Current Events > Apparently "thou shall not kill" is a mistranslation.

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Apparently its meant to be thou shall not murder.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/96778/correct-translation-of-%D7%9C%D7%90-%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%97-thou-shalt-not-kill-or-murder

Do you think that makes a material difference to the meaning of that commandment?

Though shall not scratch my cds when I borrow them.

That should be a commandment.

thou shall not manslaughter

Religion is dumb. If its supposed to be a commandment from god then why does it refer to a human legal concept like murder
how does anyone fall for this in modern years

Rika_Furude posted...

Religion is dumb. If its supposed to be a commandment from god then why does it refer to a human legal concept like murder
how does anyone fall for this in modern years

Combination of fear of death, a healthy dose of brainwashing and fearmongering, tribalism and sociocultural circumstances.

Rika_Furude posted...

Religion is dumb. If its supposed to be a commandment from god then why does it refer to a human legal concept like murder
how does anyone fall for this in modern years

The legal concepts codify our understanding of justifiable and unjustifiable killing. They didn't invent it.

RadDude9000 posted...

Though shall not scratch my cds when I borrow them.

That should be a commandment.

Thou shalt not fuck with my EQ settings should be another.

Rika_Furude posted...

Religion is dumb. If its supposed to be a commandment from god then why does it refer to a human legal concept like murder
how does anyone fall for this in modern years

obviously they'll say god created or knew humans would create such concepts. everything's easy to explain when you're taught that god did and knows everything

Republicans will use this as an excuse to justify the Death Penalty

How convenient that there are Ten Commandments just like how people have ten fingers.

That doesn't really make a difference to how Christians have practiced it anyway

So the correctly translated word of god is to Stand Your Ground?

This seems fake; even by Biblical standards.

God doesnt expect us to just let someone kill us without putting up a fight.

A flat out ban on killing would cause God problems whenever he needed his people to go kill some other people.

Zikten posted...

Republicans will use this as an excuse to justify the Death Penalty

The new testament has a lot more things anti DP. So even then no excuse .

I think the mistranslation is probably better overall because some people will feel justified in killing someone while (most) others will feel they just straight up murdered them.

Though I do think it being a mistranslation makes sense. You should be allowed to kill in self-defense or in (immediate) defense of others. Otherwise others who have no problem killing/murdering will exploit your unwillingness or hesitancy.

Sure are a lot of euphoric posts in this topic.

Thou Shall Not Commit Tax Evasion

ClayGuida posted...

Thou Shall Not Commit Tax Evasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc8vrGjyqes

"don't murder members of the tribe in cold blood" is I think a universal human rule. stealing from the tribe may be the only other universal one

Rika_Furude posted...

Religion is dumb. If its supposed to be a commandment from god then why does it refer to a human legal concept like murder
how does anyone fall for this in modern years

Legal definitions can and often don't match colloquial definitions.

Thou Shalt not kill could be interpreted like a jainist where you literally cannot kill anything. Thou shalt not commit murder just means don't kill other humans.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Legal definitions can and often don't match colloquial definitions.

Thou Shalt not kill could be interpreted like a jainist where you literally cannot kill anything. Thou shalt not commit murder just means don't kill other humans.

Meat is murder

ClayGuida posted...

Meat is murder

But I'm made of meat

Am I made of murder too

Smackems posted...

But I'm made of meat

Am I made of murder too

Murder is in the hearts of all men.

divot1338 posted...

Murder is in the hearts of all men.

I thought that was cholesterol

Wouldn't this actually affect Islamic countries more? As I'm aware some of them actually do have laws that outlaw killing even in self defense (of course, they themselves can execute because they speak for Allah or whatever)

02fran posted...

Wouldn't this actually affect Islamic countries more? As I'm aware some of them actually do have laws that outlaw killing even in self defense (of course, they themselves can execute because they speak for Yahweh or whatever)

Allah

Smackems posted...

Allah

Yep, my bad just woke up lol

According to the article, it's not 'mistranslation' so much as a dispute over how to translate a Hebrew word for which there is no direct English equivalent.

Thou shall try real hard not to kill anybody, unless they pray to a different invisible avenger than your own.

Not a mistranslation exactly, but just a translation for people who spoke English 400 years ago. Presumably, "thou shalt not kill" would have been interpreted a little differently by the target audience.

I think "murder" is a better translation for today but still holds a some ambiguity. After all, in the US judicial system, the same term is used for first through third degree "murder." While I think in the public consciousness, that's not always true.

Anyway, the idea is that you don't unjustly take a human life. There are cases in the OT where God instructs people to kill not just animals but humans too. Israel is at times instructed to go to war, for example.

And then there was King Agag, whom Saul was supposed to execute but instead took as a POW, prompting the prophet Samuel to draw a sword and behead the guy himself. Failure to do as instructed by killing the guy was actually the offense that cost Saul the kingdom. He died in battle and was not replaced with his own heir but with David son of Jesse son of Obed son of Boaz the husband of Ruth.

"Thou shalt not kill, but it's totally okay for me to kill any of you for any reason, or no reason at all!"

ai123 posted...

The legal concepts codify our understanding of justifiable and unjustifiable killing. They didn't invent it.

Humans definitely invented the concept of murder. Murder in itself is a concept that varies based on a countries legal system, who is doing the killing, and who is the authority that gets to classify it as lawful.

For example when a cop kills people, legally speaking it more times than not doesn't get classified as murder in the courts because it gets classified as a lawful killing. Even when we the people would most certainly call the cops unjustified, and in our opinions should be unlawful. The people don't get to classify it as murder (unlawful killing), only the stronger authority does which tends to be the government.

Or easy low hanging fruit examples of senseless death of countries or groups killing other groups of people they deem lesser humans. But the former views themselves as not murderers, and history showed was well within their laws to kill, therefore not being labeled unlawful.

02fran posted...

Yep, my bad just woke up lol

It's all the same shit anyway

Yes, because it's OK to kill in self defense

C_Pain posted...

Yes, because it's OK to kill in self defense

What about mercy kill?

Like there's an eel stuck up a dude's ass and it is eating his ass out with it's teeth and shocking him constantly and there's also a rabid woodpecker pecking his pecker and he's screaming in pain and there's no way to help him

SHRlKE posted...

Do you think that makes a material difference to the meaning of that commandment?

Given the fate of Canaanites -- no.

If God says "don't kill" and then, shortly thereafter, commands "his people" to genocide , then the commandments are always gonna be a little bit fuzzy.