59 AM #38: |
Bandit_Keith posted...
The government isn't just getting warrants for any video they want to know who watched it. They sent a specific target some links to specific videos and they know the subject of the investigation watched them within that specific time frame. I, too, view it the same as when Feds used to go to libraries demanding to know who checked out stuff like Catcher in the Rye. It was unconstitutional bullshit during the Red Scare, it was unconstitutional bullshit when the PATRIOT act enabled it, and it's unconstitutional bullshit now that "library book" has changed to "YouTube video." (EDIT: to reflect you did say the similar things about reading habits in your second paragraph.) --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 03/31/24 7:03:34 AM #39: |
Link_of_time posted...
Did you think that everything you did on the internet was beyond the reach of law enforcement? mistymermaid posted... Browsing history is not a crime. Specific patterns that show a consistent interest in criminal activity, can damage a defendant's credibility though. LeoRavus posted... The government can get data from all our online activities and searches. And all those apps where you have to give them permission to access your contacts and photos? They got that too. Nothing's really private anymore. Any dick pics you've taken with your phone are sitting in some database waiting to be accessed. All three of these posts kind of beg the question, "With due process and probable cause, right?" Sure, all these companies have your data. But those companies can't give up your data (and the police can't ask for it) without a damn good reason. ...right? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vycebrand2 03/31/24 7:12:41 AM #40: |
LeoRavus posted...
The government can get data from all our online activities and searches. And all those apps where you have to give them permission to access your contacts and photos? They got that too. Nothing's really private anymore. Any dick pics you've taken with your phone are sitting in some database waiting to be accessed.Oh well hope they enjoy them --- I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 03/31/24 8:52:45 AM #41: |
Who else posted?
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kirbymuncher 03/31/24 7:56:43 PM #42: |
Revelation34 posted...
Nope.I'm really curious what part makes you think they uploaded the videos themselves. There are a bunch of tutorials for this thing out there already, it's extra work with no benefit that is not mentioned anywhere in the article, and honestly the fact the videos have been viewed tens of thousands of times makes me think it's more liekly just a random upload that already exists --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 03/31/24 8:00:05 PM #43: |
I dont upload anything to YouTube and rarely use it unless Im looking for something comedic or informational. Not sure what they could get on me.
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Notti 04/04/24 4:33:00 AM #44: |
LonelyStoner posted...
I dont upload anything to YouTube and rarely use it unless Im looking for something comedic or informational. Not sure what they could get on me. Perhaps your tastes, upvotes, viewing times, and comments --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 04/05/24 12:05:07 AM #45: |
Notti posted...
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Bandit_Keith 04/07/24 4:50:43 PM #46: |
Unless they could show cause to a judge that you are reasonably suspected of commiting a crime, they aren't getting a warrant for shit on you specifically. The problem is the digital dragnet could get you snagged even though you've done nothing at all. I'm not even talking a digital "fit the profile" scenario. "You and hundreds of others technically drove somewhat nearby when a crime was committed" is the scenario in which they are gathering this info.
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DnDer 04/07/24 4:57:23 PM #47: |
Bandit_Keith posted...
"You and hundreds of others technically drove somewhat nearby when a crime was committed" is the scenario in which they are gathering this info. Hypothetical. A cynical one. They discover that a killer visited a specific Dunkin the day before the killing. You get dragged with about 250 other people. None of them are cops. You ask about that. Because reasons they tell you. You get cuffed behind your back and thrown into a holding cell bench head first and left to whatever TBI you did or didn't get as they ignore your pleas of pain and help. And then you wonder about who those digital dragnet would and wouldn't catch. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bandit_Keith 04/07/24 5:23:12 PM #48: |
...What the fuck is that...is there a question or something? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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