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DarkDoc 03/12/24 5:17:35 AM #1:	Which part of the budget should be reduced? - Results (102 votes) Defence 58.82% (60 votes) 60 Education 7.84% (8 votes) 8 Health 3.92% (4 votes) 4 Housing and community amenities 4.9% (5 votes) 5 Long-term care 0.98% (1 vote) 1 Public order and safety 1.96% (2 votes) 2 Social security (pensioners) 1.96% (2 votes) 2 Social security (working-age and children) 0.98% (1 vote) 1 Transport 0% (0 votes) 0 None of the above - I want everybody's tax to go up, including my own 18.63% (19 votes) 19 You can't spend what you haven't got, so we need to reduce the amount the government spends on some of the stuff listed here. I took the list of categories from the IFS, and removed "Overseas aid" because it was the smallest one. Your task is to pick the one that should be slashed. <cite>DarkDoc posted [p:979324431] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote> Which part of the budget should be reduced? - Results (102 votes) Defence 58.82% (60 votes) 60 Education 7.84% (8 votes) 8 Health 3.92% (4 votes) 4 Housing and community amenities 4.9% (5 votes) 5 Long-term care 0.98% (1 vote) 1 Public order and safety 1.96% (2 votes) 2 Social security (pensioners) 1.96% (2 votes) 2 Social security (working-age and children) 0.98% (1 vote) 1 Transport 0% (0 votes) 0 None of the above - I want everybody's tax to go up, including my own 18.63% (19 votes) 19 Show Voting Form You can't spend what you haven't got, so we need to reduce the amount the government spends on some of the stuff listed here.I took the list of categories from the IFS, and removed "Overseas aid" because it was the smallest one.Your task is to pick the one that should be slashed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 03/12/24 5:21:25 AM #2:	If youre talking about the US, it sounds like education is the area you most desperately need to invest in. <cite>Glob posted [p:979324454] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>If youre talking about the US, it sounds like education is the area you most desperately need to invest in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 03/12/24 5:26:42 AM #4:	US actually spends more per pupil than any other first world country but ends up with below average scores on international tests. More money won't fix the issue, because they aren't actually concerned with quality education. And the fact that this topic implies the TC thinks the government has to pay for spending and therefore must raise taxes shows how bad the education is (the government doesn't pay for even close to all of its spending, it takes out debt, as does every other first world country). --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:979324481] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>US actually spends more per pupil than any other first world country but ends up with below average scores on international tests. More money won't fix the issue, because they aren't actually concerned with quality education. And the fact that this topic implies the TC thinks the government has to pay for spending and therefore must raise taxes shows how bad the education is (the government doesn't pay for even close to all of its spending, it takes out debt, as does every other first world country). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 03/12/24 5:30:01 AM #5:	You cant force the government when theyre not answerable to you. --- "How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:979324501] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>You cant force the government when theyre not answerable to you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 03/12/24 5:44:03 AM #6:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Oh, I wasnt trying to suggest that it would happen. ssjevot posted... US actually spends more per pupil than any other first world country but ends up with below average scores on international tests. More money won't fix the issue, because they aren't actually concerned with quality education. And the fact that this topic implies the TC thinks the government has to pay for spending and therefore must raise taxes shows how bad the education is (the government doesn't pay for even close to all of its spending, it takes out debt, as does every other first world country). A quick google suggests that this is not the case. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7e3789d5.jpg If you believe it is, why do you think the outcomes are so much lower than some other countries? <cite>Glob posted [p:979324548] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Oh, I wasnt trying to suggest that it would happen.ssjevot posted... </cite><quote>US actually spends more per pupil than any other first world country but ends up with below average scores on international tests. More money won't fix the issue, because they aren't actually concerned with quality education. And the fact that this topic implies the TC thinks the government has to pay for spending and therefore must raise taxes shows how bad the education is (the government doesn't pay for even close to all of its spending, it takes out debt, as does every other first world country).</quote>A quick google suggests that this is not the case.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7e3789d5.jpgIf you believe it is, why do you think the outcomes are so much lower than some other countries?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 03/12/24 5:44:46 AM #7:	I'd say defense but don't gut it. I still wanna be confident we have one of the if not the best equipped military. With as much influence we have over the world and the disdain we get from a lot of countries. Yeah --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979324550] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>I'd say defense but don't gut it. I still wanna be confident we have one of the if not the best equipped military. With as much influence we have over the world and the disdain we get from a lot of countries. Yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 03/12/24 6:12:51 AM #9:	Finland has a superb education system, but is relatively low on that expenditure list. They support and trust their teachers. Education is valued highly, and everything is left for professional educators to decide. It's not a political football for hate-pandering politicians, and schools don't provide a soapbox for extremist lunatics like they seem to in the US. I don't think everyone's tax has to go up to pay for an equitable system of amenity and safety nets for the less fortunate. But I'm happy to pay more, and I'll always vote for more spending on education, health, welfare etc. over tax cuts. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:979324698] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Finland has a superb education system, but is relatively low on that expenditure list.They support and trust their teachers. Education is valued highly, and everything is left for professional educators to decide. It's not a political football for hate-pandering politicians, and schools don't provide a soapbox for extremist lunatics like they seem to in the US.I don't think everyone's tax has to go up to pay for an equitable system of amenity and safety nets for the less fortunate.But I'm happy to pay more, and I'll always vote for more spending on education, health, welfare etc. over tax cuts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodMoon7 03/12/24 6:14:01 AM #10:	Public order and safety should be the first to go. That stuff is for wusses --- My maid will hear about this. <cite>BloodMoon7 posted [p:979324703] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Public order and safety should be the first to go. That stuff is for wusses </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 03/12/24 6:25:35 AM #11:	Glob posted... If you believe it is, why do you think the outcomes are so much lower than some other countries? The only one ahead on there is Luxembourg. It's one of the richest countries in the world per Capita and a microstate. Almost every person there would be considered upper-middle class at worst. You can't really compare. The US has terrible education because the standards are set by individual states and often based on agricultural past that no longer exists and a bunch of culture war stuff then occurs where a state is more concerned with banning "woke" than ensuring kids can read or do basic math. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:979324802] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>If you believe it is, why do you think the outcomes are so much lower than some other countries?</quote>The only one ahead on there is Luxembourg. It's one of the richest countries in the world per Capita and a microstate. Almost every person there would be considered upper-middle class at worst. You can't really compare. The US has terrible education because the standards are set by individual states and often based on agricultural past that no longer exists and a bunch of culture war stuff then occurs where a state is more concerned with banning "woke" than ensuring kids can read or do basic math. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 03/12/24 6:26:52 AM #12:	We need auditors with actual power. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979324806] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>We need auditors with actual power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 03/12/24 6:30:37 AM #14:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I don't know what school you went to, but our public school had sports and textbooks but it didn't matter worth shit because the teachers were more concerned with sleeping with students or playing games on their computer than educating. I didn't learn shit until I got to college and that was a huge catch-up experience because despite taking classes called calculus, I never actually learned calculus. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:979324831] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I don't know what school you went to, but our public school had sports and textbooks but it didn't matter worth shit because the teachers were more concerned with sleeping with students or playing games on their computer than educating. I didn't learn shit until I got to college and that was a huge catch-up experience because despite taking classes called calculus, I never actually learned calculus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 03/12/24 6:32:37 AM #15:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Are you a chud? --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979324842] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Are you a chud? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 03/12/24 6:35:27 AM #16:	There's nothing wrong with schools spending money on sport. It promotes health and exercise and can be a pathway to achievement and self-esteem for kids who aren't academic. (Same goes for art and music). --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:979324861] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>There's nothing wrong with schools spending money on sport.It promotes health and exercise and can be a pathway to achievement and self-esteem for kids who aren't academic.(Same goes for art and music). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
B18Champ 03/12/24 6:52:33 AM #17:	Why spend $800B on defense when all you need to do is push a button. Sounds kind of silly --- If you can't impress someone with your intelligence, confuse them with your nonsense <cite>B18Champ posted [p:979324968] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Why spend $800B on defense when all you need to do is push a button. Sounds kind of silly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 03/12/24 6:56:42 AM #18:	How do we force the government anyway,? --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:979324990] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>How do we force the government anyway,? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tripleh213 03/12/24 7:02:11 AM #19:	Ricemills posted... How do we force the government anyway,? --- Bucks World Champions 2021 PS4 looks great <cite>tripleh213 posted [p:979325033] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite><quote>How do we force the government anyway,?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 03/12/24 8:13:40 AM #20:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Whe. I played football our school was pristine had nice teachers the works. Our football team had middling coaches and 25 year old uniforms. Rival school looked like a dump. It would be east to believe they didn't even have a janitor. Can't speak on the teachers. They gor new uniforms for football every 2 years and they where nice uniforms. Only middle school team to have logos on their helmet in that district/region --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979325605] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Whe. I played football our school was pristine had nice teachers the works. Our football team had middling coaches and 25 year old uniforms. Rival school looked like a dump. It would be east to believe they didn't even have a janitor. Can't speak on the teachers. They gor new uniforms for football every 2 years and they where nice uniforms. Only middle school team to have logos on their helmet in that district/region </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CheshireSimper 03/12/24 8:15:30 AM #21:	Yeah, I think there's a difference between "fund intramural sports" and "dump the majority of the budget into intramural sports so that parents can pretend to have children in the nfl". <cite>CheshireSimper posted [p:979325620] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I think there's a difference between "fund intramural sports" and "dump the majority of the budget into intramural sports so that parents can pretend to have children in the nfl".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 03/12/24 8:19:31 AM #22:	CheshireSimper posted... I think there's a difference between "fund intramural sports" and "dump the majority of the budget into intramural sports so that parents can pretend to have children in the nfl". Yeah pretty much what my message was pointing out. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979325656] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>CheshireSimper posted... </cite><quote>I think there's a difference between "fund intramural sports" and "dump the majority of the budget into intramural sports so that parents can pretend to have children in the nfl".</quote>Yeah pretty much what my message was pointing out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CheshireSimper 03/12/24 8:26:03 AM #23:	Meant to be agreeing with you, edited for clarity. <cite>CheshireSimper posted [p:979325712] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Meant to be agreeing with you, edited for clarity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkDoc 03/12/24 4:14:59 PM #24:	Glob posted... If youre talking about the US, it sounds like education is the area you most desperately need to invest in. Well, I'm from the UK, but the topic could be discussed by anyone. <cite>DarkDoc posted [p:979332824] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted...</cite><quote>If youre talking about the US, it sounds like education is the area you most desperately need to invest in.</quote>Well, I'm from the UK, but the topic could be discussed by anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 03/12/24 4:22:49 PM #25:	All of the above Spending needs to go down Taxes need to go up <cite>Hospy posted [p:979332927] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>All of the aboveSpending needs to go downTaxes need to go up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 03/12/24 4:26:49 PM #26:	The US spending at the federal level. Other stuff, education for example, is mostly funded at the state level if I recall correctly https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/225353b4.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a5ef0cb1.jpg --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979332974] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>The US spending at the federal level. Other stuff, education for example, is mostly funded at the state level if I recall correctly https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/225353b4.jpghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a5ef0cb1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CheshireSimper 03/12/24 5:13:42 PM #28:	Decrease defense, increase science funding. Could double the funding for science and have almost no impact on the defense funding. But all US science agencies are looking at massive cuts in the upcoming budget. <cite>CheshireSimper posted [p:979333825] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Decrease defense, increase science funding. Could double the funding for science and have almost no impact on the defense funding.But all US science agencies are looking at massive cuts in the upcoming budget.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 03/12/24 5:35:37 PM #29:	I'm fine with spending on defense. I am however not fine with being price gouged for defense. A steel plate costs $1,500 despite costing $32 to make? Yea fuck off with that. I guarantee if you went through and stopped the gouging, we'd lower the deficit annually. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1128757496682831874 --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979334208] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>I'm fine with spending on defense. I am however not fine with being price gouged for defense. A steel plate costs $1,500 despite costing $32 to make? Yea fuck off with that. I guarantee if you went through and stopped the gouging, we'd lower the deficit annually. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1128757496682831874 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CheshireSimper 03/12/24 6:01:49 PM #30:	When companies know something comes out of a budget and not directly from somebodies pocket, they massively price gouge. Same is true for science equipment and consumables. <cite>CheshireSimper posted [p:979334582] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>When companies know something comes out of a budget and not directly from somebodies pocket, they massively price gouge. Same is true for science equipment and consumables.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 03/13/24 12:02:32 AM #31:	ClayGuida posted... I'm fine with spending on defense. I am however not fine with being price gouged for defense. A steel plate costs $1,500 despite costing $32 to make? Yea fuck off with that. I guarantee if you went through and stopped the gouging, we'd lower the deficit annually. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1128757496682831874 I knew someone in the military and it's of their belief they do this as a way to build bu a secret stash of money for like black sites and shit. Like they pay all this money but they are actually keeping most of it just now it's in a hidden account. But on paper they spent it on a hammer or something. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979339585] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>I'm fine with spending on defense. I am however not fine with being price gouged for defense. A steel plate costs $1,500 despite costing $32 to make? Yea fuck off with that. I guarantee if you went through and stopped the gouging, we'd lower the deficit annually. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1128757496682831874</quote>I knew someone in the military and it's of their belief they do this as a way to build bu a secret stash of money for like black sites and shit. Like they pay all this money but they are actually keeping most of it just now it's in a hidden account. But on paper they spent it on a hammer or something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 03/13/24 12:10:59 AM #32:	Sufferedphoenix posted... I knew someone in the military and it's of their belief they do this as a way to build bu a secret stash of money for like black sites and shit. Like they pay all this money but they are actually keeping most of it just now it's in a hidden account. But on paper they spent it on a hammer or something. What, you don't think they spend $10k on a hammer, $30k on a toilet seat, do you? --- "How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:979339703] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>I knew someone in the military and it's of their belief they do this as a way to build bu a secret stash of money for like black sites and shit. Like they pay all this money but they are actually keeping most of it just now it's in a hidden account. But on paper they spent it on a hammer or something.</quote>What, you don't think they spend $10k on a hammer, $30k on a toilet seat, do you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thermador446 03/13/24 12:11:27 AM #33:	If there really is no extraterrestrial threat, cut defense budget by 90% --- "While you were wasting your time castrating a priceless antique, I was systematically feeding babies to hungry mutated puppies!" -The Monarch <cite>Thermador446 posted [p:979339714] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>If there really is no extraterrestrial threat, cut defense budget by 90% </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 03/13/24 12:13:08 AM #34:	Dark_Arbron posted... What, you don't think they spend $10k on a hammer, $30k on a toilet seat, do you? I'm not military idk what they spend. He said something like 60 bucks for a hammer but idk if that was a made up number he was just throwing out. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979339741] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>What, you don't think they spend $10k on a hammer, $30k on a toilet seat, do you?</quote>I'm not military idk what they spend. He said something like 60 bucks for a hammer but idk if that was a made up number he was just throwing out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 03/13/24 12:41:20 AM #35:	DarkDoc posted... Well, I'm from the UK, but the topic could be discussed by anyone. In fairness, the UK also desperately needs to increase funding for education. <cite>Glob posted [p:979340057] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>DarkDoc posted... </cite><quote>Well, I'm from the UK, but the topic could be discussed by anyone.</quote>In fairness, the UK also desperately needs to increase funding for education.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OzNarcissus 03/13/24 12:42:42 AM #36:	Yeah, good luck ever getting the defense budget to shrink. That's the first step. --- I took out my gopher-chucks, and proceeded to BOOGIE DOWN! <cite>OzNarcissus posted [p:979340071] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, good luck ever getting the defense budget to shrink. That's the first step. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bnui_ransder 03/13/24 12:44:56 AM #37:	Wheres the option to stop them from using funds for personal use instead of using the money they are paid --- http://bnuiransder.tumblr.com/ So much A R T <cite>bnui_ransder posted [p:979340090] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Wheres the option to stop them from using funds for personal use instead of using the money they are paid </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 03/13/24 6:30:14 AM #38:	Sufferedphoenix posted... I'm not military idk what they spend. He said something like 60 bucks for a hammer but idk if that was a made up number he was just throwing out. To clarify I was quoting Independence Day. --- "How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:979342263] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>I'm not military idk what they spend. He said something like 60 bucks for a hammer but idk if that was a made up number he was just throwing out.</quote>To clarify I was quoting Independence Day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 03/13/24 7:04:04 AM #39:	MilSpec stuff costs more because the compliance burden is much higher. For example, that clutch plate is designed and certified to function for x number of hours under heavy load in desert-to-arctic environments, and be air-droppable. The materials are traceable back to where and when they were mined, and there are auditable records of every worker involved in design, manufacture, testing, quality control, etc., of that specific item. The factory is ISO-9000 certified. Their software development process is CMMI certified. The HR department can produce detailed selection and conflict-resolution records. The company itself might have to maintain a special designation (e.g., "8A"). Obviously, cleared work requires even more overhead (NISPOM), and can't be outsourced. Even the solicitation/bid/award process can take thousands of hours. I'm certainly not going to defend government overspending, but it's not as simple as "I can get it cheaper at Home Depot". <cite>tankboy posted [p:979342448] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>MilSpec stuff costs more because the compliance burden is much higher. For example, that clutch plate is designed and certified to function for x number of hours under heavy load in desert-to-arctic environments, and be air-droppable. The materials are traceable back to where and when they were mined, and there are auditable records of every worker involved in design, manufacture, testing, quality control, etc., of that specific item. The factory is ISO-9000 certified. Their software development process is CMMI certified. The HR department can produce detailed selection and conflict-resolution records. The company itself might have to maintain a special designation (e.g., "8A"). Obviously, cleared work requires even more overhead (NISPOM), and can't be outsourced. Even the solicitation/bid/award process can take thousands of hours. I'm certainly not going to defend government overspending, but it's not as simple as "I can get it cheaper at Home Depot".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 03/13/24 7:07:55 AM #40:	OzNarcissus posted... Yeah, good luck ever getting the defense budget to shrink. That's the first step. The US would never give up the only thing it leads the world in. --- "How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:979342472] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>OzNarcissus posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, good luck ever getting the defense budget to shrink. That's the first step.</quote>The US would never give up the only thing it leads the world in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sufferedphoenix 03/13/24 10:07:30 AM #41:	Dark_Arbron posted... To clarify I was quoting Independence Day. Oh. Haven't seen that movie in a long long time. Oddly my step grandad made a tradition out of watching it on independence day. That tradition didn't stick around after he died --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979344195] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>To clarify I was quoting Independence Day.</quote>Oh. Haven't seen that movie in a long long time. Oddly my step grandad made a tradition out of watching it on independence day. That tradition didn't stick around after he died </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 03/13/24 10:17:03 AM #42:	Honestly, the auditing of expenses is itself a huge expense. We might actually come out worse by forcing them to be more careful. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:979344299] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, the auditing of expenses is itself a huge expense. We might actually come out worse by forcing them to be more careful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rai_Jin 03/13/24 10:20:58 AM #43:	I want very rich people's tax to go up. But from what I understand the defence sector just found 300 million left over to finance weapons for Ukraine with, probably because they tried not wasting it for once. <cite>Rai_Jin posted [p:979344347] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>I want very rich people's tax to go up. But from what I understand the defence sector just found 300 million left over to finance weapons for Ukraine with, probably because they tried not wasting it for once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 03/13/24 10:31:43 AM #44:	Dark_Arbron posted... The US would never give up the only thing it leads the world in. Mass shootings? Oh fuck we won't give those up either --- Asus ROG Strix Z790-E \| Core i9-13900k \| 64GB DDR5-6000 \| RTX 4090 24GB Dell AW3423DW QD-OLED - 1440p Ultrawide, 175hz, GSync <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:979344490] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>The US would never give up the only thing it leads the world in.</quote>Mass shootings?Oh fuck we won't give those up either </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 03/13/24 11:03:45 AM #46:	Considering how much debt were in now all the high spend programs in my opinion. At least for a time. During which we can praise out the current SS and healthcare programs for better ones and revamp them. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:979344909] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Considering how much debt were in now all the high spend programs in my opinion. At least for a time.During which we can praise out the current SS and healthcare programs for better ones and revamp them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
drclaeys 03/13/24 11:09:04 AM #47:	Friends, I worked in a University for 11 years. They waste money. Most businesses are trying to reduce overhead ,they raise tuition every 2 years. it out paces inflation for the last 30 or 40 years. No excuse for that. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/college-tuition-inflation/ --- Dr. Darrell of Michigan Riden with Biden, Vote Democrat, everyday, every year, every election. Help repair the USA. <cite>drclaeys posted [p:979344971] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Friends, I worked in a University for 11 years. They waste money. Most businesses are trying to reduce overhead ,they raise tuition every 2 years. it out paces inflation for the last 30 or 40 years. No excuse for that. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/college-tuition-inflation/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 03/13/24 11:09:40 AM #48:	Defense budget is at the lowest level in post WW2 history tbf https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80877d7d.png --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979344976] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>Defense budget is at the lowest level in post WW2 history tbfhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80877d7d.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 03/13/24 11:11:05 AM #49:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... Honestly, the auditing of expenses is itself a huge expense. We might actually come out worse by forcing them to be more careful. This is probably an unpopular opinion I have. Trying to prove money is spent well is actually an expensive thing! I'm not saying it should be done, but it is an expense. It takes labor hours and additional time to procure things through rigid specific methods. I think anyone who has worked in a large and small company, and has had to purchase things has gone through the pain. At a big company, I'm spending multiple hours filling out expense report and sending emails back and forth to show I'm purchasing from the lowest cost place. At a startup company: "here's my credit card. Go buy it, I'll speak to accounts later" --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979344998] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>Honestly, the auditing of expenses is itself a huge expense. We might actually come out worse by forcing them to be more careful.</quote>This is probably an unpopular opinion I have. Trying to prove money is spent well is actually an expensive thing! I'm not saying it should be done, but it is an expense.It takes labor hours and additional time to procure things through rigid specific methods. I think anyone who has worked in a large and small company, and has had to purchase things has gone through the pain. At a big company, I'm spending multiple hours filling out expense report and sending emails back and forth to show I'm purchasing from the lowest cost place.At a startup company: "here's my credit card. Go buy it, I'll speak to accounts later" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquantoZ 03/13/24 11:15:36 AM #50:	https://theintercept.com/2023/11/17/pentagon-audit-failed/ --- "Context Matters" <cite>SquantoZ posted [p:979345059] in Should we ... [t:80719405]...</cite> <quote>https://theintercept.com/2023/11/17/pentagon-audit-failed/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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