Current Events > Obsure Fact of the Day: Zelda Majora's Mask was the very first Roguelite

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lol we all know it was Ecco the Dolphin

Not the first. But I admit I never thought of it as a roguelite.

I mean, you have to stretch the definition a bit, but it essentially does have some of the core elements.

It's the first, unless you can name otherwise.

Also, I'd like to see devs try to make massive roguelite again. Hades was definitely close, but it would be amazing to see an Elden Ring sized roguelite.

It's also the first Isekai

Majoras mask is just a standard zelda game with the ability to rewind. Its not even close to a rogue lite unless you think something is a rogue lite because you can rewind. You dont restart when you die, and the world is static and unchanging. There arent runs that are different each time you rewind either.

1. Vampire Survivors
2. Death Must Die
3. 20 Minutes till Dawn

uhh. No.

A lot of people are making the argument that a Roguelite needs to have a random map which I disagree:

1. Vampire Survivors
2. Death Must Die
3. 20 Minutes till Dawn
Are all Roguelites but don't have random maps.

Tetris may not have a randomized map, but what keeps it from being a roguelite is its lack of meta progression.

Edit: actually, nvm. The pieces can be viewed as lives and thus you have a progression system. Tetris is a roguelite.

What's your argument? Majora's Mask has a meta progression with hearts/magic guage/powers/equipment upgrades.

What's your argument? Majora's Mask has a meta progression with hearts/magic guage/powers/equipment upgrades.

No randomized aspects of the world.

A lot of people are making the argument that a Roguelite needs to have a random map which I disagree:

1. Vampire Survivors
2. Death Must Die
3. 20 Minutes till Dawn
Are all Roguelites but don't have random maps.

The game's sequence of events is entirely predetermined on each loop. You literally get a logbook where the schedule for those events is recorded. The most basic prerequisite for the genre is randomness as a core mechanic.

You dont restart when you die, and the world is static and unchanging.

You dont restart when you die, and the world is static and unchanging. There arent runs that are different each time you rewind either.

Not sure if you played the game before, but you literally restart right from the beginning after you die and exhaust all your hearts and bottled fairies or run out of time.

Also there are randomized elements including Archery, bombchu racing, mailman routes, and there's a randomized part in the Wedding Mask quest.

Not sure if you played the game before, but you literally restart right from the beginning after you die and exhaust all your hearts and bottled fairies or run out of time.

Not random maps but randomness.

have you heard of this game called super mario bros? You restart right from the beginning when you run out of lives and get a game over

Hence, Bubble Bobble was the first roguelite

Dying in Majoras mask is not restarting from the beginning. Youre just naming normal video game concepts like progress and restarting after you die. These arent used the way they are in a rogue lite. Mini games also dont make a game a rogue lite.

A roguelite is a roguelike with incremental progression between runs. Majoras Mask has no roguelike elements, in fact the whole point of the game is that every loop is the exact same

A roguelite is a roguelike with incremental progression between runs.

any of these games have meta-progression? Not that I'm aware of.

Bruh, each day/loop is wildly different. In fact MM, goes beyond with unlocking different biomes and even a horse. No rougelite has ever taken it that far... not even Hades.

Imagine a rougelite with an Elden Ring sized world again. The indie devs should continue what they do with the genre, but it would be awesome to see a truly massive rougelite again.

Lmao you tried too hard with this one

Nope, each dawn of a new day is a new roguelite loop.