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Torgo
02/29/24 6:36:07 PM
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My god this woman has jumped the shark...

I click on TYT after not having watched it in a while, already somewhat annoyed at Cenk and even moreso at Ana... and what am I treated to?

Ana making a "both sides" argument where she compares Trump's election interference and republican voter suppression with the democratic party primary issues.

Well, I know she is a smart woman, so I have to assume it's either dishonesty or encroaching right wing brain rot that made her conveniently forget that inter-party political primaries are not subject to the same laws as general elections, they are fundamentally so different in that a political party can do what they want so long as it complies with other areas of the law like financing of candidates and who gets on the ballot.

I could see her making the argument that having the process be like it is might hurt the democrats, and it absolutely does impede progressive candidates - but that's not her argument. She was doing "whataboutism" comparing an insurrection after months of deliberate election misinformation and a conspiracy to send fraudulent electors to install Trump back into power with shitty party primary policy.

Not even the same fucking ballpark.

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Nok_Su_Kow
02/29/24 6:38:31 PM
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What are the issues with the democratic party primaries? Seems to me like democracy working as expected.
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haloiscoolisbak
02/29/24 6:39:17 PM
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She got into a controversy over the term "birthing person" and for some reason decided to lean more right on every single issue, whether economic and social

Could these youtubers try to make it less obvious it's all a grift? Lol

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SunburnCostanza
02/29/24 6:42:17 PM
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Fame and money erodes credibility and integrity over and over. We should make a list at some point, starting with those two Weinstein brothers that lost their minds. Jordan Peterson too

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mystic_belmont
02/29/24 6:43:47 PM
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It's easier to make money as a right leaning commentator.

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Torgo
02/29/24 6:44:47 PM
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Nok_Su_Kow posted...
What are the issues with the democratic party primaries? Seems to me like democracy working as expected.

The thing she pretended not to understand was that political parties are essentially private entities. Just like your neighborhood hair salon or hardware store has laws and regulations regarding who they can hire, serve,... so do political parties. However, they are still private businesses and still get to decide the hiring process and ultimately the individual hire. Whatever business you work for could make it official tomorrow that all new hires or promotions will be done through direct democracy, one associate one vote.... there's nothing preventing that. (again so long as they observe all the other standard laws that we as a society have in place)

I can start a new political party right now, and then decide we pick candidates by my whim, drawing names from a hat, or through a rigorous voting process... it's not an election to office.

This is completely different from the general election, which is tightly regulated and the voting and election process is clearly and legally mapped out.

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SecretBase
02/29/24 6:45:48 PM
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I watched an hour's worth of her tearing down corporate Democrats yesterday. Very soothing.

Torgo posted...
Ana making a "both sides" argument where she compares Trump's election interference and republican voter suppression with the democratic party primary issues.

They shouldn't be compared. Only one of them actually works.

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creativerealms
02/29/24 6:46:09 PM
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She drank the TERF cool aid

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Heineken14
02/29/24 6:51:51 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
She got into a controversy over the term "birthing person" and for some reason decided to lean more right on every single issue, whether economic and social

Could these youtubers try to make it less obvious it's all a grift? Lol

That seems to be the villain origin story for a lot of people. They flip their shit on 1 thing and get called in it and then slowly descend into "this is what you made me do" madness.

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SecretBase
02/29/24 6:52:33 PM
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Heineken14 posted...


That seems to be the villain origin story for a lot of people. They flip their shit on 1 thing and get called in it and then slowly descend into "this is what you made me do" madness.

Maybe people should remain civil.

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CSCA33
02/29/24 7:01:25 PM
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creativerealms posted...
She drank the TERF cool aid
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mercurydude
02/29/24 7:03:48 PM
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The last I heard of her, she was walking in the footsteps of Dave Rubin. He used to be her colleague, then her nemesis, now I guess she wants in on the same grift.

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C_Pain
02/29/24 7:04:37 PM
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Because the right are clearly already established as cartoon villains. The democrats represent some modicum of hope for us, so we can discuss their shortcomings and areas to improve on.

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CSCA33
02/29/24 7:04:58 PM
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SecretBase posted...
Maybe people should remain civil.

And this is what your kind was saying during the civil rights era too

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Torgo
02/29/24 7:08:31 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
That seems to be the villain origin story for a lot of people. They flip their shit on 1 thing and get called in it and then slowly descend into "this is what you made me do" madness.

True enough. It's revealing though.

Every one has called or been called something that might be a bit much in terms of politics. In the company of a typical American conservative, they would say I'm an open borders communist when I am neither for open borders or communist.

I didn't go ballistic and be like:

"Oh yeah! Well now I want open borders, and now I don't think heavily regulated capitalism with single payer healthcare and most utilities being publicly owned and operated goes nearly far enough! Now I want full state ownership of all industry - look what you made me do!!!"

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SunburnCostanza
02/29/24 7:13:51 PM
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SecretBase posted...
Maybe people should remain civil.

They should but if you're going to be platformed as a "voice" in politics, your ideas and stances should come from deliberation, not how one side hurt your feefees.

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ClayGuida
02/29/24 7:15:55 PM
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This is why I don't watch or listen to these random Youtube people. If they were worth a shit, a real network would be paying for their insights, not Adsense, Google, or whatever else.

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Kradek
02/29/24 7:17:06 PM
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The party's political apparatus has always rallied behind the incumbent President.

I feel like people's irrational hatred for Biden (mostly, it's justified over us supporting Israel as we have) has made them forget that is how it always is.

They clearly wanted the DNC to endorse & support not-Biden, so they say it's a fake, rigged, or unfair primary, however it's been this way during all of our lifetimes.

The party stands behind the incumbent if they run for reelection.

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Torgo
02/29/24 7:24:12 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
This is why I don't watch or listen to these random Youtube people. If they were worth a shit, a real network would be paying for their insights, not Adsense, Google, or whatever else.

Oh this is a HUGE mistake.

Guess what determines if a major legacy media figure gets to speak their piece on television or any broadcast format?

  • Do they agree with the politics of the political establishment
  • Will they reliably play cheerleader for American military imperialism
  • Do they agree to approach every issue as a "both sides" frame
  • They must never speak ill of the parent corporation, executives, or advertisers


That's just mainstream "normal" corporate media like CNN.. for Fox News it's garbage lying propaganda 24/7 with no concern for journalism or facts.

Honestly, how dare you try and claim establishment legacy media is superior in any way at this point.


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Torgo
02/29/24 7:24:54 PM
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Kradek posted...
The party's political apparatus has always rallied behind the incumbent President.

Right!

I didn't even get into this other reason why her whinging is so dishonest and/or dumb.

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ClayGuida
02/29/24 7:25:42 PM
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Torgo posted...
Oh this is a HUGE mistake.

Guess what determines if a major legacy media figure gets to speak their piece on television or any broadcast format?

* Do they agree with the politics of the political establishment
* Will they reliably play cheerleader for American military imperialism
* Do they agree to approach every issue as a "both sides" frame
* They must never speak ill of the parent corporation, executives, or advertisers

That's just mainstream "normal" corporate media like CNN.. for Fox News it's garbage lying propaganda 24/7 with no concern for journalism or facts.

Honestly, how dare you try and claim establishment legacy media is superior in any way at this point.
Don't get your news from Youtube. It's that simple.

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CSCA33
02/29/24 7:30:45 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Don't get your news from Youtube. It's that simple.
As always, it depends on the quality of the source, their expertise, authority, etc. Do your research and consume accordingly.

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xGhostchantx
02/29/24 7:31:41 PM
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The fact you can't levy justifiable criticism at your chosen side without being assaulted with "OMG BOTH SIDES" on the internet nowadays is sad. Grow the fuck up. No body and no party is perfect and if you think they deserve to be called out on something, call them out.

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Torgo
02/29/24 7:39:28 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Don't get your news from Youtube. It's that simple.

There are people on Youtube with a far better grasp of anything you see on broadcast news.

The Majority Report for example, have provided better coverage from experts that they allow to talk and have actual interviews with - as opposed to a two and a half shouting session between talking heads where a Nazi election denier that works for a think tank is given the same weight as an actual journalist or academic specialist.

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ClayGuida
02/29/24 7:40:27 PM
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Insight into what? It's all opinion shit. Youtube doesn't break news. Real news breaks news.

This is like getting your sports information from Colin Cowherd or Jim Rome.

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CSCA33
02/29/24 7:43:00 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Insight into what? It's all opinion shit. Youtube doesn't break news. Real news breaks news.

This is like getting your sports information from Colin Cowherd or Jim Rome.
YouTube is a platform for others to use, it doesnt create the content hosted there.

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ClayGuida
02/29/24 7:45:13 PM
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CSCA33 posted...
YouTube is a platform for others to use, it doesnt create the content hosted there.
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CSCA33
02/29/24 7:46:04 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
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This includes live streams from major news broadcasters that break real news as it happens btw

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ClayGuida
02/29/24 7:55:46 PM
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CSCA33 posted...
This includes live streams from major news broadcasters that break real news as it happens btw
Those aren't by youtube personalities.

By all means, consume opinion after opinion of randoms

I'll just leave you with this, don't get your news from youtube. It's not a source for news.

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ButteryMales
02/29/24 8:00:57 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Those aren't by youtube personalities.

By all means, consume opinion after opinion of randoms

I'll just leave you with this, don't get your news from youtube. It's not a source for news.
You're just so scared of Trump that you don't like that independent news will call a genocide a genocide and say how Joe Biden is complicit in a genocide.
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ClayGuida
02/29/24 8:04:00 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
You're just so scared of Trump that you don't like that independent news will call a genocide a genocide and say how Joe Biden is complicit in a genocide.
lmfao, full MAGA.

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CSCA33
02/29/24 8:22:59 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Those aren't by youtube personalities.

By all means, consume opinion after opinion of randoms

I'll just leave you with this, don't get your news from youtube. It's not a source for news.
You might as well say dont get your news from the TV, use the paper. YouTube is host to practically the full spectrum of any kind of content, including news orgs with low or no trustworthiness like FOX. Opinion pieces are just that and not presenting as news reports. Content creator personalities will also have audio podcasts, blogs, websites, Twitter, instagram, Facebook, etc. just like all the other organizations or public facing figures and organizations.

This isnt a dont go to YouTube deal, its about understanding the source of the information, what is their expertise, are they authoritative, trustworthy, etc.

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ButteryMales
02/29/24 8:44:34 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
lmfao, full MAGA.
I'm not the only one arguing for independent media. If it's because I talked about the genocide, what do you consider Jon Stewart to be?
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metralo
02/29/24 8:46:33 PM
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mystic_belmont posted...
It's easier to make money as a right leaning commentator.

This essentially. I'm not lying when anyone could make a career as a right wing grifter if they wanted to. It is painfully easy to just say things the right likes and they will funnel money into you. They are very. very stupid.

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metralo
02/29/24 8:47:44 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
what do you consider Jon Stewart to be?
another insanely rich person who is completely fine with Trump being a dictator because who cares, he's rich and white

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C_Pain
02/29/24 8:49:25 PM
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metralo posted...
This essentially. I'm not lying when anyone could make a career as a right wing grifter if they wanted to. It is painfully easy to just say things the right likes and they will funnel money into you. They are very. very stupid.
Do you think one should feel bad doing a right wing grift? The audience was gonna think that anyway. Get that bag.

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creativerealms
02/29/24 8:56:43 PM
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metralo posted...
another insanely rich person who is completely fine with Trump being a dictator because who cares, he's rich and white
Lolol no Jon Stewart is a corporate democrat. He would far prefer Biden over Trump. He's willing to criticize Biden but he's still made it clear that he supports Biden.

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ButteryMales
02/29/24 9:00:01 PM
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metralo posted...
another insanely rich person who is completely fine with Trump being a dictator because who cares, he's rich and white
There's plenty of evidence that rich Jews weren't fine under fascism. Stewart is just not afraid of Trump.
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itcheyness
02/29/24 9:07:45 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Those aren't by youtube personalities.

By all means, consume opinion after opinion of randoms

I'll just leave you with this, don't get your news from youtube. It's not a source for news.
The vast majority of "news" on the major networks is just the opinion of randoms though?

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Torgo
03/01/24 9:50:19 AM
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itcheyness posted...
The vast majority of "news" on the major networks is just the opinion of randoms though?

So much of it is.

Most of the major legacy/corporate news has slashed their journalism budget, fired the real journalists, and rely on the same wire services for much of their content now, not too different from what independent media "on Youtube" do...

And then so much of the cable news cycle is talking heads with clear partisan agendas spouting opinion in short segments that are defined by shouting each other down noisily.

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ScazarMeltex
03/01/24 9:52:38 AM
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SecretBase posted...
Maybe people should remain civil.
I have obligation to be civil to fascists or people who carry water for them.

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