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CheshireSimper
03/07/24 2:14:10 PM
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"Bad faith".

Lmao. You are the one blatantly lying.
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legendary_zell
03/07/24 2:16:07 PM
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SunburnCostanza posted...
No one cares. We live in a society where 95% of society reads headlines, YouTube videos titles, and watches TikTok for info. Stop saying dumb shit like "defund the police" and "this was rigged" and getting mad when people either co opt it to use it "wrongly" or people take it at face value because they don't belong to your club or message board where you're giving out the full details.


The thing is, it's not even 95% of society interpreting it this way. It's only conservatives and whatever you are. People who want to score points against people to the left of them by willfully misunderstanding something they do in fact understand. Those two groups are the only ones who care about this.

Stop treating the other side like everything they say is willful deception. Many of them are misguided and confused and are capable of changing their minds. Acting like they are subhuman and getting mad that they will never understand our confusing catch phrases when 90% of our own side doesn't even like them is a loser strategy.


I don't even think it's necessarily willful deception. It's simply a frame of mind. There's no conflict between it not being willful deception and it not being a reason to warp our own language and thoughts. I don't think of them as subhuman, I think of human beings who temporarily or permanently are caught in a thought pattern that produces outcomes first and then finds any reason to support that outcome. A huge portion of the party enjoys language like what Porter used and its why the vote Dem and not Republican. It's a small portion of Twitter establishment crusaders that take this tack you're taking.

Again you are trying to persuade people here. Not rile up your own tiny radical gang.

I agree with the need to change some aspects of the system. This needs to be done carefully or you'll end up with a bunch of anti establishment losers like MAGA that don't believe anything is ever real out of the government. What Katie Porter did was not careful. It was emotional and reactionary and she knows better, hence the follow up explanation

The MAGA people are produced by the lack of change and the lack of a coherent alternative to a conservative worldview, not by too much change too fast or a lack of "care." Attempting to pin the existence of MAGA on accurate statements that the system is rigged is nonsense. The problem is caused by that state of affairs and the lack of a solution to it, not by acknowledging it.


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Board_hunter567
03/07/24 2:17:45 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yeah right, her name is going to be poison going forward. You won't be able to mention her without liberals flipping the hell out about her being unreasonable and everything wrong with progressives.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 2:23:12 PM
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She's right, you blue maga libs.

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FunWithAFryPan
03/07/24 2:24:02 PM
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SunburnCostanza posted...
Let's look at if "Defund the Police" was a good idea, assuming "good" in this context was getting places to divert funding as suggested.

Was the catchphrase popular with the right wing? No, not at all, it made them hate the left even more. Fair enough I guess, we have different ideas.

Did it catch on with Liberals? Well no not then either. Obama hated it, Biden hated it. They felt it made them look really stupid and they had to clarify what it was "supposed to mean" over and over or they just tossed the idea out as fringe.

So how in any way shape or form was it a good catch phrase? Again, firing up your own little bubble does very little in terms of successful actual progress.
Liberals didnt like it because theyre afraid of finger waggers like you, but also deep down they dont really want to upset these corrupt institutions like they say they do. Do you think Biden wants to actually reform the police in any capacity? Of course not, and people like you are largely to blame. Well never see any comprehensive reform so long as people like you can gin up fake outrage over the language of activist slogans more than outrage over actual, material harm and injustice. To you, saying defund the police at a protest is worse than rampant police brutality. You dont even really care about democracy or election integrity, because you care more about chastising Katie Porter OVER FUCKING NOTHING than actual electoral reform. This is what happens when people care more about optics and aesthetics than concrete policy. You become the very thing you hate. Fascists are all morons and losers, they arent the real threat. The real threat comes from people like you who cant get out of the way of progress.

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legendary_zell
03/07/24 2:25:14 PM
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SunburnCostanza posted...
Let's look at if "Defund the Police" was a good idea, assuming "good" in this context was getting places to divert funding as suggested.

Was the catchphrase popular with the right wing? No, not at all, it made them hate the left even more. Fair enough I guess, we have different ideas.

Did it catch on with Liberals? Well no not then either. Obama hated it, Biden hated it. They felt it made them look really stupid and they had to clarify what it was "supposed to mean" over and over or they just tossed the idea out as fringe.

So how in any way shape or form was it a good catch phrase? Again, firing up your own little bubble does very little in terms of successful actual progress.

Large portions of the public often hate demands for justice that they're not ready for or that implicate them in potentially doing something wrong. Does that mean that the demand shouldn't have been made? Sometimes you have to put something out there and start the process of people moving to where you are. You can't make genuine progress by only stating things people are already comfortable with. There hasn't been a generation of humans yet that wasn't guilty of perpetuating some terrible system, and anyone who recognized that has always been unpopular. At the time. Until their ideas eventually become accepted.

Biden and Obama are not the arbiter of what ideas are good or acceptable. They are individuals with their own particular ideologies and their own specific visions of the party. Obama in particular described himself as a moderate Republican and they represent that specific view of society.

We know that the ideas that the actual ideas MLK Jr. had for a more just society were broadly unpopular and made elected liberals at the time very uncomfortable to be associated with. Does that mean they were wrong? Your argument seems to indicate that.

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legendary_zell
03/07/24 2:31:32 PM
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Let me just ask: do any of you know anyone who is bent out of shape about this who is:

  1. In real life
  2. Is not already a conservative
  3. Is not a twitter clapback progressive hater



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K181
03/07/24 2:32:37 PM
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Nobody likes a sore loser unless you're a republican.

Dumb unforced error.

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FunWithAFryPan
03/07/24 2:36:53 PM
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K181 posted...
Nobody likes a sore loser unless you're a republican.

Dumb unforced error.
Yes, please join me with the rest of the conservatives and lets all talk about how dumb Katie Porter is. What a loser!

Oh dont mind me, Im just here with my buds planning an insurrection with all my other stochastic terrorist friends just in case Donald Trump loses again. Stand down and stand by!

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FunWithAFryPan
03/07/24 2:40:14 PM
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You know, something all us liberals can appreciate is how when conservatives rally behind a slogan, its always really well-intentioned and clearly expresses their political goals. Lets go Brandon! Where we go one we go all! Make America Great Again! Amiright?

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K181
03/07/24 2:41:57 PM
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FunWithAFryPan posted...
Yes, please join me with the rest of the conservatives and lets all talk about how dumb Katie Porter is. What a loser!

Oh dont mind me, Im just here with my buds planning an insurrection with all my other stochastic terrorist friends just in case Donald Trump loses again. Stand down and stand by!

What? I'm saying she made a dumb statement. That's not excusing republicans being a stupid fascist cult.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 2:44:45 PM
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K181 posted...
What? I'm saying she made a dumb statement. That's not excusing republicans being a stupid fascist cult.

Her statement is not dumb. It's the truth.

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aarrgus
03/07/24 2:48:11 PM
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This is a good reason why she is in the House and not the Senate.

Language matters. She's great throwing bombs, she's not great with the subtle art of larger scale politics.

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K181
03/07/24 2:52:02 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...
Her statement is not dumb. It's the truth.

Complaining after a big loss to a fellow member of your party and using charged terminology is dumb. She lost by 700,000 votes, all that whining about the process after that big of a whoopin' just comes off a sour grapes.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 2:53:59 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Rigging doesn't mean unfairly manipulating. It means fixing. The outcome is predetermined.

rig
3 of 3
verb (2)
rigged; rigging
transitive verb
1
: to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means
rig an election

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Board_hunter567
03/07/24 2:54:37 PM
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I give it this time next year until prominent "left" voices on MSNBC and CNN permanently label her as a rabble rouser who didn't do any good and was not representative of the party.
If they catch wind of the far right sneering about her legacy, but agreeing with this one poorly made and emotionally fueled comment, she'll be ousted for spreading doubts on "the sanctity of our democracy and elections" by this Sunday evening.

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Starks
03/07/24 2:56:14 PM
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Even if there wasn't an ad campaign to prop up Garvey, there are enough Republicans in California to force a two-party runoff.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 2:57:39 PM
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K181 posted...
Complaining after a big loss to a fellow member of your party and using charged terminology is dumb. She lost by 700,000 votes, all that whining about the process after that big of a whoopin' just comes off a sour grapes.

She lost because it was rigged. She has every right to complain. Get money out of politics.

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FunWithAFryPan
03/07/24 2:58:38 PM
#123:


K181 posted...
What? I'm saying she made a dumb statement. That's not excusing republicans being a stupid fascist cult.
My point is that your attitude does nothing but help their cause. You dont even see it.

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aarrgus
03/07/24 3:03:50 PM
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You mean the Democrat decided to run against a MAGA Republican? HOW DARE THEY!

Would you have preferred that Schiff go vicious against Porter instead?

Porter was within striking distance polling wise from Garvey and instead she completely wilted. If you want to blame crypto bros and their PAC whatever, but she lost ground to Schiff (which didn't matter) and Garvey (which did matter). The crypto bros didn't cause her collapse vs Garvey.

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Pitbuller_26
03/07/24 3:04:56 PM
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Meanwhile Barbara Lee conceded and congratulated Schiff on his win and she's already helping the Democrat candidate who's running for her seat.
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Torgo
03/07/24 3:05:10 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
https://twitter.com/AriCohn/status/1765759170572140819

What a shit take.

Is this Ari guy a Trump MAGA apologist?

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 3:05:18 PM
#128:


Fuck Adam Schiff

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aarrgus
03/07/24 3:08:21 PM
#129:


CountCorvinus posted...
Fuck Adam Schiff

What a useless fucking post.


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Pitbuller_26
03/07/24 3:08:57 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...
Fuck Adam Schiff

That ire should go to Ms. Porter for running a mess of a campaign and making no friends.

She lost most Black voters in California with her disrespect towards Maxine Waters. Despite what people say online, a lot of CA voters were already wary of her due to Dianne Feinstein's circumstances.

The fact Porter lost her own district is telling.
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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 3:14:56 PM
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Blue MAGA in this thread defending the pro-genocide corporate democrat. What a surprise.

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Doom_Art
03/07/24 3:19:23 PM
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Don't get mad at moderates for winning, get mad at progressives for being shit campaigners and not knowing how to play the game.


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ai123
03/07/24 3:19:24 PM
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Been a while since I saw anyone trying to make Blue MAGA happen.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 3:22:48 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Don't get mad at moderates for winning, get mad at progressives for being shit campaigners and not knowing how to play the game.

Adam Shit donated millions to help the republican win. The "game" fucking sucks. Instead of playing a game, maybe the so-called "Democratic Party", could I dunno.. try being democratic?

ai123 posted...
Been a while since I saw anyone trying to make Blue MAGA happen.

Stop acting like Trump supporters then.

Y'all are literally defending dark money.

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SaikyoStyle
03/07/24 3:25:39 PM
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You should close your account

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hockeybabe89
03/07/24 3:25:54 PM
#137:


CountCorvinus posted...
Blue MAGA in this thread defending the pro-genocide corporate democrat. What a surprise.
You're gonna vote for him anyway.

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legendary_zell
03/07/24 3:27:23 PM
#138:


Doom_Art posted...
Don't get mad at moderates for winning, get mad at progressives for being shit campaigners and not knowing how to play the game.

The game is specifically rigged against progressives and leftists and for people who are more likely to play ball with the people doing the rigging though. A post like this aggressively misses the point. The game itself is the problem because of how its structured and what its meant to do.

It's hard to be a great campaigner when you running at all is presented as anywhere from impudent to traitorous and the media and party apparatus immediately lines up behind your safe opponent. This is not to excuse progressives who genuinely do a bad job as often happens, but lets be real about what's happening here.

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1337toothbrush
03/07/24 3:27:42 PM
#139:


Actually democrats love money in politics because that's how they get rich. Look how angry they get at the idea that our institutions could be described as anything other than perfectly fine.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 3:28:14 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
You're gonna vote for him anyway.

Welcome back hockeybabe. How long are you gonna last this time around? Think you can make it a week?

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ai123
03/07/24 3:30:49 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...
Stop acting like Trump supporters then.

Y'all are literally defending dark money.

I have done no such thing.


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K181
03/07/24 3:32:47 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...
She lost because it was rigged. She has every right to complain. Get money out of politics.

She got less than half the votes of her opponent.

Want money out of politics? Sure, fine. Good luck with that. Until that utopia occurs though, she got wrecked at the polls.

FunWithAFryPan posted...
My point is that your attitude does nothing but help their cause. You dont even see it.

Who is getting their mind swayed by a post on a dead website.

And, again, all I said was that she made a dumb statement. I've made countless posts to that effect about countless different politicians over the years, and all of that has amounted to a big fat goose egg.

Blue ass California voted against her. Get over it.

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Pitbuller_26
03/07/24 3:34:40 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
The game is specifically rigged against progressives and leftists and for people who are more likely to play ball with the people doing the rigging though. A post like this aggressively misses the point. The game itself is the problem because of how its structured and what its meant to do.

It's hard to be a great campaigner when you running at all is presented as anywhere from impudent to traitorous and the media and party apparatus immediately lines up behind your safe opponent. This is not to excuse progressives who genuinely do a bad job as often happens, but lets be real about what's happening here.

So we're just going to ignore that a lot of voters in California just didn't like or trust her based on her own actions we've seen and heard on Capitol Hill?
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Pitbuller_26
03/07/24 3:38:04 PM
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Personally, I believe the answer is both.
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Shadow_Don
03/07/24 3:42:51 PM
#147:


CountCorvinus posted...
Stop acting like Trump supporters then.

They say to people defending Adam Schiff - a politician whose primary claim to fame was going after trumps criminal activity and corruption

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 3:43:08 PM
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ai123 posted...
I have done no such thing.

A bunch of people are. I said "Y'all". If you're not one of the people defending Schiff and saying it's 'all part of the game", then good.

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CountCorvinus
03/07/24 3:43:44 PM
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Shadow_Don posted...
He says to people defending Adam Schiff - a politician whose primary claim to fame was going after trumps criminal activity and corruption

My pronouns are they/them.

Thank you

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