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Block_that_Kick 03/20/24 1:14:55 PM #1:	the considerable impact said vote might have on the city you represent? https://twitter.com/StarTribune/status/1770470721652691003 --- The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. <cite>Block_that_Kick posted [p:979469553] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>the considerable impact said vote might have on the city you represent?https://twitter.com/StarTribune/status/1770470721652691003 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/20/24 1:15:56 PM #2:	surprisedpikachu.jpg --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:979469572] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>surprisedpikachu.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Block_that_Kick 03/20/24 1:18:59 PM #4:	The Minneapolis City Council might reconsider its controversial rideshare plan that has prompted Uber and Lyft to pull out. The agenda for the council's Thursday meeting contains a "notice of intent to move reconsideration" of last week's vote to override the veto of Mayor Jacob Frey. The actual vote wouldn't happen until the council's following meeting on April 11. The notice was brought by Council Member Andrea Jenkins, who expressed reservations about overriding Frey's veto but ultimately supported the override. Jenkins could not immediately be reached for comment. Much was unclear Wednesday morning and the 13-member city council is often an incubator of procedural drama but one scenario is this: One or more of the 10 council members who supported the override could have buyer's remorse and want to change their vote, or at least buy time to see if some agreement could be reached with state lawmakers and Gov. Tim Walz, who are grappling with the issue themselves. The override vote meant that a new ordinance setting minimum pay for drivers will move forward. It immediately prompted the two ride-hailing giants to announce they were ceasing operations in the city May 1, when the ordinance takes effect. Lyft announced it would pull out of the city, while Uber announced it would pull out of the entire Twin Cities metro. Several supporters of the ordinance, who championed it as a victory for workers, had scoffed at the companies' threats to leave, but the companies seem to be making good on it. Both have told drivers and riders that they're leaving. The fallout has been swift and fierce, with business groups, some in the public, and even Walz himself expressing frustration. Chief among their frustrations: A state-commissioned study released last week effectively provided a roadmap for how drivers could be paid the equivalent of minimum wage the stated goal of ordinance supporters. But the minimums the study landed on were well below what the City Council approved and closer to minimums Frey had proposed, which he said the rideshare companies would accept. The council had been told the study was coming, but decided to vote on the pay minimums ahead of it, approving the plan 9-4. Then Frey vetoed their action, the study came out, and the council overrode the veto 10-3. Council supporters of the move appeared to either disregard the study or not fully comprehend it. What followed: behind-the-scenes scrambling at City Hall, as clerks and council members scrutinized council rules and parliamentary procedures. Meanwhile, several state lawmakers have attempted to whip council votes. It's unclear if the council could actually change the minimum pay standards at the April 11 meeting, or merely vote to undo the override. It also wasn't immediately clear Wednesday morning how many votes a simple majority of seven or a supermajority of nine would be needed to undo the override. Frey greeted Wednesday's developments with guarded hope. "Thus far, the Council has been unwilling to engage all relevant parties in developing the ordinance they pushed through," he said in a statement. "But there has been and still is room for compromise to ensure drivers who rely on rideshare services for a paycheck get a raise and riders who rely on the service can continue getting around our city." --- The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. <cite>Block_that_Kick posted [p:979469620] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>The Minneapolis City Council might reconsider its controversial rideshare plan that has prompted Uber and Lyft to pull out.The agenda for the council's Thursday meeting contains a "notice of intent to move reconsideration" of last week's vote to override the veto of Mayor Jacob Frey. The actual vote wouldn't happen until the council's following meeting on April 11.The notice was brought by Council Member Andrea Jenkins, who expressed reservations about overriding Frey's veto but ultimately supported the override. Jenkins could not immediately be reached for comment.Much was unclear Wednesday morning and the 13-member city council is often an incubator of procedural drama but one scenario is this: One or more of the 10 council members who supported the override could have buyer's remorse and want to change their vote, or at least buy time to see if some agreement could be reached with state lawmakers and Gov. Tim Walz, who are grappling with the issue themselves.The override vote meant that a new ordinance setting minimum pay for drivers will move forward. It immediately prompted the two ride-hailing giants to announce they were ceasing operations in the city May 1, when the ordinance takes effect. Lyft announced it would pull out of the city, while Uber announced it would pull out of the entire Twin Cities metro.Several supporters of the ordinance, who championed it as a victory for workers, had scoffed at the companies' threats to leave, but the companies seem to be making good on it. Both have told drivers and riders that they're leaving.The fallout has been swift and fierce, with business groups, some in the public, and even Walz himself expressing frustration.Chief among their frustrations: A state-commissioned study released last week effectively provided a roadmap for how drivers could be paid the equivalent of minimum wage the stated goal of ordinance supporters. But the minimums the study landed on were well below what the City Council approved and closer to minimums Frey had proposed, which he said the rideshare companies would accept.The council had been told the study was coming, but decided to vote on the pay minimums ahead of it, approving the plan 9-4. Then Frey vetoed their action, the study came out, and the council overrode the veto 10-3. Council supporters of the move appeared to either disregard the study or not fully comprehend it.What followed: behind-the-scenes scrambling at City Hall, as clerks and council members scrutinized council rules and parliamentary procedures. Meanwhile, several state lawmakers have attempted to whip council votes.It's unclear if the council could actually change the minimum pay standards at the April 11 meeting, or merely vote to undo the override.It also wasn't immediately clear Wednesday morning how many votes a simple majority of seven or a supermajority of nine would be needed to undo the override.Frey greeted Wednesday's developments with guarded hope."Thus far, the Council has been unwilling to engage all relevant parties in developing the ordinance they pushed through," he said in a statement. "But there has been and still is room for compromise to ensure drivers who rely on rideshare services for a paycheck get a raise and riders who rely on the service can continue getting around our city." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 03/20/24 1:27:51 PM #5:	Oh hey look, government knuckling under to corporations. Get your cameras, everyone! It's like spotting a unicorn! --- Currently playing: Fortnite STW, WoW, Punch-Out, Super Punch-Out Convicted criminal Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:979469758] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>Oh hey look, government knuckling under to corporations.Get your cameras, everyone! It's like spotting a unicorn! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 03/20/24 1:32:27 PM #6:	The council bet on the ride share companies losing the game of chicken and continuing operations but it looks like now they're getting cold feet. The idea espoused in the topic title that the vote was just by a bunch of unthinking idiots is just making up fake reality to have something to be mad about. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:979469849] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>The council bet on the ride share companies losing the game of chicken and continuing operations but it looks like now they're getting cold feet. The idea espoused in the topic title that the vote was just by a bunch of unthinking idiots is just making up fake reality to have something to be mad about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 03/20/24 1:48:04 PM #8:	Block_that_Kick posted... Chief among their frustrations: A state-commissioned study released last week effectively provided a roadmap for how drivers could be paid the equivalent of minimum wage the stated goal of ordinance supporters. But the minimums the study landed on were well below what the City Council approved and closer to minimums Frey had proposed, which he said the rideshare companies would accept. The council had been told the study was coming, but decided to vote on the pay minimums ahead of it, approving the plan 9-4. Then Frey vetoed their action, the study came out, and the council overrode the veto 10-3. Council supporters of the move appeared to either disregard the study or not fully comprehend it. Hooray government stupidity. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979470132] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>Block_that_Kick posted... </cite><quote>Chief among their frustrations: A state-commissioned study released last week effectively provided a roadmap for how drivers could be paid the equivalent of minimum wage the stated goal of ordinance supporters. But the minimums the study landed on were well below what the City Council approved and closer to minimums Frey had proposed, which he said the rideshare companies would accept.The council had been told the study was coming, but decided to vote on the pay minimums ahead of it, approving the plan 9-4. Then Frey vetoed their action, the study came out, and the council overrode the veto 10-3. Council supporters of the move appeared to either disregard the study or not fully comprehend it.</quote>Hooray government stupidity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 03/20/24 1:51:53 PM #9:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:979470195] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Block_that_Kick 03/20/24 1:55:00 PM #10:	HashtagSEP posted... That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift. I am most certainly not. --- The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. <cite>Block_that_Kick posted [p:979470263] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift.</quote>I am most certainly not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/20/24 1:59:25 PM #11:	HashtagSEP posted... That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift. TC is siding with decisions made with full consideration for the real world impact of those decisions, rather than a fantasy-based approach where consequences, justified or not, don't exist. Rather than pretending these companies wouldn't do exactly what they said (and are) doing, they should have been thinking about how to resolve those issues in the bill itself. Instead they commissioned a study, voted prior to the results, found out their own study didn't agree with them, and are now desperately backpedaling because of the outcome of the vote. All things that could and should have been avoided if competent people were involved. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979470334] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift.</quote>TC is siding with decisions made with full consideration for the real world impact of those decisions, rather than a fantasy-based approach where consequences, justified or not, don't exist. Rather than pretending these companies wouldn't do exactly what they said (and are) doing, they should have been thinking about how to resolve those issues in the bill itself.Instead they commissioned a study, voted prior to the results, found out their own study didn't agree with them, and are now desperately backpedaling because of the outcome of the vote. All things that could and should have been avoided if competent people were involved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/20/24 2:04:38 PM #12:	mybbqrules posted... Oh hey look, government knuckling under to corporations. Get your cameras, everyone! It's like spotting a unicorn! Spotting a unicorn at the unicorn zoo next to unicorn breeders-r-us just outside the portal to equestria --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:979470435] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>mybbqrules posted... </cite><quote>Oh hey look, government knuckling under to corporations.Get your cameras, everyone! It's like spotting a unicorn!</quote>Spotting a unicorn at the unicorn zoo next to unicorn breeders-r-us just outside the portal to equestria </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Block_that_Kick 03/20/24 2:16:22 PM #13:	s0nicfan posted... TC is siding with decisions made with full consideration for the real world impact of those decisions, rather than a fantasy-based approach where consequences, justified or not, don't exist. Rather than pretending these companies wouldn't do exactly what they said (and are) doing, they should have been thinking about how to resolve those issues in the bill itself. Instead they commissioned a study, voted prior to the results, found out their own study didn't agree with them, and are now desperately backpedaling because of the outcome of the vote. All things that could and should have been avoided if competent people were involved. This. All of this. When a politician is given a vote, they need to understand the impact that vote might have and how many lives that vote is altering. We dont live in a vacuum. A law or a city ordinance will have an impact on people subject to that laws jurisdiction and sometimes even outside of it. And you can say all day long that Uber and Lyft are evil corporations and you would be absolutely right. But like them or not, they have been around long enough to where they are now ingrained into society. You dont get to just say fuck them. They have power whether you like it or not. If you want to change the game, you have to play the game that is currently in front of you. The state government has been negotiating with Uber and Lyft for nearly a year now, coming up with a compromise bill that would give the drivers a significant raise and be at a rate where the two companies find acceptable. These negotiations were part of a very large commissioned comprehensive study which was going to be released literally the day after the city council vote. But the Minneapolis City Council didnt care about any of that. They instead pulled numbers out of their ass, passed the ordinance and said We ride at dawn, bitches! --- The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. <cite>Block_that_Kick posted [p:979470638] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>TC is siding with decisions made with full consideration for the real world impact of those decisions, rather than a fantasy-based approach where consequences, justified or not, don't exist. Rather than pretending these companies wouldn't do exactly what they said (and are) doing, they should have been thinking about how to resolve those issues in the bill itself.Instead they commissioned a study, voted prior to the results, found out their own study didn't agree with them, and are now desperately backpedaling because of the outcome of the vote. All things that could and should have been avoided if competent people were involved.</quote>This. All of this.When a politician is given a vote, they need to understand the impact that vote might have and how many lives that vote is altering. We dont live in a vacuum. A law or a city ordinance will have an impact on people subject to that laws jurisdiction and sometimes even outside of it.And you can say all day long that Uber and Lyft are evil corporations and you would be absolutely right. But like them or not, they have been around long enough to where they are now ingrained into society. You dont get to just say fuck them. They have power whether you like it or not. If you want to change the game, you have to play the game that is currently in front of you.The state government has been negotiating with Uber and Lyft for nearly a year now, coming up with a compromise bill that would give the drivers a significant raise and be at a rate where the two companies find acceptable. These negotiations were part of a very large commissioned comprehensive study which was going to be released literally the day after the city council vote. But the Minneapolis City Council didnt care about any of that. They instead pulled numbers out of their ass, passed the ordinance and said We ride at dawn, bitches! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/20/24 2:20:42 PM #14:	HashtagSEP posted... That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift. Pointing out that a municipality looks foolish for the following: Minneapolis: We're going to add this regulation for Uber and Lyft. U&L: If you do that, we're going to stop services in Minneapolis. Minneapolis: votes regulation into place U&L: immediately stops providing services Minneapolis: W-w-wait, come back! ... isn't cheerleading for the companies, it's mocking the city council for doing something that they apparently had no intention to stand behind and immediately caving to the first whiff of backlash. Uber and Lyft are shitty companies, but they telegraphed what they were going to do and Minneapolis seems to have just assumed that they were bluffing? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:979470704] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>That is correct. TC is cheerleading for Uber and Lift.</quote>Pointing out that a municipality looks foolish for the following:Minneapolis: We're going to add this regulation for Uber and Lyft.U&L: If you do that, we're going to stop services in Minneapolis.Minneapolis: votes regulation into placeU&L: immediately stops providing servicesMinneapolis: W-w-wait, come back!... isn't cheerleading for the companies, it's mocking the city council for doing something that they apparently had no intention to stand behind and immediately caving to the first whiff of backlash.Uber and Lyft are shitty companies, but they telegraphed what they were going to do and Minneapolis seems to have just assumed that they were bluffing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tanthalas 03/20/24 3:54:10 PM #15:	Thye should have never caved in to the companies. If there's money to be made, other companies would fill the void. --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". <cite>Tanthalas posted [p:979472233] in Oh, you me... [t:80726244]...</cite> <quote>Thye should have never caved in to the companies.If there's money to be made, other companies would fill the void. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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